THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Mark 7:18 "Are you so dull?" he asked.

That He did ask, you know why... THE PEOPLE WERE "CAUGHT UP", "RAPTURED" IN TRADITION...

7 But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men!

9 Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!

Because Messiah say: "nothing from outside a man, that entering into him can defile him" many that want to reject Yahweh;s food Laws say see I can eat! But when did context of Scripture not matter? In context the entire passage is about eating with "unwashed--hands."
Did Peter wait on the Spirit to understand the meaning? Do we look at context?Can we completely remove it from its context and expect to get the true meaning? Also if you consider verse 17, "His disciples asked Him about the parable," yet "all things are clean food" is taught as doctrine, not as parable........Again in context verse 17, parable. SO Messiah proceeds to explain further:

18 He said to them; Are you also without understanding? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him,

19 Because it does not enter into his heart; mind, but his stomach, and then into the toilet as all food is eliminated?

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Now this is where the deception comes in, as you see I have shown verse 19 translated 2 different ways. Which one is correct? The second translation is the much more common translation, here is a short list of translations that match the second translation (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean): New International Version, New Living Translation, English Standard Version, New American Standard Bible, Holman Christian Standard Bible, NET Bible, GOD'S WORD Translation, English Revised Version, Weymouth New Testament.

We will look at the original language, but first I want to mention again, CONTEXT, can we somehow go from the whole topic being about a hand washing ritual and unclean animals not even being in the discussion to unclean animals are now food?

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The first thing you will notice is the words, "In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean," are completely absent. Before moving on, I want to ask, why did someone feel the need to forge words into the text that are not there. Is it ok to just add words wherever I want? Of course not.

19 Because it does not enter into his heart but his stomach, and then into the toilet (856) as all food is cleansed out (2511)?

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

856 - aphedrón
aphedrón: a place of sitting apart, i.e. a privy, drain
Original Word: ἀφεδρών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aphedrón
Phonetic Spelling: (af-ed-rone')
Short Definition: a drain, latrine
Definition: a drain, latrine
Word Origin - from apo and hedraios
Definition - a place of sitting apart, i.e. a privy, drain

2511 - katharizó
katharizó: to cleanse
Original Word: καθαρίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katharizó
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-ar-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I make clean
Definition: I cleanse, make clean, literally, ceremonially, or spiritually, according to context.
Word Origin - from katharos
Definition - to cleanse

20 Then He said: That which comes out of the man, that defiles the man;

21 For from within--out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, lust, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness--

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."

No this is not about pork, it is about the pharisee making a show they are holy with their appearances, but Messiah is saying evil is that which should be guarded against.

This exact same account is also detailed in Mattithyah 15, and this is also shown there:

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Mattithyah 15:17, "Do you not yet understand that whatever enters in at the mouth goes into the stomach, and then is cast out in elimination?"

But is we keep readin we see the meaning of the PARABLE:

Mark 7:17, " But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable."

Mattithyah 15:15, "But Kepha spoke, and said to Him; Explain this parable to us."

Kepha is Peter, so if all foods were cleansed why did Kepha years later still not eat unclean food?

Acts 10:14, "But Kepha said; By no means, Ruler, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."

Because Mark 7 & and Matt 15 were not about food but a pharisee hand washing ritual as the parable is explained here same event, but the full explanation was not given, as Matt was His disciple and there with Him when it happened:

Mattithyah 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

As Acts 10 was not about food either:

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

So in Mattithyah the parable is fully explained, yet in Mark it is not, is it possibe that is why those false words were added to Mark 7:19? If they were added to Mattithyah 15, it would have been a contradiction, but Mark having not being fully explained, it left the door open.

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Mk 17 But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable.

Mt 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

Brainfreeze · Dec 24, 2014

That was written at the end of the scripture.. (Like this) showing it wasn't part of scripture.. and your freaking out..

Ok, I don't see don't eat this bird or don't eat pork here.. Exactly it's says what goes in can't defile because it doesn't go to the heart but the stomach .. So why are you going on and on about unclean in size six letters when I thought I was pretty respectful when asking you to stop..?

