Get So Tired Of Arguing

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MadParrotWoman

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Honestly I do, I get tired of arguing with "Christians" who think it's ok to dismiss the OT and concern themselves only with the NT. Their favourite one is that Jesus never said Homosexuality was wrong so it must be ok. I ask them why women can't produce a child without a man being involved and why men can't give birth, I point out that God designed us the way we are because we needed the other. They don't answer that question - ever and go on to talk about hate. How is pointing out the truth in love hate? Their very salvation could depend on it - is it really worth it? I feel weary with constantly repeating myself - HELP! :(
 
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SparkleEyes

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Then stop arguing and let God take the issue up for a while. Take a vacation from getting worked up.
 
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AbbeyJoy

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Hi parrot, yeah people just don't get it...and I believe maybe because they have a family member who is gay or something.. and tried to say that it isn't wrong to just to please their family member..so idk ill be praying for them
 
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Elin

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MadParrotWoman said:
Honestly I do, I get tired of arguing with "Christians" who think it's ok to dismiss the OT and concern themselves only with the NT. Their favourite one is that
Jesus never said Homosexuality was wrong so it must be ok.
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All the NT is the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

The NT is clear in Ro 1:26-28 regarding practice of the detestable abomination (Lev 20:13)
which is the perversion of homosexuality.
 
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Sirk

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I personally don't know why we focus on the gay issue so much. Seems that it's just a symptom like every other sin issue. What difference is there on Gods eyes from smoking cigarettes to being gay?
 
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ardchoille

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What I do is to look at the situation. If someone is open and willing to learn and/or change, then I go out of my way to help them understand as best I can - even if this involves debate. However, if someone doesn't appear to want to learn or change, then I bid them a good day and walk away.

The way I see it is this; God will not override our free will. So, if we are to walk with Him, then we are not to override the free will of others. I see this as God leading my example, which He so often does. If someone wants to remain in sin then the only thing I can do is to leave it to God and pray for them.

Arguing with someone who isn't willing to learn or change serves only to waste resources that could be better utilized elsewhere.
 
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JustAnotherUser

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I suspect it's some New Age philosophy they try to convey while claiming that it's based off of Christianity. I've seen some facebook pages of this a long while back, while not knowing much better since I was still trying to find answers myself and people kept arguing over topics like homosexuality and that Jesus was bringing in something new than what the OT had.

Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

What does it mean to fulfill? I can't answer in its entirely since I'm starting/looking into a similar if not the same topic about such thing, but abolish is to eliminate and Jesus says that He didn't come to do that. That means that we're still needing to acknowledge the Laws made while knowing that it is what not ultimately makes us become saved (which is what the Jews believe) while believing in what Jesus did during His physical time here. We are to lead by Jesus' example to understand what Christianity is about and if we are to take word for word on this, we have to know what Jesus even said that His purpose was for and what it's not for. We can't ignore any of what we claim is sent from God, otherwise it wouldn't make us Christians or Jews if we don't believe in the foundations of the belief.

As said above, it's probably people who want to justify their own widely-ranged and even accepted understandings and likely have no idea what they're claiming to be or they refuse to follow everything that they claim to believe, which makes them hypocrites, liars and even referred to as bastards (not necessarily in a physical content, but spiritual) in God's eyes.
 
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1still_waters

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MadParrotWoman said:
Honestly I do, I get tired of arguing with "Christians" who think it's ok to dismiss the OT and concern themselves only with the NT. Their favourite one is that Jesus never said Homosexuality was wrong so it must be ok. I ask them why women can't produce a child without a man being involved and why men can't give birth, I point out that God designed us the way we are because we needed the other. They don't answer that question - ever and go on to talk about hate. How is pointing out the truth in love hate? Their very salvation could depend on it - is it really worth it? I feel weary with constantly repeating myself - HELP!
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It's ok to step away.-^
I doubt there is anything obligatory about arguing about this stuff to this level.



Step out and grab something to eat, go relax.

 
Joidevivre

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Even Jesus left towns when they did not receive His words. Even told the disciples to wipe the dust of that town off their shoes and leave. You will never convince those whose hearts are closed. Only the Holy Spirit can do that.

But, gal, I must hand it to you.... you keep trying.
 
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psychomom

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give them Grace?

the Grace of God in the Gospel, that is. :)

 
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Sirk

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Who knows the difference between grace and mercy?
 
T_Laurich

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Luke 16, Jesus shares an story of two men...
When one man asks Abraham to go and warn his family on Earth that God is real, Abraham replies "They have Moses and the prophets".

Now this is Jesus saying, that we are given these men to show us God...
So in other words, these men (prophets) are to show us what God desires and wants...

So Jesus is saying, that everything they said is what God has said...

Now we look at Leviticus 20:13-15... It condemns Homosexual activity...
If they argue, this is the OT and we are under grace, Romans 1:26-27 condemns homosexuality.

If they then say "BUT JESUS NEVER SAID!" You can explain, Paul was Ordained by Christ Himself, He is Christs mouth, hand, and feet... In Luke16 is explains that men like this are your warning from God... If you do not obey Jesus, and wish to continue to spit in his face, and keep the world over Him... Then I will pray for you...


IMO that is my logical progression whenever people say
"BUT JESUS NEVER SAID HOMOSEXUALITY IS BAD!"
 
Pemican

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There's no rule that says you have to respond
to everything you could say something about.

I look at a lot of Bible Discussion posts and think,
"This guy really doesn't get it." He's never really
been taught any in-depth theology. He's probably
never been under any form of sound and authoritative
teaching, (He's his own authority). To correct him, I'd
have to post so much stuff, and prove every iota,
and it would take forever. In the end he probably
wouldn't change his position anyway. So I leave
him to his folly.

It's like ... every time you speak up here you are
opening a new can of worms. Every word invokes
new issues. And I could explain and answer a lot
of questions ... but I don't have the time or energy
to deal with the ones who only want to argue.
 
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oldthennew

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Elin said:
All the NT is the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

The NT is clear in Ro 1:26-28 regarding practice of the detestable abomination (Lev 20:13)
which is the perversion of homosexuality.
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you are so right, Elin,

Jesus Christ is The Word, both OT and NT - 'all things were made by Him and for Him....'

1PETER 1:11.
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

one thing that all of Christ's prophets have in common, the Spirit of Christ.

ROMANS 8:9.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 
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GaryA

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Pemican said:
There's no rule that says you have to respond
to everything you could say something about.

I look at a lot of Bible Discussion posts and think,
"This guy really doesn't get it." He's never really
been taught any in-depth theology. He's probably
never been under any form of sound and authoritative
teaching, (He's his own authority). To correct him, I'd
have to post so much stuff, and prove every iota,
and it would take forever. In the end he probably
wouldn't change his position anyway. So I leave
him to his folly.

It's like ... every time you speak up here you are
opening a new can of worms. Every word invokes
new issues. And I could explain and answer a lot
of questions ... but I don't have the time or energy
to deal with the ones who only want to argue.
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"Sounds very familiar..." ;)

:)
 
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