Sunday Keepers Dare to explain this

[eternally-gratefull]

So we cannot keep it perfectly ourselves we don't keep it at all? We just go out and murder because after all we cannot keep the Law perfectly? We commit adultery because we cannot keep that Law perfectly?

This is crazy, I get so sick of this excuse, why do you excuse your sin? It is the legalist excusing their sin, not the ones who are faith based, They acknowledge their sin

You think just because you do not murder, commit adultery or brake the sabbath your more holy than others? that is what the pharisees thought.

Since we cannot obey perfectly, we don't even try? Try ignoring the eighth Commandment when you go to the bank. You just take whatever you want regardless of whose it is?

Od do you keep some of these Laws? Just not the fourth one.

again, a ridiculous argument. I am not saying this and you know it.

 

[elf3]

And why didn't He repeat this one?

Lev 18:23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.

Same reason? You think that these Laws were done away? Why would Christ have to repeat the entirety of the Torah? If He did not repeat every single sentence then you think it was done away?

There is the underlying problem. You still believe we are under mosaic law.

 

[Hizikyah]

There is the underlying problem. You still believe we are under mosaic law.

What about this?


Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Was He mistaken, or?....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What about this?


Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Was He mistaken, or?....

is it still convicting you that you are unworthy?

 

[Hizikyah]

is it still convicting you that you are unworthy?

Im not sure what you are trying to say.

And please, what does that verse mean?

 

[Mitspa]

So, you really believe the Law is no longer in force?

its very much in force for those who are not in Christ...and those who have rejected His grace and seek to be justified by the law will find out the true unbending standard of the Law when they stand before Gods judgment. But I will be found in Him, not having my own righteousness which is by the law, but that which is through faith in Christ...but you can trust in your lawkeeping if you want? Im sure your doing fine...lol

 

[Hizikyah]

its very much in force for those who are not in Christ...and those who have rejected His grace and seek to be justified by the law will find out the true unbending standard of the Law when they stand before Gods judgment. But I will be found in Him, not having my own righteousness which is by the law, but that which is through faith in Christ...but you can trust in your lawkeeping if you want? Im sure your doing fine...lol

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 12:17
New International Version
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring--those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

New Living Translation
And the dragon was angry at the woman and declared war against the rest of her children--all who keep God's commandments and maintain their testimony for Jesus.

English Standard Version
Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

New American Standard Bible
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

King James Bible
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.



Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12

New International Version
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

New Living Translation
This means that God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.

English Standard Version
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

King James Bible
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

 

[kennethcadwell]

This is crazy, I get so sick of this excuse, why do you excuse your sin? It is the legalist excusing their sin, not the ones who are faith based, They acknowledge their sin

You think just because you do not murder, commit adultery or brake the sabbath your more holy than others? that is what the pharisees thought.



again, a ridiculous argument. I am not saying this and you know it.

That is correct a person with a faith based and built through Christ acknowledges their sin and confesses them to Him for forgiveness. And He being just will forgive us of that sin when we confess it to Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Im not sure what you are trying to say.

And please, what does that verse mean?

it means, Is the law (which was given as a schoomaster) still convicting you that your guilty?

if not. then it is not doing its job.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is correct a person with a faith based and built through Christ acknowledges their sin and confesses them to Him for forgiveness. And He being just will forgive us of that sin when we confess it to Him.

1. He knew EVERY sin I would ever commit before I was born.
2. He knew them when he died for me
3. He knew them before time began.

He saved me KNOWING every sin I would ever commit.

He is outside of time

He knows my heart.

I will never suprise him with ANY SIN.

since he saved me KNOWING every sin I would commit. He forgave me of every sin I would commit the moment he saved me.

Sot making God a human God will you please. that is quite offensive.

 

[john832]

But we are now under a new covenant. We are no longer under the law. And also when is the true Sabbath rest for us?

So if your wife entertains the postman that is not a problem because she is not under the Law. By the way, if we are no longer under the Law, why do we need Christ's sacrifice?

 

[john832]

Well the whole debate here is the church under the law if Moses or are they justified by faith apart from the law... clearly its by faith and clearly the church did not meet on the sabbath but on the first day of the week. just as the Holy spirit clearly records for us. If you can produce any instance where the church gathered on the sabbath?

Gotta call it the Law of Moses because if you recognize that it is the Law of God, you might have to obey it.

 

[john832]

There is the underlying problem. You still believe we are under mosaic law.

Uh, perhaps you have never read the Law and don't understand that Moses was only the transcriptionist. God Almighty spoke those Laws to Moses.

 

[john832]

This is crazy, I get so sick of this excuse, why do you excuse your sin? It is the legalist excusing their sin, not the ones who are faith based, They acknowledge their sin

You think just because you do not murder, commit adultery or brake the sabbath your more holy than others? that is what the pharisees thought.



again, a ridiculous argument. I am not saying this and you know it.

No answers huh?

 

[john832]

What about this?


Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Was He mistaken, or?....

is it still convicting you that you are unworthy?

Absolutely, unlike you, I realize that I need Christ's sacrifice and forgiveness for breaking the Law. I am not worthy an dam thankful daily for the mercy and compassion that God shows me.

 

[john832]

it means, Is the law (which was given as a schoomaster) still convicting you that your guilty?

if not. then it is not doing its job.

The Schoolmaster was the sacrificial Laws that really were a shadow of the perfect sacrifice of Christ.

 

[john832]

1. He knew EVERY sin I would ever commit before I was born.
2. He knew them when he died for me
3. He knew them before time began.

He saved me KNOWING every sin I would ever commit.

He is outside of time

He knows my heart.

I will never suprise him with ANY SIN.

since he saved me KNOWING every sin I would commit. He forgave me of every sin I would commit the moment he saved me.

Sot making God a human God will you please. that is quite offensive.

This is patently false. God chooses NOT to know certain things. Need an example?

Gen 22:12 And He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me."

What purpose was there in trying Abraham if He already knew?

 

[john832]

That is correct a person with a faith based and built through Christ acknowledges their sin and confesses them to Him for forgiveness. And He being just will forgive us of that sin when we confess it to Him.

And how do you know your sins?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

Now doing away with the Law is a novel way to take care of sin, just declare the Law done away and nothing is sin anymore...

Rom 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Satan tried that, how'd that work out for him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No answers huh?

dude you have issues.

If you break the least of the law. your guilty of the whole law.

You think your better than the adulterer? think again. Your just as guilty and condemned as he is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Absolutely, unlike you,

Thats funny. Unlike me? You must never read anything i write. Of course it seems thats true, since you continue to make false accusations against me.

I realize that I need Christ's sacrifice and forgiveness for breaking the Law. I am not worthy an dam thankful daily for the mercy and compassion that God shows me.

Yet you think you can lose salvation. which means you must think you can get to a point your not as guilty or do not need Gods mercy as much as others.

WHich if you understood the law. you would never think this.