Was Christ's blood divine or human?

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Was Christ's blood divine or human?

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prove-all

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There was something different about His body and blood. I believe He never got sick. When the soldier at the cross speared His side blood AND water flowed. Who of us, aside from pregnant women, have blood and water inside? .
Jesus became man and his blood was human


when anyone dies, and stabbed in the side ,

water and blood will come out,

that is what would happen to any if they are dead.

they knew he was dead by that sign,

so they did not break his legs.


i read somewhere Jesus died faster then normal,

because of his broken heart
 

prove-all

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One thing that was different then us,

Jesus had the holy spirit without no measure,

even from his mothers womb
 
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If his blood wasn't divine then how could his blood save us? since when can mans blood save other man?
Is it bleeding that He saved us, or dying - shedding of blood and dying where synonymous
 
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One thing that was different then us,

Jesus had the holy spirit without no measure,

even from his mothers womb
Amen! The Lamb that was slain.

There isn't one reputable Greek scholar that believed anything more than what you've said here.
John the Baptist also had the Holy Spirit in the womb and lept for joy in Mary's presence, testifying that Mary carried the Son of God - The Messiah.

The emphasis of Acts 2:28 is on the fact that He was [is] God - nothing more.

The belief that Jesus had anything more than we - as blood bought, Spirit filled, Spirit baptized Believers have is cultish to say the least and I am Not trying to put anybody down and haven't in any other posts on this thread.

Lazarus was in the grave 4 days when Jesus resurrected him from the dead and had him to 'float' [so to speak] bound by grave cloths when he came out of that tomb.

Search every reputable commentator that has dug into all of the manuscripts and we won't find one that will say anything different than what you've said here. Not one will say that Jesus' body or any part of His human body was any different than ours but just that The Word of GOD was made 'flesh'.
Everything that's been written about Him and quoting His Own statements point to Him having no advantage over us, so that we'll have no excuse to not be and do what He was and did and commanded us to do -- just minus dying for anyone's sins.

Just a few of the many that states this verse is pointing to His Deity & His Church and not His blood type but focus on that His Blood and Him being God is what purchased us -

Feed the Church of God - This verse has been the subject of much controversy, particularly in reference to the term Θεου, of God, in this place; and concerning it there is great dissension among the MSS. and versions. Three readings exist in them, in reference to which critics and commentators have been much divided; viz. εκκλησιαν του Θεου, the Church of God; του Κυριου, of the Lord; Κυριου και Θεου, of the Lord and God. From the collections of Wetstein and Griesbach, it appears that but few MSS., and none of them very ancient, have the word Θεου, of God; with these only the Vulgate, and the later Syriac in the text, agree. Κυριου, of the Lord, is the reading of ACDE, several others, the Sahidic, Coptic, later Syriac in the margin, Armenian, Ethiopia, and some of the fathers. Κυριου και Θεου, of the Lord and of God, is the reading of the great majority; though the most ancient are for Κυριου, of the Lord: on this ground Griesbach has admitted this reading into the text, and put Κυριου και Θεου in the margin, as being next in authority.
Mr. Wakefield, who was a professed and conscientious Unitarian, decides for του Θεου, of God, as the true reading; but, instead of translating του ιδιου αἱματος, with his own blood, he translates, by his own Son, and brings some passages from the Greek and Roman writers to show that αἱμα and sanguis are used to signify son, or near relative; and, were this the only place where purchasing with his own blood occurred, we might receive this saying; but, as the redemption of man is, throughout the New Testament, attributed to the sacrificial death of Christ, it is not likely that this very unusual meaning should apply here. At all events, we have here a proof that the Church was purchased by the blood of Christ; and, as to his Godhead, it is sufficiently established in many other places. When we grant that the greater evidence appears to be in favor of του Κυριου, feed the Church of the Lord, which he has purchased with his own blood, we must maintain that, had not this Lord been God, his blood could have been no purchase for the souls of a lost world. [Clarke]

Whose blood? If tou theou (Aleph B Vulg.) is correct, as it is, then Jesus is here called “God” who shed his own blood for the flock. [A.T. Robertson]