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
King James Bible

1 Timothy 4:3, "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."

Genesis 7:1-2, "Then Yahweh said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"

The Creator Created this, demons did not create this:

Lev 11"And Yahweh spoke..; These are the animals you may eat among all the beasts upon the land" "You shall not make yourselves abominable with any creature that moves about on the ground. Do not defile yourselves by means of them, nor be made unclean by them. I am Yahweh your Heavenly Father. You shall therefore consecrate and sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creature that moves about on the ground." "This is the Law of the animals, and the birds, and every living thing that moves in the waters, and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean--between the animal that may be eaten, and the animal that may not be eaten."

Isayah:16 For by fire and by His sword will Yahweh plead with all flesh; and the slain of Yahweh will be many. 17 They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the priest (ONE in the center) in the midst of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh. For I know their works and their thoughts. It will come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they will come and see My glory.

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the KJv. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.

God created to be received with thanksgiving
You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean
You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean--between the animal that may be eaten, and the animal that may not be eaten
God created to be received with thanksgiving

Are There Deadly Superbugs in Your Pork?
Are There Deadly Superbugs in Your Pork?

The Unsavory Side of Pork

The pork and swine industry has been continually plagued, and continues to be so to this day, by a wide variety of hazardous and deadly infections and diseases, including:

PRRS -- A horrendous disease, which I first reported on in 2001, but which had been a nightmare for many nations since the mid-1980s, is still alive and kicking today.

At one point referred to as "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," the disease was finally named "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome” (PRRS), and may afflict about 75 percent of American pig herds.

The PRRS virus primarily attacks the pig’s immune system, leaving its body open to a host of infections, particularly in the lungs. Initial research revealed that the virus was transmitted via semen, saliva and blood, leaving pigs herded closely together and transported in close quarters by trucks more susceptible to infection.

However, according to new research presented at the 2007 International PRRS Symposium shows that the disease is now airborne, making eradication efforts very difficult. According to the PRRS Coordinated Agricultural Project (CAP) and the National Pork Board, it is still the most economically significant disease of swine in the U.S.

The Nipah Virus – Discovered in 1999, the Nipah virus has caused disease in both animals and humans, through contact with infected animals. In humans, the virus can lead to deadly encephalitis (an acute inflammation of your brain). I originally reported on this virus in 2000, but according to CDC data, the Nipah virus reemerged again in 2004.

Hepatitis E (HEV) – According to the Mayo Clinic and an article in the Journal of Clinical Biology, pork may be the reservoir responsible for sporadic, locally acquired cases of acute hepatitis reported in regions with relatively mild climates as HEV has been found to transmit between swine and humans.

Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus (PERV) – According to a study in the journal Lancet, this virus can spread to people receiving pig organ transplants, and according to test tube studies, PERV strains does have the ability to infect human cells. PERV genes are scattered throughout pigs' genetic material, and researchers have found that pig heart, spleen and kidney cells release various strains of the virus.

Menangle Virus – In 1998, the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases reported that a new virus infecting pigs was able to jump to humans. The menangle virus was discovered in August 1997 when sows at an Australian piggery began giving birth to deformed and mummified piglets.

Trichinosis
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine, 3rd ed. | 2006 | Carson-DeWitt, Rosalyn | Copyright
Definition:Trichinosis is a disease caused by a roundworm (nematode) called Trichinella spiralis. An individual worm of this species is called a trichina, from the Greek word meaning "hairlike." Trichinae can be readily avoided by proper handling and cooking of certain meats, particularly pork products.
Description

The life cycle of T. spiralis includes several different stages. The adult trichina lives in the intestinal lining of such meat-eating animals as swine, bears, walrus, and rodents. After mating, the male worm dies while the female goes on to produce the offspring.

Roundworms have a stage of development called the embryonic stage, which in many species occurs after birth. In trichinae, however, this embryonic stage occurs within the uterus of the female, so the offspring that are ultimately discharged into the host's intestinal lining are in the larval second stage of life. These larvae—about 1500 from each female worm—travel through the circulatory system to the heart, then through the blood vessels leading to striated muscle (the muscle of the skeletal system and the heart). Most larvae that cannot find suitable locations in striated muscle will die.

