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America is only the 7th Kingdom and not the 8th Kingdom (Which is the Antichrist's Empire).

If there is one thing the 8 kingdoms have in common is that they are all kingdoms who were great to the point of influencing the world and or being a great world empire. The U.S. would definitely fall under that category.


The 8th kingdom that the antichrist will rule over is the revised holy Roman empire that is slowly rising within the European union.

Like I said the bible is very vague about American and the only time that a ton of biblical prophecy experts have come to agreement on, and more and more every day. Is that the mentioning of eagles wings is the only references to America in the bible, else wise America is destroyed or so weak that not even a factor in end time events.
And like I said about Revelation 12 is that the symbolism for Israel is a woman, and then it says she was given wings of a great eagle to protect her. This would have to be America, as our country is a great nation with the symbol of an eagle. So if America is still helping Israel then they can not be part of the antichrist kingdom/system/regime.
 
thanks kennethcadwell. knock, and it shall be opened...
..if there's any sense or fear in us, we shall avoid checking for the fulfillment of enemy.
just remember GOD IS. MUST BE. SHALL BE! so a nation killing it's unborn will not ever have any success abroad :)
so repent...
repentance, repentance, repentance...
lovelovelove, lovelovelove, lovelovelove..
 
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


a woman in the bible here is the church.
it is not america
 
thanks kennethcadwell. knock, and it shall be opened...
..if there's any sense or fear in us, we shall avoid checking for the fulfillment of enemy.
just remember GOD IS. MUST BE. SHALL BE! so a nation killing it's unborn will not ever have any success abroad :)
so repent...
repentance, repentance, repentance...
lovelovelove, lovelovelove, lovelovelove..

"coul only have success with Him."
we're supposed to Have Him Fall In Love With Us......
 
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


a woman in the bible here is the church.
it is not america

In Revelation 12: There are several reasons the woman depicted in Revelation 12:13 is Israel, the man child is Jesus, and the remnant of her offspring is the church.

For one, we know the woman is Israel by the description of the way the woman is dressed. For the woman being clothed with the sun, the moon, and the stars is parallel of the vision from Joseph (See Genesis Chapter 37) and the twelve stars are representative of the twelve tribes of Israel.

In verse 5, it states that the woman’s child was " a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Clearly, this is describing Jesus. For Jesus ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9-11) and will one day establish His kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-6), and He will rule it with perfect judgment (the “rod of iron”; see Psalm 2:7-9).

The remnant of the woman's offspring is the church for two reasons. One, the woman (who is Israel) will be nourished or protected in the wilderness against the serpent for the last half of the tribulation; And two, the devil will make war with the remnant of her seed, the church saints, which parallels those passages about the anti-christ making war with the saints and overcoming them (Daniel 7:21) (Daniel 8:9-10) (Revelation 13:7).
 
Hi,

I have been reading Daniel 7 and wanted to ask a few questions, I would be greatful for your responses.

What is the context to Daniel 7?


God revealed what was going to occur on earth from Daniel's until the return of Christ and the Millennium.

Dan 7:17 'Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth.

This is further clarification and definition of Dan 2.

Who is the son of man?

The Son of Man is Jesus Christ.

What relevance does Daniel, in particular Daniel 7 have for us today?

It reveals world history to us and shows us that a great power is going to rise at the end time. The Beast power.

I look forward to your responses!

Thanks

Ed
 
second and third kingdoms

#1 head of gold. the Chaldean Empire. Babylonia
And after thee shall arise another kingdom (inferior) to thee,
it was superseded by the even larger and stronger Persian Empire

#2 breast and arms of silver Medo-Persian Empire
Achaemenid Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-Daniel lived during the time of the first world-ruling empire—Babylonia.
The (Medo-Persian Empire) destroyed the (Babylonian Empire) in 539 b.c. and ruled until 331 b.c.

30In that night was (Belshazzar) the king of (the Chaldeans) slain.
31And (Darius) (the Median) took (the kingdom), being about threescore and two years old.


-Daniel 2 :32..., (his breast and his arms of silver),
This is the Medo-Persian Empire, which took over from Babylon and also conquered Libya and Egypt.

-Daniel 6, Daniels faith tested by second world kingdom.