With his own blood - With the sacrifice of his own life; for blood is often put for life, and to shed the blood is equivalent to faking the life. See the notes on Rom_3:25. The doctrines taught here are:
(1) That the death of Christ was an atoning sacrifice; that he offered himself to purchase a people to his own service.
(2) that the church is, therefore, of special value a value to be estimated by the price paid for it. Compare 1Pe_1:18-19.
(3) that this fact should make the purity and salvation of the church an object of special solicitude with ministers of the gospel. They should be deeply affected in view of that blood which has been shed for the church; and they should guard and defend it as having been bought with the highest price in the universe. The chief consideration that will make ministers faithful and self-denying is, that the church has been bought with a price. If the Lord Jesus so loved it; if he gave himself for it, they should be willing to deny themselves; to watch, and toil, and pray, that the great object of his death the purity and the salvation of that church - may be obtained. [Albert Barnes]

with his own blood — “His own” is emphatic: “That glorified Lord who from the right hand of power in the heavens is gathering and ruling the Church, and by His Spirit, through human agency, hath set you over it, cannot be indifferent to its welfare in your hands, seeing He hath given for it His own most precious blood, thus making it His own by the dearest of all ties.” The transcendent sacredness of the Church of Christ is thus made to rest on the dignity of its Lord and the consequent preciousness of that blood which He shed for it. And as the sacrificial atoning character of Christ’s death is here plainly expressed, so His supreme dignity is implied as clearly by the second reading as it is expressed by the first. What a motive to pastoral fidelity is here furnished! [Jamieson, Fausset & Brown]


He was like us in every way so that we could become like Him in every way. He had No Advantage over us, Intentionally.
The First Born of many Brethren.

Could also be why Jews consider another a Jew if the 'mother' was a Jew. Not sure where they get that because one would think that only those with the blood type of the Jewish mother would be so. As we should know, we could have either of our parent's blood type or a different blood type than both - as with some types - other types are in the ancestry but I'm sure He didn't have some strange, unknown type. Some cults have it that it's AB, taken from the shroud -- I don't believe the shroud is genuine but the Divinci Code people and some AB blood type cults do ... even saying that the 'stigmatas' that have been 'witnessed' that had blood appear on statues, etc., also were tested and it was AB blood type .... so where is that leading? Scarey stuff.
 

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How precious is the life blood of Jesus!


“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar

to make and atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof …”


“Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.”

the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”

Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.”


and when I see the blood, I will passover you,
and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”

6. Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”

7. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ,who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …

8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”

9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

10. Romans3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for t
he remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

11. Romans5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
 
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How precious is the life blood of Jesus!


“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar

to make and atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof …”


“Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.”

the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”

Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.”


and when I see the blood, I will passover you,
and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”

6. Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”

7. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ,who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …

8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”

9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

10. Romans3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for t
he remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

11. Romans5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
Very Much Worth Repeating ~ Amen, and Amen!
 
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... this tends to make one think that you might be an Ebionite and or that you might be leaning towards their way of thinking.

Ebionites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'd never heard of "Ebionites" before, but I just clicked on the link you provided and here's what I read:

"They regarded Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah while rejecting his divinity and insisted on the necessity of following Jewish law and rites."

Answer: That IS NOT me. I did read however that "they placed a special value on voluntary poverty"... and that could be viewed as something I have in common with them, being someone who values Asceticism myself; but in the sense that it frees the mind from all the burden that prevents it from flying (or running fast as Paul writes in Hebrews 12: 1-2)

You had a few other questions, but I will decline to respond because it takes one whom the Father has drawn to me to listen and understand the things that I say.
 
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Now, here is a deep question that many have probably not considered. If Jesus' blood was divine or holy in some way in addition to being human blood, then there is a good chance we will have this same type of blood in the bodily resurrections of the saints. Now, I am not suggesting we will be God. But we will have holy eternal blood. We will have eternal life. Hebrews 7:16 says Jesus was resurrected after the power of an endless life. Revelation says Jesus lives forever more. Now, why is that? Is it because maybe Jesus would have naturally lived forever because He is God Almighty in the flesh. For Jesus could heal people. Jesus was life. Jesus was perfect in every way. Yes, He was human and He had real flesh and blood and He could get tired, hungry, feel pain, and die, etc. But Jesus would not ever need a Tree of Life like Adam. Jesus is the Tree of Life. For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
 

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You had a few other questions, but I will decline to respond because it takes one whom the Father has drawn to me to listen and understand the things that I say.
uhh, I think Im usually nice here...

But...

kick rocks



The Father draws people to the Messiah....
 
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I'd never heard of "Ebionites" before, but I just clicked on the link you provided and here's what I read:

"They regarded Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah while rejecting his divinity and insisted on the necessity of following Jewish law and rites."

Answer: That IS NOT me. I did read however that "they placed a special value on voluntary poverty"... and that could be viewed as something I have in common with them, being someone who values Asceticism myself; but in the sense that it frees the mind from all the burden that prevents it from flying (or running fast as Paul writes in Hebrews 12: 1-2)

You had a few other questions, but I will decline to respond because it takes one whom the Father has drawn to me to listen and understand the things that I say.
The reason why I brought up the Ebionites is because they reject Paul. Now, I know you said you like Paul, but you also said, I quote,

"there are parts of his thinking/preaching that I find misleading and therefore very, very dangerous."

