Love fulfills the law

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Hizikyah said:
5586. pséphosStrong's Concordance

pséphos: a small smooth stone, a pebble​
Original Word: ψῆφος, ου, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pséphos
Phonetic Spelling: (psay'-fos)
Short Definition: a pebble, a vote
Definition: (a) a pebble, small stone, (b) hence, from their use in voting: a vote.



So am I missing something?
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I saw that you caught what I had seen when looking up the word stone there, I thought, "right on" because alot of people dont look lol

I wasnt really catching it either from the start, I still dont all the way.

Like it wasnt this thing that jumped out and shook me or anything.

I felt it should have though LOL
 
Mitspa said:
1Jo 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

No one can love until they first receive the ability from God....
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....this would mean that if I do not love God it's God's fault for failing to give me the ability to love.
 
SeaBass said:
....this would mean that if I do not love God it's God's fault for failing to give me the ability to love.
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I think it was cut short as sinners love those that love them so the ability to love is in people, but loving God comes by circumcision of the heart (by the Spirit) to love God, or as that which is called "the love OF GOD" shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost.

We dont love God is the majority of our problem, loving everyone and everything else seems more our kind of love.
 
InSpiritInTruth said:
Yes, but not everyone speaks with "the voice" Notice I didn't say "a voice." (smarty pants) :)
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Seriously, did you look it up yet though?

Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.

The word voice is psēphos, the only other place I found that is in Rev 2:17 linked to stone psēphos



Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will givehim a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

The defintion Hizikya shows pretty much

As I have strongs showing


  1. a small worn smooth stone, a pebble
    1. in the ancient courts of justice the accused were condemned by black pebbles and the acquitted by white
  2. a vote (on account of the use of pebbles in voting)

    The white being used in ancient courts to aquit one verses condemn one as there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ as well.


 
ISeeYou said:
We dont love God is the majority of our problem....
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According to Mitspa, people do not love God for God has failed to give them the ability to love.

IF God did not give me the ability to love him, how is that my fault?
 
SeaBass said:
According to Mitspa, people do not love God for God has failed to give them the ability to love.

IF God did not give me the ability to love him, how is that my fault?
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Where am I blaming you?

Im talking about the circumcision the LORD would do in the hearts, cutting the kind of love that is spoken of short

For example, the first commandment is

Mat 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Duet 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, TO LOVE the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Therefore

1John 4:19 We love him,because he first loved us.

The circumcision of Christ,

Shown as "the Love of God" shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost
 
ISeeYou said:
I saw that you caught what I had seen when looking up the word stone there, I thought, "right on" because alot of people dont look lol

I wasnt really catching it either from the start, I still dont all the way.

Like it wasnt this thing that jumped out and shook me or anything.

I felt it should have though LOL
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ISeeYou said:
Seriously, did you look it up yet though?

Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.

The word voice is psēphos, the only other place I found that is in Rev 2:17 linked to stone psēphos



Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will givehim a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

The defintion Hizikya shows pretty much

As I have strongs showing


  1. a small worn smooth stone, a pebble
    1. in the ancient courts of justice the accused were condemned by black pebbles and the acquitted by white
  2. a vote (on account of the use of pebbles in voting)

    The white being used in ancient courts to aquit one verses condemn one as there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ as well.


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OK yeah I always thought that but I thought maybe I had misunderstood the meaning but were on the same page! :)

great verse!
 
ISeeYou said:
Seriously, did you look it up yet though?

Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.

The word voice is psēphos, the only other place I found that is in Rev 2:17 linked to stone psēphos



Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will givehim a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

The defintion Hizikya shows pretty much

As I have strongs showing


  1. a small worn smooth stone, a pebble
    1. in the ancient courts of justice the accused were condemned by black pebbles and the acquitted by white
  2. a vote (on account of the use of pebbles in voting)

    The white being used in ancient courts to aquit one verses condemn one as there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ as well.


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I knew what you were talking about. Think about this, the Lord always shows the spiritual things in a natural way first. So when the Lord commanded to stone the sinners with stones in the Old Testament, what do you think that might have symbolized in light of your revelation about the voice?
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
I knew what you were talking about. Think about this, the Lord always shows the spiritual things in a natural way first. So when the Lord commanded to stone the sinners with stones in the Old Testament, what do you think that might have symbolized in light of your revelation about the voice?
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Well Paul is taking up a voice (a stone) against them to death, which could symbolize a black stone in that sense.