1It pleased (Darius) to set over (the kingdom) an hundred and twenty princes, .....
8Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed,

according to the law of the (Medes and Persians), which (altereth not).

10Now when (Daniel) knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house;
and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem,

he kneeled upon his (knees three times a day),
and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he (did aforetime).

25Then (king Darius) wrote unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth;..
26I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before
the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that
which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

-Daniel 7

3And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
5And behold another beast, a (second), (like to a bear),
and it raised up itself on one side,
and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it:
and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

Daniel 8, 2nd beast kingdom given to the 3rd system.

1In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel,
2And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace,
which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.

-Verse 1 dates when the prophecy was.
(Daniel) recorded the vision in the (third year) of the reign of (Belshazzar)—550 b.c.
He was at (Shushan), at the palace in (the province of Elam) (verse 2).

3“Then I lifted up mine eyes,and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river

a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high;

but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

4I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward;
so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there
any that could deliver out of his hand;
but he did according to his will, and became great” (world rule).

-what is this mysterious ram referred to in verse 3?
God reveals the answer in verse 20:

The (ram) which thou sawest having (two horns) are (the kings of Media (and) Persia).
-the Meds then the stronger persians, world ruling kingdom number two.

5And as I was considering, behold, an (he goat) came from the west on the face of the whole earth,
and touched not the ground: and the goat had (a notable horn between his eyes).

God reveals the answer to this to in verse 21
And the rough (goat) is (the king of Grecia):
and (the great horn) that is between his eyes is the (first king).

The goat represents the Greco-Macedonian Empire,
and the notable horn stands for its first king— (Alexander the Great).

6And he came to the (ram) that had (two horns), which I had seen standing before the river,
and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

7And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram,
and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down
to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

Alexander’s empire overwhelmed the Medo-Persians in 331 b.c.,
just as verses 6 and 7 prophesied it would!

8Therefore the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong, the great horn was broken;
and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

-The horn that represented the first Grecian king,Alexander, was suddenly broken.
Alexander the Great, at the height of his power, died of fever suddenly while in Babylon.
He was only 33 years old.

“Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.”

-After Alexander died in 323 b.c., his kingdom was divided into (four major parts),
none of which were as strong as Alexander’s empire, .

9And (out of one of them)came forth a (little horn), which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

-First, so there is no confusion, this is not referring to the
(little horn) mentioned in Daniel 7:8. That little horn rose up in the midst of the other horns.
In Daniel 8:9, the little horn springs up out of one of the four horns from Alexander’s empire.

10And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and
of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them

this little horn in Daniel 8 is: Antiochus Epiphanes.
Antiochus IV Epiphanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He came up out of one of the four divisions and, in a sense, bridged
the gap between the Greco-Macedonian Empire and the Roman Empire.

Antiochus was a ruthless dictator who, through deceitful
lies and flatteries, obtained rule in Palestine in 176 b.c.

In 168 b.c., Antiochus pillaged and desecrated the Jews’ temple in Jerusalem.
He also burdened the Jews with unbearable taxes.

But never before, neither under the Assyrians nor under the Babylonians,
had it received such a blow as the edict issued by Antiochus Epiphanes by which
he hoped to crush and destroy the faith of Israel

-This prophecy in Daniel also applies to an end-time Antiochus.
His goal will be to crush the faith of (spiritual) Israel—God’s Church.

The temple, today, is God’s Church (Ephesians 2:20-21).
people are looking for the wrong sign if waiting for sacrifices to start.
the daily in prophecy refers to the sacrifice, or work, of the Church.

There is also an end-time abomination of desolation, as
prophesied here in Daniel 8 and in Matthew 24 and Luke 21.

But what we have not understood is the spiritual dimension to this prophecy.
Anciently, Antiochus went to Jerusalem and desecrated
the temple first. Afterward, he ransacked the whole city.

Notice, here the daily is taken away because of transgression.
So this is a different event than in Daniel 12:11, where there
is a “daily” taken away because of righteousness—to the place
of safety.

Also, in Daniel 12 an end-time Antiochus violently
shatters the power of the holy people. But here in Daniel 8, he
subtly comes to the temple with flatteries.