Which leads me to believe you do not think all of Paul says is divinely inspired Scripture.

Would I be correct or no, my friend?
 
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as it is written, as i have seen on forum after forum, chat room after chat room; those who reject paul or peter or john or timothy or philip,
also reject Yahshua the Savior, without exception.

the teachings not just of paul, who was taught by revelation of Yahshua, but of all Torah(OT and NT, all),
are misrepresented by the world church (catholicism, and some others mostly carry over false teachings from the rcc)
and that has mislead many. But paul and all the NT and all the OT is kept and guarded by Yahweh. Yahweh is not a man that He should lie; nor fallable that He would make a mistake or let His Word fall to the ground.

yes, man has messed up , almost everything. but Yahweh is true and faithful; and Yahshua is the only Savior by which anyone on earth anywhere can be saved. (remember those 'outside' the ekklesia, Yahweh judges- He is not unjust to anyone).
 
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reading further. "voluntary poverty" was one of the first, or the first, things lost by the 'church' when it was infiltrated by the wolves paul warned the assembly at ephesus about in acts.

it is one of the last, if not the last, things restored as Yahweh has been restoring salvation by grace through faith since , as some reckon it, martin luther. little by little Yahweh has been restoring all of the truth that was lost through the rule of the counterfeit church.
 
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Are you saying God has blood ?
God is Spirit. But the Word was made flesh, though. Can God be tired? No. But as a man He can be tired. Can God be hungry? No. But as a man He can be hungry. Can God bleed? No. But as a man God can bleed. However, the question remains is what kind of blood does God bleed as a result of the Incarnation, though. Seeing Jesus was resurrected after the power of endless life, it makes sense that Jesus would have lived forever if He was not sacrificed upon the cross.
 

Jackson123

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Actually, this early morning (Pacific Time), I have considered what you said. I considered the possibility that his blood was only human. However, what you proposed is not exactly an iron clad reason or case to prove that Christ's blood was human alone. Christ's blood was indeed human enough in the fact that it was physical, was able to give life to the flesh by pumping blood thru out his veins. It is possible that His blood was not a regenerating agent but a preserving agent. Meaning that in the Incarnation, His bllood could be spilled and His flesh could be cut and not be instantly regenerated ---- Yet his flesh would not decompose while in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights because His blood is a preserving agent and not a regenerating agent. Hence, why the Holy one's flesh did not see corruption while in the grave.

I would say the biggest case for Jesus having human blood would be that he had to be like us in every way in order to be our substitute. But does Jesus have a created soul and a created spirit like us? No. Does Jesus have blood not tainted by sin like us? No. Is it not wrong for man to receive worship? Yet Jesus received worship. Does not the Scripture say that He held all things together by the word of His power when he purged us of our sins? I take this to mean, that Jesus held all things together while he was on the cross. No man can hold all things together. So Jesus was not exactly like us in every aspect or way.

Granted, I am open to exploring that Jesus had only human blood with Scripture. So if this truth is important to God, then surely there would be clues in Scripture for us to believe one way or the other. For at this time, while I am leaning in one partiicular direction on this topic, I am open to what Scripture has to say.

As for your claim about holy objects and or things people touched by Jesus (thinking it was holy):

Well, maybe you should talk to the woman with the issue of blood. She thought that if she could just touch his garment, that she would be healed. Now, if God condemned the idea of things such as cloths or other objects not being acceptable to touch in them being holy, Jesus would have surely rebuked this woman for thinking that there is nothing special about his garment for her to be healed. But that's not what happened. We see that she was healed by touching his garment. In fact, this is nothing new. We see God telling Moses and Joshua to take off their shoes because they were standing on holy ground. Now, how can ground be holy? Paul's garments also healed people. Again, these are objects. If Acts 20:28 was not written, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. But it exists; And I have to take seriously the plain straight forward meaning of what Scrippture says unless other Scripture conflicts with it. Sure, can Jesus who is God say in His Word that His blood is God's blood because He forever joined with the physical? Perhaps. But I need more verses to go on to prove that line of thinking.

Anyways, love, peace, and blessings be unto you.
Brother Jason,

About the verse that say Jesus become a human is John I:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


About the thing that being touch by Jesus or prophet some time have a power but not always.

If every thing Jesus touch have a power, I can imagine, every body bring something to Jesus just to be touch.

In OT I remember the story, people dispose dead body, touch Elijah bone and alive.

It is not always, If it always the Army or the Israel King will bring the bone to war zone. If any body get kill, then bring the bone and touch the dead.
 

DB7

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For starters, without the blood, there is no remission of sins.

