Why do Atheists Bother?

[Timeline]

I have no problem with Kerry calling me out on anything. I have no problems with him being opposed to my stance on the existence of god etc.

What I do have a problem with though is some of the outright nonsense he talks.

Atheists sit by and don't care about kids getting killed?

My mouth just drops wide open with some of the tripe he comes out with.

I believe he was referring to Abortion...but this is a problem among "Christians" as well. Though I do not believe that a true Christian would kill their unborn child.


And just in case Percepi is watching, I am not saying that ALL atheists abort their unborn babies.

 

[hannahbeth1124]

No Kerry, Hannahbeth said nothing about the Great War. She asked about your wife, in reference to your earlier comment about rape. What you do is constantly change the subject to avoid having to answer pointed questions. Do you ever directly answer any questions relating to the wild comments you make?

Cycel... I'm gonna call you Spock from now on. He's your avatar, and we seem to agree on using logic in situations like this.. lol. Kerry, I pray peace over your mind and heart. You sound as if you may be angry and confused.

 

[Leannaix]

No Kerry, Hannahbeth said nothing about the Great War. She asked about your wife, in reference to your earlier comment about rape. What you do is constantly change the subject to avoid having to answer pointed questions. Do you ever directly answer any questions relating to the wild comments you make?

Maybe Kerry is secretly an atheist trying to make christian views look ridiculous. It's starting to seem likely. Too bad he can't get any other christians to agree.

 

[Human]

Why am I not speaking German right now? Because we fought and I speak english the language that my fathers spoke and fought against a man that killed 6 million Jews. What are y'all thinking, is this the young generation of thinking. Just lay back and let God take care of it. My goodness, get a back bone and stand for what is right.

Right and wrong don't cut it. Is it right to kill a man? No. Is it right to sit back while Hitler kills millions? No. There's no pretty black or white moral absolute in that situation. In the real world, black and white absolutes don't cut it. It's very easy to make assumptions about the merits of fighting on the back of what public school history teaches, but then think about the way that, for instance, war crimes committed on all fronts by all factions during World War Two are largely untaught (except for the German war crimes). I think that speaks volumes about the tendency of humanity to pin blame and think in black and white terms when situations aren't actually ever black and white. Was it right for hundreds of thousands of German women to be raped and beaten by Allied and Russian soldiers after the war ended? Of course it wasn't, but nobody talks about that.

All isn't as simple as you seem to think. Morality is relative, and all moral decisions' values exist on a continuum of ethical merit, not on a binary right and wrong. How can they? To use your example, it was neither right to let Hitler continue killing, but nor is it inherently right to kill another human being to stop him. One is simply deemed to have more ethical merit than the other; it doesn't make either outcome absolutely moral.

 

[Brainfreeze]

All isn't as simple as you seem to think. Morality is relative, and all moral decisions' values exist on a continuum of ethical merit, not on a binary right and wrong. How can they? To use your example, it was neither right to let Hitler continue killing, but nor is it inherently right to kill another human being to stop him. One is simply deemed to have more ethical merit than the other; it doesn't make either outcome absolutely moral.

Yes it does, if YAH is with the righteous, he has the moral high ground... Like David and the Goliath .. David had good reason to kill the Goliath .. The Goliath didn't have good reason or intention... Goliaths just kill and rape, they don't care who or why, David on the other hand killed in righteousness.. Stopping the bad, protecting his city, he had the moral high ground with YAH behind him.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes it does, if YAH is with the righteous, he has the moral high ground... Like David and the Goliath .. David had good reason to kill the Goliath .. The Goliath didn't have good reason or intention... Goliaths just kill and rape, they don't care who or why, David on the other hand killed in righteousness.. Stopping the bad, protecting his city, he had the moral high ground with YAH behind him.

Goliath was.... different

Numbers 13:33

King James Bible
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


New American Standard Bible
"There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."


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[TD="class: translit"]han-nə-p̄î-lîm
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[TD="class: hebrew2"]הַנְּפִילִ֛ים[/TD]
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5303. Nephilim

Nephilim: "giants," name of two peoples, one before the flood and one after the flood
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Original Word: נְפִילִים
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: Nephilim
Phonetic Spelling: (nef-eel')
Short Definition: Nephilim

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[Brainfreeze]

Goliath was.... different

The point is still the same... evil and Good

 

[Atwood]

Some of them appear to enjoy bothering Christians.

 

[Hizikyah]

The point is still the same... evil and Good

I agree 100% I was tying to support what you were saying.

He was very evil.

 

[Brainfreeze]

I agree 100% I was tying to support what you were saying.

He was very evil.

I apologize brother, I thought you meant he was different because his father was of false spirits and satan.. All evil is from their father satan, how do we know their of for sure evil, just that, their willing to lose their lives and give all effort for evil without conscience. yeah, we're on the same page,

 

[Cycel]

Cycel... I'm gonna call you Spock from now on. He's your avatar, and we seem to agree on using logic in situations like this.. lol.