Daniel 8 is discussing transgression, truth being cast
to the ground—a satanic host practicing and prospering
at destroying the daily(continual) all from within the sanctuary,
God’s own Church.

There is a duality here. First, there is an Antiochus used by Satan
to destroy God’s Church, spiritual Israel, from the inside.
Then there is an Antiochus, leading the Holy Roman Empire,
who destroys the nations of Israel.

next the forth beast comming on the seen is Rome
 
The 8th kingdom that the antichrist will rule over is the revised holy Roman empire that is slowly rising within the European union.

Like I said the bible is very vague about American and the only time that a ton of biblical prophecy experts have come to agreement on, and more and more every day. Is that the mentioning of eagles wings is the only references to America in the bible, else wise America is destroyed or so weak that not even a factor in end time events.
And like I said about Revelation 12 is that the symbolism for Israel is a woman, and then it says she was given wings of a great eagle to protect her. This would have to be America, as our country is a great nation with the symbol of an eagle. So if America is still helping Israel then they can not be part of the antichrist kingdom/system/regime.

While that is an interesting interpretatilon I have never heard before (Which might appear as a possibility), we also have to consider the possibility that the mountains are just the real mountains nearby that they are told to flee into. For when those who are in Judea see the Abomination of Desolations, they are then told to flee into the mountains and not return back to get their things. If America is offering Jews protection or refuge during this particular uprising against Jerusalem, America would have to have something to gain by protecting them.

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Days of Vengeance" is Named By The Lord At This Point:

Anti-Christ's Armed Forces Attack Jerusalem:

• Luke 21:20-24a

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:

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The Middle of the Tribulation:
(Also Known As the "Middle of Daniel's 70th Week"):
(Last Month of the 1st Half of the Tribulation):
(30 Days Before the Midpoint Day of the Tribulation):

Anti-Christ Takes Jerusalem & The Temple Sacrifices Are Stopped:
(And the Gentile Nations Will Trod Down Upon the City for 42 Months):
(This capture of Jerusalem will happen 30 days prior to the Abomination of Desolation and this 42 month period of the "Trodding Down of the Gentiles" will conclude upon the completion of the 6th Trumpet with 30 more days left until the end of Daniel's 70th Week):

• Daniel 11:31a NIV

His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice.

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• Daniel 12:11a NLT and Daniel 12:11b NLT

From the time the daily sacrifice is stopped... there will be 1,290 days.

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• Revelation 11:2 NLT

The nations ... will trample the holy city for 42 months.

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Midpoint Day of the Tribulation:
(Continuation of the "Middle of Daniel's 70th Week"):

The Anti-Christ Sets Up the Abomination of Desolation in the Jewish Temple:

• Matthew 24:15-22

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand): Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

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• Mark 13:14-20


But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

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• Daniel 9:24-27

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


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A Select Group of Jews Flee to the Mountains:
(Which can also be referred to as "the wilderness" within the Scriptures)

• Revelation 12:6

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and three score days.

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• Revelation 12:14-16

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.




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The 8th kingdom that the antichrist will rule over is the revised holy Roman empire that is slowly rising within the European union.

Like I said the bible is very vague about American and the only time that a ton of biblical prophecy experts have come to agreement on, and more and more every day. Is that the mentioning of eagles wings is the only references to America in the bible, else wise America is destroyed or so weak that not even a factor in end time events.
And like I said about Revelation 12 is that the symbolism for Israel is a woman, and then it says she was given wings of a great eagle to protect her. This would have to be America, as our country is a great nation with the symbol of an eagle. So if America is still helping Israel then they can not be part of the antichrist kingdom/system/regime.

Also, we have to take under consideration that just because a Beast Kingdom is labeled as a Beast Kingdom does not mean that such a Kingdom is not capable of doing something good. For example: Egypt took in Moses and Joseph; And Babylon acknowledged the one true God. In other words, the 7th Kingdom can be the United States and still be a part of the other Beast Empires and still be able to help Israel. This makes sense because no country today truly is in submission to the Commands of Jesus Christ and Him as Lord. Yes, God places authorities into power, and the Lord can use them for His purposes and plans, but that does not mean those authorities or countries are in allegiance with God or Christ openly or willingly with knowledge. For we have to understand that the god of this world is Satan. For Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world. Hence, why He is returning.
 
