Rupert Murdoch: All Muslims must be held responsible for French attacks

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By taking careful aim and exercising good trigger control. The Holy Bible does not consist of one verse taken out of context. Risking one's own life to kill a murderer to prevent the murder of innocents is one of the most courageous and loving things a person can do.

"Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked." -Proverbs 25:26

As the eminent Biblical scholar and theologian Gleason L. Archer PhD wrote in the Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties:

"How could God be called 'good' if He forbade His people to protect their wives from ravishment and strangulation by drunken marauders, or to resist invaders who have come to pick up their children and dash out their brains against the wall? No policy would give freer rein to wickedness and crime than a complete surrender of the right of self-defense on the part of the law-abiding members of society.

No more effective way of promoting the cause of Satan and the powers of hell could be devised than depriving law-abiding citizens of all right of self-defense. It is hard to imagine how any deity could be thought 'good' who would ordain such a policy of supine surrender to evil as that advocated by pacifism.

All possibility of an ordered society would be removed on the abolition of any sort of police force. No nation could retain its liberty or preserve the lives of its citizens if it were prevented from maintaining any sort of army for its defense. It is therefore incumbent on a 'good God' to include the right of self-defense as the prerogative of His people. He would not be good at all if He were to turn the world over to the horrors of unbridled cruelty perpetrated by violent and bloody criminals or the unchecked aggression of invading armies.

Not only is a proper and responsible policy of self-defense taught by Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, but there were occasions when God even commissioned His people to carry out judgment on corrupt and degenerate heathen nations and the complete extermination of cities like Jericho (cf. the article on "Was Joshua justified in exterminating the population of Jericho?" in connection with Joshua 6:21). The rules of war laid down in Deuteronomy 20 represented a control of justice, fairness, and kindness in the use of the sword, and, as such, they truly did reflect the goodness of God."

I certainly could add much more to explain why there is no dichotomy between loving an enemy and discharging one's responsibility to stop wickedness and hold wicked people accountable regardless of whether or not they are acting from a state of deception as in the case of Islamic extremists.

It's because I love that I will relent if they repent and surrender. It's because I love that I will accept them as brothers if they respond to the Gospel.

But I won't facilitate wickedness nor act cowardly or negligently because a liberal took a scripture verse out of context.


If you are to love your enemy, how do kill him?
 
We love our enemies don't we? Of course we do, we told to do so. We can do this because we are empowered by the Holy Spirit to do so... it's one of the proofs that we are true believers. If you are to love your enemy, how do kill him?

If the good people of this world lived the way you are prescribing there would be nothing good in the world..... it would be overrun with anarchy and death. You can't bribe the devil with a tootsie roll. He'll take your tootsie roll and then laugh at you.
 
"You can't bribe the devil with a tootsie roll." LOL. So true. He wants your life, your soul, and your family's too. But we've won this red herring debate many times on CC. There is no doubt that self-defense against evil is legitimized in scripture and natural law.

God permits life taking in self-defense ( Exod. 22:2 ), in capital punishment ( Gen. 9:6 ), and in just war (cf. Gen. 14:14–20 ). And when there is a theocratic command to do so, as in the case of Israel and the Canaanites, its moral justification is vouchsafed by God’s sovereignty.

In the New Testament, Jesus Himself nowhere circumvents the responsibility of the Christian to kill if necessary in self-defense and to protect innocents. In fact Jesus clarifies this in his Matthew 5:21 teaching by choosing a distinctive word (phoneuo) which means to murder not kill. Thayer (p. 657) states, it means "to commit murder." W.E. Vine (p. 291) states, "Pheneuo, to murder, akin tophoneus, a murderer." Etc... universal agreement on word usage.

As for Jesus choosing to lay down His own life for the good of many, Jesus was fulfilling a very specific cosmic mission to become "the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2) and allowed Himself to be arrested, tried, and executed by the Roman and Jewish authorities in a one-time historical event explaining "Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and He will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

Jesus fulfilling a specific mission to provide salvation for humanity does not translate to Jesus being a pacifist.

