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kennethcadwell
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A Christian woman should not even be contemplating doing that, as abortion is a sin.
If she does not want to take care of the child there is always adoption available to give the child to one who will.
I know that their are situations like rape, and abuse, and so on, but the child should not pay for the other persons crime/sin.
If it is a matter of health, as in if the woman carries the baby to full term it would kill her. Then that is something they need to take in prayer to the Lord our God. For I can not answer that as one's life is not more valuable then another's.
If she does not want to take care of the child there is always adoption available to give the child to one who will.
I know that their are situations like rape, and abuse, and so on, but the child should not pay for the other persons crime/sin.
If it is a matter of health, as in if the woman carries the baby to full term it would kill her. Then that is something they need to take in prayer to the Lord our God. For I can not answer that as one's life is not more valuable then another's.
You are a Christian or you are not. There's no degrees to Christianity. If you confess Christ you are a Christian. Period, end of sentence. You're saved.
Now, things like sex and it's progeny are among the things that fall under the banner of "works". Make no mistake, we will stand before God and account for our works, and receive punishment or reward based thereon. But you'll still be 100% Christian either way. So the question you asked should be, is an abortion a work that as a Christian you will be held to account for before God? And the answer is yes, you will. For the reasons Kenneth above and others to follow I'm sure will share with you.
My niece put hers up for adoption right away; she got to have a part in choosing the new parents, the best in medical care for free, and it was really such a blessed event that to this day they all keep in touch and a couple times a year they'll all get together. I know maybe this is a rarity, and maybe not what you are looking for; the point is that there are loving situations available for children who for whatever reason cannot be raised by their birth parents. Sure it may take a little more effort to find than to get the abortion, but make the effort. Don't kill the kid because it's expedient. How you gonna 'splain that to God, my dear Christian sister?
Somewhere there's a couple who need but can't have a baby. Lord God, if it be Thy Will, may the twain meet. Amen
Now, things like sex and it's progeny are among the things that fall under the banner of "works". Make no mistake, we will stand before God and account for our works, and receive punishment or reward based thereon. But you'll still be 100% Christian either way. So the question you asked should be, is an abortion a work that as a Christian you will be held to account for before God? And the answer is yes, you will. For the reasons Kenneth above and others to follow I'm sure will share with you.
My niece put hers up for adoption right away; she got to have a part in choosing the new parents, the best in medical care for free, and it was really such a blessed event that to this day they all keep in touch and a couple times a year they'll all get together. I know maybe this is a rarity, and maybe not what you are looking for; the point is that there are loving situations available for children who for whatever reason cannot be raised by their birth parents. Sure it may take a little more effort to find than to get the abortion, but make the effort. Don't kill the kid because it's expedient. How you gonna 'splain that to God, my dear Christian sister?
Somewhere there's a couple who need but can't have a baby. Lord God, if it be Thy Will, may the twain meet. Amen
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Jacob_Fitzgerald
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I'm not going to answer your question directly, instead I am going to give you a verse which hopefully will give you some insight into what God thinks of unborn children.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
It's unfair to dictate what pregnant women should and shouldn't think about or consider, nor to try to tell pregnant women how they should view a situation. Ideally, we'd live in a world where there was never a need for such things as abortion, but it isn't such a world we live in, so if a woman, regardless of her religion, decides that's what she will do I consider it her prerogative. It's a hard enough thing to consider and a harder decision to make, and I defer to her better judgement and right to autonomy regarding whichever course of action she decides upon.
It isn't between her and I that bones should be picked about it; it's between her and her own deliberations, or, from the Christian perspetive, between her and God. As much as I mightn't like it or you mightn't like it, it really has absolutely nothing to do with you and I what a woman decides to do.
Someone does need to speak for the unborn child who has yet to have a voice.
But the question is "less of a Christian". I was driven to do a lot of sinful things that hurt others, yet I never had the sense that I lost the presence of Christ because I was taught I was under grace, not earning my way into His presence.
And it was because of His Spirit working upon me, I soon repented and realized the truth of what I needed to see.
I was not less of a Christian - just less of a person.
But the question is "less of a Christian". I was driven to do a lot of sinful things that hurt others, yet I never had the sense that I lost the presence of Christ because I was taught I was under grace, not earning my way into His presence.
And it was because of His Spirit working upon me, I soon repented and realized the truth of what I needed to see.
I was not less of a Christian - just less of a person.
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kennethcadwell
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You are not Christian so this is not for you to answer or criticize.
She was asking from a Christian perspective about abortion, not from a unbelievers perspective.
From a Christian perspective abortion is wrong because the bible says it is, as it is a sin to take an innocent life. To put an innocent baby to death is to inflict punishment and blame on that baby for what had happened. It was not the baby's fault, so why should it pay, and not let to live a full life. You call it dictate, but its called spare the life of an innocent.
Would you kill a whole group of people for the wrong doing of what 1 or 2 in that group did? If not, then why kill a baby for what it didn't do.
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psychomom
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psychomom
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i'm uncertain what you're thinking, but i do know there are times we feel we have just one choice,
as circumstances seem to dictate.
but, as what i hope will be an encouragement, in Christ we always have the choice to do
what our brand new hearts tell us is right.
many gracious blessings to you--
mother of six. ♥
I agree with RickyZ as he said "You are a Christian or you are not. There's no degrees to Christianity. If you confess Christ you are a Christian. Period, end of sentence. You're saved." I also agree with everything Joidevivre as usual. When we as Christians mess up we aren't less of a Christian but less of a person.
mthrof4, just take a look at and remember David's life from the bible. Even after committing murder and adultery he was still a man after God's own heart. Because he had such faith in God, loved God and His law, David was genuinely thankful to God and he was truly repentant.
How could David be considered a man after God's own heart?