Those larvae that reach striated muscle will grow to a length of about one millimeter, coil themselves, and enclose themselves within a protective wall called a cyst. This process is referred to as encysting. The worms in the cysts can live for up to ten years in this form.

A pig that has been infected with T. spiralis, then, has thousands of cysts lying dormant within its muscles—the very muscles that humans look forward to consuming in the form of pork chops, ham, barbecued ribs, etc. When humans sit down to a delicious meal of undercooked, trichina-infected pig dinner, they are ingesting T. spiralis cysts. The cyst walls are broken down by the usual process of food digestion in the stomach, allowing the larvae to escape into the new host's intestines. There the larvae mature to become adult worms, capable of producing a new crop of larvae. When these new larvae hatch, they begin their migration throughout the human host's bloodstream to his or her muscles, where they live for a short while before encysting.
Causes and symptoms

Human hosts who eat meat infested with trichinae may experience symptoms in varying degrees. If the meat ingested has only a few cysts, then the human host's load of parasites (worm burden) is said to be relatively small, and symptoms will be moderate. In fact, many trichinosis infections are subclinical, which means that the symptoms are so mild that the infection remains undiagnosed. In a host with a greater worm burden, the initial symptoms will be caused by the presence of the adult worms in the intestine. These symptoms usually include fever, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and perhaps vomiting. The symptoms begin about one to two days after eating the contaminated meat, and may last for a week or so.

When the larvae begin their migration through the blood vessels, the host will begin to experience symptoms that affect the whole body (systemic symptoms), such as fever; swelling of the face and the area around the eyes; rash; bleeding into the nail beds, retina, and whites of the eyes; and cough. In very severe cases of trichinosis, inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis ), lungs (pneumonitis), or brain (encephalitis) may occur. These symptoms can lead to the few deaths caused by trichinosis.

The larvae begin to burrow into the host's muscles and form cysts within two to three weeks of the initial infection. This encysting produces signs of muscle inflammation (myositis) including swelling of the affected muscle groups, pain, and weakness. The most frequently affected muscles are the muscles outside the eye (extraocular muscles) that control eye movements; the muscles of the jaw, neck, and upper arm (biceps muscle); the muscles of the lower back (lumbar region); and the diaphragm, which is the muscle that separates the abdominal and chest cavities and aids in breathing.

The symptoms of trichinosis are at their most severe at about three weeks after infection, and decrease very slowly in their severity. Recovery is extremely gradual, and symptoms may last for as long as three months. Fatigue and muscle pain (myalgia) may take several more months to subside.
Diagnosis

An initial diagnosis of trichinosis relies heavily on the presence of its classic symptoms—swelling around the eyes, muscle inflammation, fever, and high levels of a certain type of white blood cell (eosinophils)—coupled with the patient's history. If the patient reports having eaten undercooked meat from an animal known to be a potential carrier of trichinosis, the doctor may order a muscle biopsy to confirm the diagnosis. By the third or fourth week of infection, muscle biopsies usually indicate the presence of larvae. Stool tests rarely reveal adult worms, although larvae can sometimes be found in blood or duodenal washings after the second week of infection. The blood test that is the most specific for trichinosis is the bentonite flocculation (BF) test.

T. spiralis can infect a number of different animal species used for food. The most common food culprit in the United States has been pork sausage, while outbreaks in Europe have caused by wild boar and horse meat. Outbreaks of trichinosis in Asia and Africa have been traced to dog meat, and outbreaks in Northern Canada have resulted from consumption of walrus and bear meat.
Treatment
Supportive care

Treatment of trichinosis is primarily aimed at decreasing the severity of the symptoms. Symptomatic relief includes bed rest and medications to relieve fever and muscle pain. The medications most commonly given are aspirin and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). Steroids such as prednisone (Deltasone, Meticorten) are reserved for the most severe cases of muscle inflammation, or for complicated cases that include myocarditis.
Anthelminthic medications

