It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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Thought 4 The Night
1 Pet 1:3ff
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance
incorruptible, and
undefiled, and that
fadeth not away,
reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are
guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials, 7 that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ: 8 whom not having seen ye love; on whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice greatly with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
1 Pet 1:3ff
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance
incorruptible, and
undefiled, and that
fadeth not away,
reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are
guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials, 7 that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ: 8 whom not having seen ye love; on whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice greatly with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
C
What I posted to you was correct grammar of those verses that I gave -- but what you're doing is coming back with verses that are conversations between, Jesus or Paul or others from Acts that are to an INDIVIDUAL or a Church that the Apostle was familiar with, as Galatia, etc. ... and you only quote one verse and never full context and Never a COMMAND that's found in the N.T. besides 'maybe' you might claim 'love' - but as far as living a life of His love for all mankind and especially the household of faith - are you really? Only you can answer that -- as well as the rest of us.
Look at your verses in your reply to me ... they are all to certain individuals or to a group known to the writer of the Epistle and you should be able to see that those lines do not apply to all --- as we can't predict who among us may fall from believing or faith before they die or who have made just a confession of faith but they weren't sincere at all at the time or it was just a mental assent and not from their heart - as Paul did mention that many will and Jesus also declared so.
And you cannot say that you've never heard or known of anyone that fell away from faith in Christ or you're living in a very protected world of your own out there somewhere.
Your one liners don't convince anyone but those that already are one-liner-believers as well. Pick & choose only your favorites and drop the rest - even if it is half of the book.
You Don't and Can't Quote The Whole of The New Testament and neither can those that agree with you and that's rejecting The Word of God.
I, as well as the others, Do believe and have posted that we Know that we are Saved by Grace through Faith - BUT with that grace and faith comes OBEDIENCE TO ALL OF THE WORDS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
Since you enlarge your font, change colors & go bold - I have to capitalize etc to try to show you what you are bucking against....
YOU ARE KICKING AGAINST ANY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT ["THE WORD OF GOD"] THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH "WORKS, OBEDIENCE or COMMANDMENTS" - EVEN THOUGH, THOSE TYPE VERSES ARE EASILY HALF OF THE NEW TESTAMENT AND NOT JUST ALL CORRECTIONS AGAINST GOING BACK UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES FOR JUSTIFICATION - BUT IT ALSO CONTAINS NEW TESTAMENT 'COMMANDS' - COMMANDMENTS - WORKS AND OBEDIENCE POINTED RIGHT AT US - "BELIEVERS" - THOSE ALREADY SAVED AND THOSE ARE THE VERSES THAT YOU HAVE SPIT-OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, MIND, SPIRIT AND LIFE, HERE ON THIS FORUM -- SO YOU'VE THROWN AWAY "THE WORD OF GOD" AS A WHOLE AND THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS FOR ANYONE OF US TO DO -- BECAUSE HE 'IS' THE WORD OF GOD AND REJECTING 'HIS' WORDS IS REJECTING HIM!
Damnable heresy that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude, James and Peter all told & warned us about.
Nothing new under the sun.
Slice and dice the New Testament and just keep what parts you like, despite that every Word in it is HIS.
Senseless to force this topic any longer when it's HIS WORDS that are being sliced, diced & disposed of.
Look at your verses in your reply to me ... they are all to certain individuals or to a group known to the writer of the Epistle and you should be able to see that those lines do not apply to all --- as we can't predict who among us may fall from believing or faith before they die or who have made just a confession of faith but they weren't sincere at all at the time or it was just a mental assent and not from their heart - as Paul did mention that many will and Jesus also declared so.
And you cannot say that you've never heard or known of anyone that fell away from faith in Christ or you're living in a very protected world of your own out there somewhere.
Your one liners don't convince anyone but those that already are one-liner-believers as well. Pick & choose only your favorites and drop the rest - even if it is half of the book.
You Don't and Can't Quote The Whole of The New Testament and neither can those that agree with you and that's rejecting The Word of God.
I, as well as the others, Do believe and have posted that we Know that we are Saved by Grace through Faith - BUT with that grace and faith comes OBEDIENCE TO ALL OF THE WORDS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
Since you enlarge your font, change colors & go bold - I have to capitalize etc to try to show you what you are bucking against....
YOU ARE KICKING AGAINST ANY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT ["THE WORD OF GOD"] THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH "WORKS, OBEDIENCE or COMMANDMENTS" - EVEN THOUGH, THOSE TYPE VERSES ARE EASILY HALF OF THE NEW TESTAMENT AND NOT JUST ALL CORRECTIONS AGAINST GOING BACK UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES FOR JUSTIFICATION - BUT IT ALSO CONTAINS NEW TESTAMENT 'COMMANDS' - COMMANDMENTS - WORKS AND OBEDIENCE POINTED RIGHT AT US - "BELIEVERS" - THOSE ALREADY SAVED AND THOSE ARE THE VERSES THAT YOU HAVE SPIT-OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, MIND, SPIRIT AND LIFE, HERE ON THIS FORUM -- SO YOU'VE THROWN AWAY "THE WORD OF GOD" AS A WHOLE AND THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS FOR ANYONE OF US TO DO -- BECAUSE HE 'IS' THE WORD OF GOD AND REJECTING 'HIS' WORDS IS REJECTING HIM!
Damnable heresy that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude, James and Peter all told & warned us about.
Nothing new under the sun.
Slice and dice the New Testament and just keep what parts you like, despite that every Word in it is HIS.
Senseless to force this topic any longer when it's HIS WORDS that are being sliced, diced & disposed of.
M
OSAS is not true....because its clear that a person that turns from grace back to be justified by the law is in danger of perdition and worse that that...they cannot be restored after they have tasted to goodness of God and reject that goodness.
Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
M
Well if they have the real grace of God cannot do these things...its impossible because God only gives grace to the humble...Grace is the Spirit...the Spirit of Grace...you cannot have it and be in the pride and lust of the flesh.
No what a believer who does these things needs is to know the true grace of God...not some doctrine in a religious group.
No what a believer who does these things needs is to know the true grace of God...not some doctrine in a religious group.
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we are saved by grace...which is offered to all men....some receive it in vain....
Ephesians 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
2 Corinthians 6:1
We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
Ephesians 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
2 Corinthians 6:1
We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
Luke 11:28
"But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of Yah and observe it."
James (Yaaqob) 1:12
"Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which Yah has promised to those who love him."
Revelation 1:3
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Revelation 22:7
"Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
But you seem to they are say cursed....
"But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of Yah and observe it."
James (Yaaqob) 1:12
"Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which Yah has promised to those who love him."
Revelation 1:3
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Revelation 22:7
"Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
But you seem to they are say cursed....
A
Again, I must reveal exactly who in the Ephesian church Paul was writing to:
1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
to the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
And ditto to the faithful ones in the church at Colossae.
From the whole of the NT, you need to resolve what being "faithful" means.
Does it mean just to have received the indwelling Holy Spirit?
Or, does it mean something more than just being a BAC?
How about being faithful to the sayings, teachings, commands, etc. of Jesus, and Paul, and ...
1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
to the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
And ditto to the faithful ones in the church at Colossae.
From the whole of the NT, you need to resolve what being "faithful" means.
Does it mean just to have received the indwelling Holy Spirit?
Or, does it mean something more than just being a BAC?
How about being faithful to the sayings, teachings, commands, etc. of Jesus, and Paul, and ...
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