You can use this as a reminder of David's life.
And there is always hope and support after an abortion happens. God is there willing and ready to forgive the moment you genuinely cry out to Him.
For those who have had an abortion, remember that the sin of abortion is no less forgivable than any other sin. Through faith in Christ, all sins can be forgiven (John 3:16; Romans 8:1; Colossians 1:14). A woman who has had an abortion, a man who has encouraged an abortion, or even a doctor who has performed one—can all be forgiven by faith in Jesus Christ.
Read more: What does the Bible say about abortion?
mthrof4, just take a look at and remember David's life from the bible. Even after committing murder and adultery he was still a man after God's own heart. Because he had such faith in God, loved God and His law, David was genuinely thankful to God and he was truly repentant.
How could David be considered a man after God's own heart?
You can use this as a reminder of David's life.
And there is always hope and support after an abortion happens. God is there willing and ready to forgive the moment you genuinely cry out to Him.
For those who have had an abortion, remember that the sin of abortion is no less forgivable than any other sin. Through faith in Christ, all sins can be forgiven (John 3:16; Romans 8:1; Colossians 1:14). A woman who has had an abortion, a man who has encouraged an abortion, or even a doctor who has performed one—can all be forgiven by faith in Jesus Christ.
Read more: What does the Bible say about abortion?
You can look at this the other way; why force a mother to give birth against her wishes to a rapist's child who raped her against her wishes? Isn't that wrong, too?
Yes, ideally, like I've said, there would be no abortions, I agree. However, what I am saying is that a woman should be (legally) able to choose, because abiding by Christian teachings must be a matter of choice, not a matter of force.
If a woman does not want to carry and give birth to a rapist's child I believe she should have the legal right to abortion, however, if she came to me and asked me 'what should I do?', I would present her with exactly the same argument as you've given me; ''Well, the child is just a child -- an innocent human being''. The raped woman was just an innocent human being, too, Kenneth, and neither forcing her to bear labour or aborting the innocent child make the situation any more right.
I can support a woman's right to choose her own path in circumstances like that, even if I harbour some aversion to the idea of abortion itself. And I can do so because I care about the innocent woman who has been put in that situation, and of course I care about the innocent child -- it saddens me to think of a child dying anywhere in any circumstances -- but it must be the woman's choice, otherwise we would be forcing women to bear children concieved against their wills and I think that is horrendous.
I think forcing them to bear those children is just as wrong as aborting the children; it's not an easy decision to make but women should have the right to make it themselves in such circumstances.
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kennethcadwell
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But once again she wanted a view point from a Christian perspective.
And as in a Christian perspective that is not forcing a woman to save an innocent baby's life, it is about showing love to the baby and not forcing punishment on it by taking its life for it was not at fault.
The baby did not rape her, but yet it still pays the consequence. That is not right, if she can not stand to look at the baby for what it would symbolize in bringing up the memory. Then give it up for an adoption, and let it still live a good life.
And I am sorry but if it is for like some reasons that woman are doing it now, and that is just for a job. Then specially no way. They have prison time for people to murder, but a woman can get away with murder just because it has not been born yet. That is just ridiculous, for it is still a living life inside them.
I agree with the last statement (highlighted), but again, I think that forcing a woman to give birth to a child (circumstances such a rape, sexual abuse etc) is just as morally wrong as aborting. I am not saying ''abort the child'', in fact, if a woman who was raped asked me for my advice I would say ''the child is innocent, should it pay for the crimes of another person?' What I am simply saying is that we should not force a raped woman to give birth; we should allow her choice.
Clearly the ideal choice is keep the baby and if necessary put it up for adoption, but we still must maintain the very element of choice which allows her to make that decision one way or the other. Do you understand what I mean?
I am not saying ''abort the child'', or ''a Christian woman should abort the child''. I am saying, we should legally allow raped or abused women to make the choice for themselves, and of course, if such a woman wanted my opinion, my opinion would be ''the child is innocent, just as you are''.
The choice to keep the child, for either a Christian or non-Christian woman, must actually be a choice they are allowed to make.
Two wrongs don't make a right human...we're talking about an innocent baby that has done nothing wrong. Why does the baby have to pay for the parent(s) mistake? Being raped and pregnant is s tragedy...but you can't sacrifice 9 months out of your whole life to give it up to a couple who would live to have a baby....how selfish...instead let's just kill it,much easier...People always use the lame excuse "well if she was raped", what does that have to do with the price of tea in China??? You don't murder babies,regardless of the circumstances...
Two wrongs do not make a right, you're absolutely correct, and that's why this is a very difficult dilemma. It is clearly wrong to legally force an innocent victim of rape or sex abuse to give birth to the child though labour, with all the mental and physical anguish that is bound to cause in such circumstances. It is also clearly wrong to abort the child.
That's why it has to be the mother's choice.
Well thats another kettle of fish. I don't agree with the right to get an abortion out of inconvenience. In the UK we have strict guidelines, an abortion can only be carried out legally; in cases of rape or sexual abuse; if the mother is under the age of consent (16); if there is a serious risk to the mother's life; if the child will be born with severe disabilities as such to be seriously handicapped (that doesn't include down's syndrome or such disabilities that are manageable).
I also don't agree with our current law that abortion can be carried out up to and including 23 weeks of pregnancy. That should really be reduced to around 16 weeks.
No doctor should be forced to kill a chid because the mum likes opening her legs too much and doesn't want to spoil her figure. That's the other end of this coin and that's why I think guidelines on restricting abortion are important, as well as, of course, condoms, contraception and trying to promote personal responsibility for pregnancies.
However, I'm pro-choice (see my previous posts). I just like to see things from all angles and make weighted conclusions.
No offense intended.
Very few women, have an abortion for petty reasons as the ones you have stated, imo !