A thread we can all agree on!
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So let me get this straight...the book of Jude quotes Enoch and states that he prophesied right? Controversial or not is irrelevant as the quote is there.....and Enoch said it.......
I will say this.....I have read both the book of Enoch and Jasher and will say two things...
1. I did not find anything that contradicted the bible
2. I highlighted things in the book of Enoch that were beyond the scope of men to know without being inspired and or instructed by a higher intelligence.....
Either way....I don't teach out of them, but a quote by Jude cannot be ignored and or rejected based upon the inspiration of the scriptures.......!
I will say this.....I have read both the book of Enoch and Jasher and will say two things...
1. I did not find anything that contradicted the bible
2. I highlighted things in the book of Enoch that were beyond the scope of men to know without being inspired and or instructed by a higher intelligence.....
Either way....I don't teach out of them, but a quote by Jude cannot be ignored and or rejected based upon the inspiration of the scriptures.......!
Therefore being justified by FAITH, we have peace with GOD through our Lord Jesus Christ: By who also we have ACCESS by FAITH into this GRACE wherein we STAND, and rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.
1. We have been rendered legally INNOCENT by faith<--justified
2. Because of being justified by faith we are at peace with GOD<--NO condemnation to those in Christ
3. The two above are based upon being in Christ and (dia) through Our LORD JESUS Christ
4. Because of this we have ACCESS to the position of GRACE where we stand (because of JESUS and FAITH)
5. Because of this we rejoice in the anticipation of the worship, praise and glory of GOD!
1. We have been rendered legally INNOCENT by faith<--justified
2. Because of being justified by faith we are at peace with GOD<--NO condemnation to those in Christ
3. The two above are based upon being in Christ and (dia) through Our LORD JESUS Christ
4. Because of this we have ACCESS to the position of GRACE where we stand (because of JESUS and FAITH)
5. Because of this we rejoice in the anticipation of the worship, praise and glory of GOD!
The just shall live by faith and in Habakkuk the Just shall live by his faith....
Paul clearly taught that the life he now lives he lives by the FAITH OF the SON of GOD, He also taught that our justification is based upon the FAITH OF JESUS Christ....
Most miss the word....(OF) which can be translated OF or FROM and both indicate SOURCE......
Our salvation, justification, sanctification is based upon the FAITH OF JESUS and in Ephesians 2 it states, that NOT of YOURSELVES and that statement is directed at the FAITH which saves us...It is the FAITH of the SON of GOD which saves us, seals us, justifies us, sanctifies us..............
Paul clearly taught that the life he now lives he lives by the FAITH OF the SON of GOD, He also taught that our justification is based upon the FAITH OF JESUS Christ....
Most miss the word....(OF) which can be translated OF or FROM and both indicate SOURCE......
Our salvation, justification, sanctification is based upon the FAITH OF JESUS and in Ephesians 2 it states, that NOT of YOURSELVES and that statement is directed at the FAITH which saves us...It is the FAITH of the SON of GOD which saves us, seals us, justifies us, sanctifies us..............
Hebrews 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed. "
Hebrews 3:16-19, "For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey?So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."
Hebrews 3:16-19, "For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey?So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."
more precisely, there are a couple of 'modern' versions of 'the book of Enoch' that scholarship has shown were not at all written by Enoch, but much later, and scholarship has also indicated that an actual 'book of Enoch' existed, but to date no one has ever found an existing copy of that book.
but this is a thread about things none of us argue over... so i'll just say ...
Enoch walked faithfully with God
but this is a thread about things none of us argue over... so i'll just say ...
Enoch walked faithfully with God