Just the opposite, He used His supernatural power to deliver his disciples from the soldiers in the garden allowing them to escape with their swords. He involved Himself in the affairs of other people to save them from violent death. On more than one occasion Jesus used His power in some way to simply walk through the midst of angry crowds intent on murdering Him.

Jesus "fought back" consistently against evil and when he formed a cords into whips and physically drove the money changers from the temple through the force of the whip He demonstrated that He would righteously exercise physical force to accomplish what the situation warranted.

Etc...

Anyone that truly wants to emulate Jesus won't be a negligent pacifist who assists Satan then justifies it by misinterpreting scripture.



If the good people of this world lived the way you are prescribing there would be nothing good in the world..... it would be overrun with anarchy and death. You can't bribe the devil with a tootsie roll. He'll take your tootsie roll and then laugh at you.
 
While I advocate an end to the immigration of all Muslims into Western nations and their repatriation as well as educating Muslims as to how and why Islam is a false religious fabrication, I do agree with you that holding innocent people accountable for what guilty people do is unbiblical and applicable to this example.


Rupert Murdoch wants to stir up racial/religious hatred.

My personal advice, don't just take orders from this evil man. Turn off his news programs and form your own opinion.

Rupert Murdoch: All Muslims must be held responsible for French attacks | SBS News
 
Saying it that way might seem a little folksy but just like the devil, the Islamists don't want your kindness, or to listen to reason or to negotiate the terms of your surrender. They want your unconditional surrender and that is what the world will eventually require of them. Just like the good lord will break satan in half and throw him on the burn pile.


"You can't bribe the devil with a tootsie roll." LOL. So true. He wants your life, your soul, and your family's too. But we've won this red herring debate many times on CC. There is no doubt that self-defense against evil is legitimized in scripture and natural law.

God permits life taking in self-defense ( Exod. 22:2 ), in capital punishment ( Gen. 9:6 ), and in just war (cf. Gen. 14:14–20 ). And when there is a theocratic command to do so, as in the case of Israel and the Canaanites, its moral justification is vouchsafed by God’s sovereignty.

In the New Testament, Jesus Himself nowhere circumvents the responsibility of the Christian to kill if necessary in self-defense and to protect innocents. In fact Jesus clarifies this in his Matthew 5:21 teaching by choosing a distinctive word (phoneuo) which means to murder not kill. Thayer (p. 657) states, it means "to commit murder." W.E. Vine (p. 291) states, "Pheneuo, to murder, akin tophoneus, a murderer." Etc... universal agreement on word usage.

As for Jesus choosing to lay down His own life for the good of many, Jesus was fulfilling a very specific cosmic mission to become "the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2) and allowed Himself to be arrested, tried, and executed by the Roman and Jewish authorities in a one-time historical event explaining "Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and He will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

Jesus fulfilling a specific mission to provide salvation for humanity does not translate to Jesus being a pacifist.

Just the opposite, He used His supernatural power to deliver his disciples from the soldiers in the garden allowing them to escape with their swords. He involved Himself in the affairs of other people to save them from violent death. On more than one occasion Jesus used His power in some way to simply walk through the midst of angry crowds intent on murdering Him.

Jesus "fought back" consistently against evil and when he formed a cords into whips and physically drove the money changers from the temple through the force of the whip He demonstrated that He would righteously exercise physical force to accomplish what the situation warranted.

Etc...

Anyone that truly wants to emulate Jesus won't be a negligent pacifist who assists Satan then justifies it by misinterpreting scripture.
 
No worse....islam is a plague that needs eradication...and if muslims are attached to islam in anyway, which they are...they should be deleted as well. end of story.
 
No worse....islam is a plague that needs eradication...and if muslims are attached to islam in anymay, which they are...they should be deleted as well. end of story.

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"You can't bribe the devil with a tootsie roll." LOL. So true. He wants your life, your soul, and your family's too. But we've won this red herring debate many times on CC. There is no doubt that self-defense against evil is legitimized in scripture and natural law.

God permits life taking in self-defense ( Exod. 22:2 ), in capital punishment ( Gen. 9:6 ), and in just war (cf. Gen. 14:14–20 ). And when there is a theocratic command to do so, as in the case of Israel and the Canaanites, its moral justification is vouchsafed by God’s sovereignty.