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love.
Hallelujah.
"in one version we're entering daniel 9 /8.14" :) now.
"brush brush the unclean down in one of our calendar weeks now."
THE CROSS.
Love
:)
 
love.
Hallelujah.
"in one version we're entering daniel 9 /8.14" :) now.
"brush brush the unclean down in one of our calendar weeks now."
THE CROSS.
Love
:)

"i might be worried of a false olive, though."
love, love, love.
 
Also, we have to take under consideration that just because a Beast Kingdom is labeled as a Beast Kingdom does not mean that such a Kingdom is not capable of doing something good. For example: Egypt took in Moses and Joseph; And Babylon acknowledged the one true God. In other words, the 7th Kingdom can be the United States and still be a part of the other Beast Empires and still be able to help Israel. This makes sense because no country today truly is in submission to the Commands of Jesus Christ and Him as Lord. Yes, God places authorities into power, and the Lord can use them for His purposes and plans, but that does not mean those authorities or countries are in allegiance with God or Christ openly or willingly with knowledge. For we have to understand that the god of this world is Satan. For Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world. Hence, why He is returning.

Christ forms darkness. Christ Cruises anything. "and darkness. Kinda makes it something." :p
enemy REBUKED.
Jesus Rules.
 
This image's head was of fine gold,
his breast and his arms of silver,
his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

1 head of gold. Chaldean Empire. (626 BC-539 b.c)
Neo-Babylonian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2 breast and arms of silver Medo-Persian Empire (550-330 b.c.)
Achaemenid Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3 belly and thighs of brass greco-macedonia-Alexander the Great (336-323 b.c.)
Alexander the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4 the two legs of iron roman empire-capitals Rome and Constantinople.(31 b.c.-a.d. 476)
Roman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Daniel told the Chaldean king that he and his kingdom
were represented by the image’s head of gold (2:38).

34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote
the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.


from here on it is what came up from the roman empire


the 10 horns that grow out of the fourth beast[/QUOTE You forgot the fifth kingdom. The feet and toes that were part iron and part mirey clay. This is the part of the image the stone strikes and topples the image. This is the last kingdom. And coralates with the fourth dreadful and terrible beast, which also is destroyed by Jesus and brings in his kingdom.
 
In English please.

"you wouldn't want to utter a beast kingdom can do good." you more want to be a friend, safekeeper of us here and yourself "by putting up by Christ" "Glory His." your tongue belongs with Him. with it, your keyboard.
He Can have a beast kingdom. He Can have it fit well.
 
"you wouldn't want to utter a beast kingdom can do good." you more want to be a friend, safekeeper of us here and yourself "by putting up by Christ" "Glory His." your tongue belongs with Him. with it, your keyboard.
He Can have a beast kingdom. He Can have it fit well.

......"we have to understand that the god of this world is our enemy"???
what kingdom is you proclaiming...
your mirror is more king than enemy nation.
there was a kind of kind of "Kinda part." Creator Glorious.
did you get the we rebuke enemy part?
 

These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.


from here on it is what came up from the roman empire


the 10 horns that grow out of the fourth beast[/QUOTE You forgot the fifth kingdom. The feet and toes that were part iron and part mirey clay. This is the part of the image the stone strikes and topples the image. This is the last kingdom. And coralates with the fourth dreadful and terrible beast, which also is destroyed by Jesus and brings in his kingdom.

i posted info from bible

first NeoBabylonian_Empire post 12
second and then third kingdoms post 29

i am gathering verses for forth kingdom that is rome,
and the ten horns that come from them in a few.

33His legs of iron,
his feet part of iron and part of clay.


where does it say is toes is 5th kingdom,
it is part of the forth beast, came out of it
 
"you wouldn't want to utter a beast kingdom can do good." you more want to be a friend, safekeeper of us here and yourself "by putting up by Christ" "Glory His." your tongue belongs with Him. with it, your keyboard.
He Can have a beast kingdom. He Can have it fit well.

Your still not making any sense. But that's okay. You don't have to tell me.