In Jesus Christ he gives a white stone (voice) and would make sense in that there be no condemnation in Him. And so even there could be shown a passing from death unto life or written in (so to speak) in the Lambs book of life given it speaks to the overcomer as does the book of life (and who is written therein). But its the way its written also, because I'll sit here and think, written in the voice? LOL See? I always have to sit with these things till my brain is flooded with other verses which wash over it to effect an answer that actually makes sense in the Spirit. (and that is what I am trying to wrap my brain around).
 
SeaBass said:
According to Mitspa, people do not love God for God has failed to give them the ability to love.

IF God did not give me the ability to love him, how is that my fault?
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Now why you want to sneak over here and say things I have never said... that's not very godly! I have said what the bible says...that we love God because He first loved us...our ability is based upon receiving first from God.....

And do you really think you love God without first knowing He loves you? Or even do you keep the first commandment to love Him will ALL YOUR HEART AND MIND AND MIGHT...all the time? No only when we receive from Him can we offer back to Him.
 
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ISeeYou said:
Where am I blaming you?

Im talking about the circumcision the LORD would do in the hearts, cutting the kind of love that is spoken of short

For example, the first commandment is

Mat 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Duet 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, TO LOVE the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Therefore

1John 4:19 We love him,because he first loved us.

The circumcision of Christ,

Shown as "the Love of God" shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost
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I am not saying you are blaming me, I am saying God is the one to blame if a person does not love for God failed to enable that person to love Him...according to Mitspa.


The only point I was making from Jn 14:15 is obedient works are necessary for one to love God.
 
ISeeYou said:
Well Paul is taking up a voice (a stone) against them to death, which could symbolize a black stone in that sense.

In Jesus Christ he gives a white stone (voice) and would make sense in that there be no condemnation in Him. And so even there could be shown a passing from death unto life or written in (so to speak) in the Lambs book of life given it speaks to the overcomer as does the book of life (and who is written therein). But its the way its written also, because I'll sit here and think, written in the voice? LOL See? I always have to sit with these things till my brain is flooded with other verses which wash over it to effect an answer that actually makes sense in the Spirit. (and that is what I am trying to wrap my brain around).
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You got it, it's right there in your statement, it has to with the 2 ministrations. 2 Corinthians 3:9 "For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2 Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
 
Mitspa said:
Now why you want to sneak over here and say things I have never said... that's not very godly! I have said what the bible says...that we love God because He first loved us...our ability is based upon receiving first from God.....

And do you really think you love God without first knowing He loves you? Or even do you keep the first commandment to love Him will ALL YOUR HEART AND MIND AND MIGHT...all the time? No only when we receive from Him can we offer back to Him.
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In your post #6 (in blue):

"No one can love until they first receive the ability from God....there is no boasting in the true gospel about how we love God......didn't work for Peter and I assure you it wont work for anyone else."

So you are saying I do not have the ability within myself to love but God must first enable me, give me the ability to love so if God does not give the ability to love whose fault is it that I do not love? It certainly cannot be mine.
 
ISeeYou said:
In Jesus Christ he gives a white stone
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Revelation 3:5, "He who overcomes, the same will be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from The Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His malakim."

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

Revelation 19:8, "And to them was granted that they should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white; for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."
 
SeaBass said:
In your post #6 (in blue):

"No one can love until they first receive the ability from God....there is no boasting in the true gospel about how we love God......didn't work for Peter and I assure you it wont work for anyone else."

So you are saying I do not have the ability within myself to love but God must first enable me, give me the ability to love so if God does not give the ability to love whose fault is it that I do not love? It certainly cannot be mine.
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Well as John said...if you don't have this love...you don't really know God.... I guess you have bigger issues that who you want to blame?
 
SeaBass said:
I am not saying you are blaming me, I am saying God is the one to blame if a person does not love for God failed to enable that person to love Him...according to Mitspa.


The only point I was making from Jn 14:15 is obedient works are necessary for one to love God.
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I dont do that blame God thing
 
InSpiritInTruth said:
You got it, it's right there in your statement, it has to with the 2 ministrations. 2 Corinthians 3:9 "For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2 Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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Thats good, I am getting somewhere (as slow as I am to do so) in these things

Give me time I'll punch through this thing lol
 
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