In the New Testament, Jesus Himself nowhere circumvents the responsibility of the Christian to kill if necessary in self-defense and to protect innocents. In fact Jesus clarifies this in his Matthew 5:21 teaching by choosing a distinctive word (phoneuo) which means to murder not kill. Thayer (p. 657) states, it means "to commit murder." W.E. Vine (p. 291) states, "Pheneuo, to murder, akin tophoneus, a murderer." Etc... universal agreement on word usage.

As for Jesus choosing to lay down His own life for the good of many, Jesus was fulfilling a very specific cosmic mission to become "the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2) and allowed Himself to be arrested, tried, and executed by the Roman and Jewish authorities in a one-time historical event explaining "Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and He will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

Jesus fulfilling a specific mission to provide salvation for humanity does not translate to Jesus being a pacifist.

Just the opposite, He used His supernatural power to deliver his disciples from the soldiers in the garden allowing them to escape with their swords. He involved Himself in the affairs of other people to save them from violent death. On more than one occasion Jesus used His power in some way to simply walk through the midst of angry crowds intent on murdering Him.

Jesus "fought back" consistently against evil and when he formed a cords into whips and physically drove the money changers from the temple through the force of the whip He demonstrated that He would righteously exercise physical force to accomplish what the situation warranted.

Etc...

Anyone that truly wants to emulate Jesus won't be a negligent pacifist who assists Satan then justifies it by misinterpreting scripture.
Exodus 22:2 has nothing to do with self defense, it's contrast between a lost man and a saved

Exo 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
Exo 22:3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

If the thief dies there will no LAMB'S blood shed for him.... it's not talking about the blood of the guy that smote him. But if the Sun of Righteousness rises upon him, then the blood will be shed for him.

Can any of you interpret this verse??? I've read it over and over and just can't justify hating and wanting to kill Muslims. :)

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 
Exodus 22:2 has nothing to do with self defense, it's contrast between a lost man and a saved

Exo 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
Exo 22:3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

If the thief dies there will no LAMB'S blood shed for him.... it's not talking about the blood of the guy that smote him. But if the Sun of Righteousness rises upon him, then the blood will be shed for him.

Can any of you interpret this verse??? I've read it over and over and just can't justify hating and wanting to kill Muslims. :)

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Who hates? and who wants to kill but the monsters you seem to want to defend...now I have already proven in Gods clear and evident words of the New Testament that He upholds mans right and responsibility to use the sword against evil doers...and if you think Gods love allows killers to harm the weak...you have no real understanding of the mind of God or how His love works.

for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


Now clearly God upholds that the sword be used to "revenge" and execute wrath on the criminals... and those who go bring justice to these people are doing the work of God!
 
Who hates? and who wants to kill but the monsters you seem to want to defend...now I have already proven in Gods clear and evident words of the New Testament that He upholds mans right and responsibility to use the sword against evil doers...and if you think Gods love allows killers to harm the weak...you have no real understanding of the mind of God or how His love works.

for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


Now clearly God upholds that the sword be used to "revenge" and execute wrath on the criminals... and those who go bring justice to these people are doing the work of God!
I'm not defending Islam. I'm telling you it's wrong to want to kill a group of people, you are to love your enemy, not kill them. Trust me my friend, Islam will be the power in the United States in just a few years. That power is ordained by God and they will be His minister to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil... i.e. those who hate other people and want to kill them.

It is wrong to hate someone period... no matter what religion they are. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
 
... Jesus never physically defended himself, neither (apart from at the Olive grove, an event which Jesus cut short and wherein he taught against the use of violence) did any of his eleven disciples. Seems pretty conclusive to me that he was a militant pacifist - a person who wasnt just passive, but who deliberately refused to physically harm another person. Look at the man's actions:

Forgiveness
Not harming others physically
Not harming enemies
Not resisting arrest
Being beaten, flogged and crucified without resistance
Disallowing violence on his behalf
Disallowing his disciple to kill in order to save him
Never commanding violence toward another person
Stopping the stoning of the adulterous woman
Teaching respect for the poor
Medically helping others
Showing restraint and humility
Being very slow to anger in almost every circumstance (bar the gambling in the church, and even then, he only flipped tables).
 