In addition to medications for pain relief, trichinosis can be treated with drugs that are called anti-worm medications or anthelminthics. Two related anti-worm medications, mebendazole (Vermox) and thiabendazole (Mintezol), have been reported to be effective against intestinal larvae, but not against larvae encysted in the muscles. In particular, thiabendazole has worked best when given to patients who knew within 24 hours that they had eaten infested meat. Thiabendazole has, however, anti-inflammatory properties that can relieve some of the pain during the muscle stage of trichinosis.
Prognosis

The prognosis for recovery from trichinosis is generally good. Most people with the disease are unaware that they have even been infected. It is estimated that between 150,000 and 300,00 people in the United States become infected yearly, so that at any given time, 1.5 million people have T. spiralis infections. Most of these people have such light cases that trichinosis is never identified. Worm burden is measured in larvae per gram of muscle tissue; people with 10 or fewer larvae per gram of muscle tissue usually have no significant symptoms. When the number climbs to 100 larvae per gram of muscle tissue, the symptoms become noticeable. People with over 1000 larvae per gram of muscle tissue are usually extremely ill, and often die. The mortality rate of trichinosis is about 1%.
Prevention

Prevention of trichinosis is relatively simple. Swine should be fed only grain or cooked garbage because uncooked garbage may contain contaminated pork scraps. Meat from animals prone to trichinosis infection should be cooked or smoked thoroughly until it is no longer pink. Freezing meat at an adequately low temperature (5°F/-15°C for three weeks) can kill most encysted larvae, except for species which infect such arctic mammals as walrus or bear.
Resources
ORGANIZATIONS

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 1600 Clifton Rd., NE, Atlanta, GA 30333. (800) 311-3435, (404) 639-3311. 〈http://www.cdc.gov〉.
KEY TERMS

Anthelminthic— A type of medication that is given to destroy or eliminate parasitic worms.

Cyst— In the life cycle of the round worm, a protective, walled-off capsule in which the larvae lie dormant.

Embryonic— In the life cycle of the round worm, a very early life stage occurring within the uterus of the female round worm.

Host— The animal within which a parasite lives, and from which the parasite receives its nutrition.

Inflammation— A reaction within the body to an invader (virus, bacteria, fungus, worm, etc.) or to tissue injury. The classic signs of inflammation include redness, heat, pain, and loss of function.

Larva— In the life cycle of the round worm, the second stage of life, sometimes considered the "adolescent" stage.

Nematode— A type of roundworm with a long, unsegmented body, usually parasitic on animals or plants.

Striated muscle— Also known as striped muscle; it includes muscles of the skeletal system and of the heart.

Trichina— An individual example of Trichinella spiralis.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/trichinosis.aspx

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

No I wasn't yelling, , that was not my intention, it was emphasis, one certain words, the words that made the context. I am sorry if I did the letters too big, I usually don't make them that big.

That took a lot of energy to do all that I was trying to explore Scripture meaning and context, really.

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

It is not in the greek. Not at all. It was added. That is what I was trying to point out. Just words added. Not freaking out, exploring Scripture.

Brainfreeze · Dec 24, 2014

Hizikyah said:

It was not part of scripture.. I said that, it's not going to be in Latin either, it's not part of scripture, Anyway, what goes in a man, rather germs or pig can't defile a man.. It goes to the stomach and not the heart,

Karraster · Dec 24, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

What about the prophacy of Isaiah 66:17? I mean sincerely, what do you think about it? I don't see any other way to take it than well, face value. Seems rather simple and plain spoken.

"Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine's flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether," declares the LORD.

Karraster · Dec 24, 2014

Hizikyah said:

Didn't a monk scribble it in the margins, then the copyist copied it? anyway, I agree, my researching research shows it not there in the older writings.