Innocent animal blood couldn't do the job.

It was only God's blood that could take away our sins for good.
Jason, i'm sorry, i think you are taking the verses way too literal, and not applying a more figurative interpretation to the texts. I would never interpret Acts 20:28 to mean that the power of absolution was in the blood, the power was in his obedience unto death, it's clearly a metaphor as in; blood = death = obedience & faith, is it not?
Again, how can someone else's blood cleanse another's heart, or placate a righteous and holy God?

The requirement for blood was punitive, not cleansing, how in the world can it be any other way?
Hypothetically, if Jesus's blood was not drawn as in that he wasn't nailed to the cross but simply tied, and then died from fatigue or starvation, would his death be null & void and not sufficient to effectuate the atonement?
I can't imagine that it would not be!
The punishment for sin was death, someone had to die to pay the price, not to offer the ingredients necessary to absolve our sins. Adam was guilty not by eating an apple, but by disobedience, Christ rectified it with obedience, irrespective of the manner of death.
Thanks!
 

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Very Much Worth Repeating ~ Amen, and Amen!
Hi CIG, blood is nothing more than a metaphor for death, nothing more.
Blood is material, susceptible to contamination and disease, it offers no remission of sin in and of itself.
It was used to pay the price for our sins, only because God established death to be the price for sin.
if Christ was not obedient, his blood would be worthless regardless if it was divine or not.
God demanded obedience to absolve the sin, and death only to pay the outstanding debt.
Thx!
 
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Brother Jason,

About the verse that say Jesus become a human is John I:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
It might not have been your intention, but the way you wrote the above makes it sound like you are teaching me something new (As if I was a child to the Scriptures). I assure you, I am very familar with John 1:14. I have read and studied it many times. Hence, the reason why I quoted it. The point I was trying to make with John 1:14 is that it speaks of the Incarnation, of which as you you know is speaking of God manifesting in the flesh. This is important as a part of my argument that Jesus' blood is both divine and human because that is exactly what Jesus was. He was both divine and human. 1 John 5:8 talks about how there are three that bear witness in the Earth; They are the spirit, the water, and the blood and these three things agree as one. Jesus yielded up the ghost (His eternal Spirit); And Blood and water came out of Jesus' side.

About the thing that being touch by Jesus or prophet some time have a power but not always.

If every thing Jesus touch have a power, I can imagine, every body bring something to Jesus just to be touch.

In OT I remember the story, people dispose dead body, touch Elijah bone and alive.

It is not always, If it always the Army or the Israel King will bring the bone to war zone. If any body get kill, then bring the bone and touch the dead.
I am not suggesting that everything God touched would forever be holy. Although, I am sure if He wanted it to be, it could very well be that way. The point I was making and that you are ignoring is that objects or things can be holy. The Ark was holy. It was a holy relic. If they touched it, they would die. They needed to carry it on poles or staffs. In other words, God can make things holy or divine. We are not sure how God does this. We just know that He can do so. So if the woman with the issue of blood believed that some garment on Jesus could heal her, then how much more can his blood heal and or cleanse us?
 
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Jason, i'm sorry, i think you are taking the verses way too literal, and not applying a more figurative interpretation to the texts. I would never interpret Acts 20:28 to mean that the power of absolution was in the blood, the power was in his obedience unto death, it's clearly a metaphor as in; blood = death = obedience & faith, is it not?
Again, how can someone else's blood cleanse another's heart, or placate a righteous and holy God?

The requirement for blood was punitive, not cleansing, how in the world can it be any other way?
Hypothetically, if Jesus's blood was not drawn as in that he wasn't nailed to the cross but simply tied, and then died from fatigue or starvation, would his death be null & void and not sufficient to effectuate the atonement?
I can't imagine that it would not be!
The punishment for sin was death, someone had to die to pay the price, not to offer the ingredients necessary to absolve our sins. Adam was guilty not by eating an apple, but by disobedience, Christ rectified it with obedience, irrespective of the manner of death.
Thanks!
No. The blood of Jesus cleanses the saints from sin (1 John 1:7), gives the saints redemption (Ephesians 1:7), redeems the saints (1 Peter 1:18-19), justifies the saints (Romans 5:9), purifies the saints conscience of dead works to serve the living God (Hebrews 9:14), helps the saints to overcome the devil with it (Revelation 12:9-11).

In fact, Jesus was able to obtain eternal redemption for us by entering into the holy place (Heavenly Temple) by His blood (Hebrews 9:12). For Jesus' blood (i.e. God's blood) purchased the church of God (Acts 20:28). Jesus is now our Heavenly High priest between God the Father and man.

For without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin (Hebrews 9:22).