Hi Hannabeth, I had a little chuckle over this. Spock functioned as my role model in high school. At the time he seemed more impervious than I to the vicissitudes of the the teen years. That was a plus, and in addition, I appreciated the appeal to logic rather than emotion.

 

[Marian29]

So here we go again.Whether you celebrate Christmas or you dont this sign is ridiculous...


What do kids want for Christmas? To skip church, atheist group says in billboard campaign | Fox 59

Atheists don't bother christians, christians bother atheists. The Light and the Mercy will be always bigger than the Shadows and stupidity.

Mc 5:7 "And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not."

Ps.: There's also a difference from Atheist and Idle.

 

[Dan_473]

[Since Hitler's been mentioned...]

Who's to say that Hitler was wrong? He had a logic: Every people group has a homeland. Take away the homeland, and the group loses its identity. Except Jews and Gypsies... no homeland, yet they keep an identity. Therefore, they aren't human, even though they look human. They're only pretending. Since they're deceiving, they're probably up to no good. So, humanity is better off without them.

Even if there is a flaw in the reasoning, on what basis can we judge another person's sincerely held beliefs?

 

[Cycel]

[Since Hitler's been mentioned...]

Who's to say that Hitler was wrong?

... Even if there is a flaw in the reasoning, on what basis can we judge another person's sincerely held beliefs?

If their beliefs translate into conduct that is harmful to others we can certainly judge them wrong. Check out the recent book by one of the leading new atheists, Sam Harris. In The Moral Landscape Harris explains how science might move toward answering questions about what is right and wrong.

 

[Brainfreeze]

[Since Hitler's been mentioned...]

Who's to say that Hitler was wrong? He had a logic: ?

Yea, his logic was turn everyone into what he wanted to be... I'd say that's wrong!! Killing people surely didn't help his cause either, but like everything satan is up to, he did stand for some good but mostly evil.. He deserved exactly what he got and those who follow will as well..
Nazi eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Brainfreeze]

I apologize brother, I thought you meant he was different because his father was of false spirits and satan.. All evil is from their father satan, how do we know their of for sure evil, just that, their willing to lose their lives and give all effort for evil without conscience. yeah, we're on the same page,

Correction I meant with conscience. " made their choice " knows what their doing.. There's a lot of folks doing evil conscienceless .. Sad if they die doing wicked without conscience.. but it happens everyday..

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

Why am I not speaking German right now?

I'm going to take a stab in the dark in saying it's because you don't know how to.

Because we fought and I speak english the language that my fathers spoke and fought against a man that killed 6 million Jews.

Before we go blanket condemning Germany for their atrocities committed nearly 100 years ago, perhaps you should be aware that the U.S inspired the eugenics programs in Nazi Germany. As Human said, 'black and white' moral absolutes are rather relative.

Spock functioned as my role model in high school. At the time he seemed more impervious than I to the vicissitudes of the the teen years. That was a plus, and in addition, I appreciated the appeal to logic rather than emotion.

Also: he gave Khan (Benedict Cumberbatch) quite a respectable whooping.

Who's to say that Hitler was wrong?

 

[Human]

Yes it does, if YAH is with the righteous, he has the moral high ground... Like David and the Goliath .. David had good reason to kill the Goliath .. The Goliath didn't have good reason or intention... Goliaths just kill and rape, they don't care who or why, David on the other hand killed in righteousness.. Stopping the bad, protecting his city, he had the moral high ground with YAH behind him.

You're using one apparently biblically objective moral decision reportedly commanded by God to say another completely unrelated occurrence is morally objective. That's not really honest. I dont remember God telling the Allies and Russians to rape lots of German women, nor do I recall the bible passage that says Hitler is a Goliath. While what Hitler did was wrong (killing millions of innocents), the retribution given him and the German people at large wasn't entirely so honourable as you seem to think.

 

[Dan_473]

If their beliefs translate into conduct that is harmful to others we can certainly judge them wrong. Check out the recent book by one of the leading new atheists, Sam Harris. In The Moral Landscape Harris explains how science might move toward answering questions about what is right and wrong.

Well, who decided that what is harmful to others is wrong?

Can you summarize Harris' views about how science might answer questions of right and wrong? I think that would be an interesting discussion.

 

[Dan_473]

Yea, his logic was turn everyone into what he wanted to be... I'd say that's wrong!! Killing people surely didn't help his cause either, but like everything satan is up to, he did stand for some good but mostly evil.. He deserved exactly what he got and those who follow will as well..

Yes, if we use a Biblical Christianity as a framework, then we can find things that say Hitler was wrong. And, we have a Moral Judge who puts everything right in the end.

I'd say that's wrong!!

Yes, different opinions... and if we look at this from an atheist standpoint, I would think everyone's opinion would be equally valid.