Brainfreeze · Dec 24, 2014

Question: In the context of Jesus' teaching, what was meant by "defileth" in verse 11?
My Answer: The scribes and Pharisees were condemning the disciples for not washing their hands, implying that they were therefore defiled or unclean, because Jesus' disciples did not follow the traditions of the elders. Jesus replied by rebuking the scribes and Pharisees, saying that nothing a man puts into his mouth defiles the heart, defilement which He defined as "evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, [and] blasphemies". The scribes and Pharisees, and Jesus, were speaking on two entirely different levels, the scribes and Pharisees were concerned with the cleanliness of the hands, and Jesus the cleanliness of the heart. Jesus was saying that nothing a man eats results in an unclean (sinful) heart, rather what a man says and does reveals the state of his heart. In other words, there is no direct cause and effect between any food and "evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, [and] blasphemies", so neither does unwashed hands produce these things either. Yet Jesus was not saying that the biblically unclean foods were now changed, and now healthy to eat, nor was He removing the biblical prohibitions against eating them. They were and still are polluted, contaminated and foul, hazards to your health.

Here I think we both can agree here Hizi.. So He didn't change the law, but did say nothing that goes into a man defiles Him. And yes, this is copied and pasted by someone else's study...

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

You know its satans dirty little joke right?

Do you know how "tammuz" "died"? and who "his" mother "Ishtar" is. What a Ishtar ham is?.... Only in the west do people not know, in the east it is common knowledge.

Brainfreeze · Dec 24, 2014

Karraster said:

How polite and respectful this statement is... A monk and a copyist...I'm done for the night, goodnight all God bless

Brainfreeze · Dec 24, 2014

Hizikyah said:

Me personally I don't like pig " can't stand hot dogs ", hot roast beef and gravy... Different story

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

I have no problem with you copy/paste anything you believe brother, we are exploring the word!

but I think your missing that it was a parable, if you look at the Scripture I believe i is undeniable;

Mark 7:1,2,17
1 Then the Pharisees and certain scribes came together to Him, having come from Yerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of His disciples eating bread with defiled-that is to say, unwashed--hands, they found fault.
3 (Now the Pharisees, and the Yahdaim generally, never eat without washing their hands, holding the tradition of the elders.
17 But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable.

Mt 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?")

Mt 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

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17 But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable.

asked

Him about the parable.

Mt 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

Remember in context what was Messiah's whole berating of the Pahrisees about?

Their traditions, and even named;but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

My favorite is lamb! Gyros! Leg of lamb! yum yums!

Karraster · Dec 24, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

??? What's wrong with saying monk or copyist? I don't get it.

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

Hizikyah said:

"Your immune system is like a finely tuned orchestra whose purpose is to defend your body from unhealthy insults from the world around you. Like an orchestra, your immune system contains many different instruments that work harmoniously together with one goal, protecting you from foreign insults that can cause damage to your body. And, like an orchestra, the different parts of your immune system must be present, play their part at the right time, and then stop when they have completed their function. The main parts of your immune system are the immune cells, the structural barriers in your body in which the majority of these cells are localized, and the specific messenger molecules that call the cells to action or tell them to stop.

Almost all whole grains, vegetables and fruits can serve as excellent sources of at least some of these vitamins, but some vegetables are particularly beneficial since they are excellent sources of many of these immune-supporting vitamins. In particular, Romaine lettuce is a rich source of vitamins B1, B2, C, and folate. Turnip greens and spinach are excellent sources of folate, vitamin B6 and vitamin C. Cauliflower happens to be an excellent source of vitamin C, folate, vitamin B6, and pantothenic acid. Red bell peppers are an excellent source of vitamin B6. Excellent sources of vitamin B12 include sardines, salmon, tuna, cod, lamb, and beef." What Foods are Good for My Immune System?

Hizikyah · Dec 24, 2014

Karraster said:

Brainfreeze said:

Brother she was not talking about you, in the ancient greek texts, "thus declared all foods clean" was "scribbled in" on the margin of the text. She was not in any way saying anything about your post.

that is why she said "monk scribble it in the margins, then the copyist copied it?"

Chopper · Dec 24, 2014

/me walks in and trips over the pile of pork everyone is discussing, then gets up and slips on a banana peel a vegan left behind and falls on his face...

Good grief!

Karraster · Dec 24, 2014

Hizikyah said:

He thought I was talking about him??? Is he a monk or a copyist?

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