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... Jesus never physically defended himself, neither (apart from at the Olive grove, an event which Jesus cut short and wherein he taught against the use of violence) did any of his eleven disciples. Seems pretty conclusive to me that he was a militant pacifist - a person who wasnt just passive, but who deliberately refused to physically harm another person. Look at the man's actions:

Forgiveness
Not harming others physically
Not harming enemies
Not resisting arrest
Being beaten, flogged and crucified without resistance
Disallowing violence on his behalf
Disallowing his disciple to kill in order to save him
Never commanding violence toward another person
Stopping the stoning of the adulterous woman
Teaching respect for the poor
Medically helping others
Showing restraint and humility
Being very slow to anger in almost every circumstance (bar the gambling in the church), and even then, he only flipped tables.

And if he wasn't those things then you couldn't refer to him as a sacrificial lamb now could you. By the sounds of it...when he returns He throws down the gauntlet. The truth about Him is that He will conquer, and conquering requires someone getting conquered. He sounds rather warlike to me.
 
Where is your source of truth? msnbc? Larry King? They are all liars to a degree....Rupert is probably more honest than the rest in his line of work?

You seem to have no idea. He owns 70% of the media in Australia. His media's lies are on display constantly and pointed out reguarly. Especially in recent days with supposed terrorist events here.

You obviously haven't followed the trials against his employees in the UK and him having to shut a 100 year old Newspaper down for the absolute disgraceful acts they perpetrated. Hacking the phones of victim's families, and even deleting the family members voicemail messages so they can gain access.

But by all means, keep holding him up as virtuous.

You need to look at what he's doing beyond your shores.
 
They all are responsible...
1. Have you ever heard a Islamic Congregation condemn what the "radicals" do?
2. Have you ever seen Muslims protest to stop the violence?
3. Have you ever seen Islamic people ask for forgiveness from what they have done?

1. Yes. It's reported widely and often.
2. Same as one. Yes.
3. No. I've seen the radicals proud of their actions and the moderates disassociate themselves from it. If you are a Protestant and think the Catholic church worships idols do you apologize for it? Or do you make your own personal feelings clear, that you don't believe Christians should do it?

There are roughly 1 and a half billion Muslims. If they were all radicals things would be even worse (a whole lot worse) than they are at the moment you can count on that. Judging them all based on the actions of a small percentage of them is not only foolish but it's not Christian.
 
Ever thought FOX was a weird name for a network... there is a reason. Fox and off are the only two words in the English language that in numerology add up to 666. Interestingly, Jesus called Herod a fox.

Luk_13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
 
1. Yes. It's reported widely and often.
2. Same as one. Yes.
3. No. I've seen the radicals proud of their actions and the moderates disassociate themselves from it. If you are a Protestant and think the Catholic church worships idols do you apologize for it? Or do you make your own personal feelings clear, that you don't believe Christians should do it?

There are roughly 1 and a half billion Muslims. If they were all radicals things would be even worse (a whole lot worse) than they are at the moment you can count on that. Judging them all based on the actions of a small percentage of them is not only foolish but it's not Christian.

But because only 1/3 of Muslims are radicalized it's not a big deal. Cuz 500 million bloodthirsty radicals is really no concern.
 
But because only 1/3 of Muslims are radicalized it's not a big deal. Cuz 500 million bloodthirsty radicals is really no concern.
Even if I accept your premise that an entire third of them are "bloodthirsty radicals" (which I don't but will for arguement sake) does it make it right for a Christian to condemn the other two thirds that aren't?
 
And if he wasn't those things then you couldn't refer to him as a sacrificial lamb now could you. By the sounds of it...when he returns He throws down the gauntlet. The truth about Him is that He will conquer, and conquering requires someone getting conquered. He sounds rather warlike to me.

So, regardless of the actual words and actions of the man, you think after his death he magically changed into the opposite of what he was his entire life, based on the teachings found within a book whose authorship thus authenticity can't be verified or agreed upon?
 
But because only 1/3 of Muslims are radicalized it's not a big deal. Cuz 500 million bloodthirsty radicals is really no concern.

If there were 500 million bloodthirsty radicals America wouldn't exist.