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Gandalf
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I agree with you. But that is not what you said in your first post my friend. If you look at Peter and Paul you can see that they didn't always see eye to eye but I don't think that Peter went to hell as a result of that. Peter was fixed on Yeshua's teachings and not Paul's. We should follow Yeshua and not Paul. Paul was only a vessel (just like you and me) but if I don't want to read Paul's teachings I am not going to hell as a result because Paul's teaching are also clear to see in the rest of the Bible.
LOL so I guess you are saved by the grace of Paul then?no my friend, even without Paul you can still get to know Yeshua the Messiah and you will be ok...
One thing all parties involved in these arguments should remember is that Abba Father warns us not to add or take away from His Word.
An excellent quote. To hear some of these wags speak NO ONE could be saved before Paul came on the scene and afterwards, everyone should just ear out every book from the Bible that didn't have Paul as an author.
Hmmm, and Hebrews is one of my favorite books along with Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Naw, this thread is about protecting YOUR "truths", plain and simple. Anytime you must attack someone to protect your "truths", I become very suspicious.
I am a big boy and can read ANYONE's writings and through the guidance of the Holy Spirit discern if they teach the truth. I really don't need your censorship to protect me.
Originally Posted by ChristIsGod
Exactly .... Throwing Paul under a bus seems to be getting lost with this OSAS debate again.
The OP and most posts are in opposition of coming against Paul and as ISeeYou has said - "throwing a GOD Chosen Apostle under a bus" as in getting us to believe that the writings of Paul are not to be taken seriously and I wonder where you all have been that don't realize that this is what has happened this week.
I've also seen this way of teaching on the internet for the 12 yrs that I've been on it. From Messianic Groups to Hebrew Roots Movement groups.
This is not the argument about OSAS - Kenneth and all - this is someone that is literally saying that Paul contradicts himself, is not to be trusted, and is posting in so many words that the Apostle Paul was a fraud.
If it were my dearest friend on earth - if I saw that I can't convince them otherwise - then I have to tell them that they've gone way too far and are in serious danger to defame an Apostle chosen by Christ - struck down on his way to Damascus and given charge to be the Apostle to the Gentiles and wrote almost 14 books of our N.T..
The Apostle that suffered more in the flesh then any of the others until he was finally killed in Rome.
And not only that - but as soon as you accuse any books of the Bible to be written in error - you've opened a door to those less learned to begin to think that the whole of God's Word is not to be taken seriously as it has errors in it.
Could we Please get off of the topic of OSAS and get to the topic that this is about --- it's about throwing Paul out of the N.T. and I don't care who the person is that does this - they are dangerously wrong to have done so and a danger to others that are trying to believe in the innerancy of the Scriptures and can put doubt in the young in Christ that the Bible as we have it is not Divinely Inspired.... so then where do they turn for TRUTH?
Paul was a special man in more ways than one could list in a post. Specially chosen to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles though he himself at one time was a Pharisee. The man had incredible wisdom and could speak to the Greeks as well as the Jews and Gentiles.
Throwing Paul out is throwing out the heart of the Gospel to the Gentiles and the same man that said that he would be willing to GO TO HELL for his fellow Israelites.
Stay on topic here - this is an important topic and "ISeeYou" even gave a link to one of the places that has thrown out Paul and why they have - because they've gone back under the law of Moses - not the law of Christ.
Frustrating when others don't read posts but comment anyway and take the thread far off topic.
I wouldn't care if it were a light topic - but this topic is another form of the Falling Away that Christ spoke about BY PAUL and Peter was rebuked for this topic BY PAUL.
The two extremes - far to one end of the spectrum is antinomianism and the other extreme is going back under the letter of the law and not understanding the spirit of the law that Christ brought and making it law to call God and Jesus by their Hebrew Names ... as if we can reach every nation on earth with differing languages and make them stop calling Jesus - Yesu in Africa, etc. etc.
Do you think that we should disregard Paul or not? Are you going to believe that Paul preached ERROR or not? That's what this thread's about --- and not the OSAS topic again.
And are you going to believe, that you're sinning if you don't use the Hebrew Names for God or Jesus or Christ?
Far extremes on this forum and this is just the opposite extreme of "do as thou wilt and you'll still be saved"... that even the Reformed Theology folks do not preach!
Just bumping your post up for the third time,
Do you believe the words of Jesus to be true when he said Paul was a chosen vessel by Him to preach the gospel to the Nations. Also, do you believe these words of Paul to be true in Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
Actually, there is a third side, I believe that a person can repent of murder and not lose their salvation. I also believe that a person can choose a lifestyle of sin and be condemned to the Lake of Fire.
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Gandalf
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What law is Paul referring to? The Torah or the Tanakh? You see Paul kept two laws and normally when Paul is telling you about not keeping the law he is referring to Jewish law (Tanakh), but without understanding that I can give you evidence that Paul is contradicting himself because in one place he tells you to keep the law and here he tells you the law is not important.
Did I say that? I believe in every word of God, including those Paul spoke by the Spirit of Truth.
Wow, what a stretch. I believe Paul and if you would bother to check my history here, you would see that I quote him as much or more than any of the authors of the Bible.
By the way, I believe Paul, I don't believe you.
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kaylagrl
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I'm not saying you sneeze and you lose your salvation.God has great mercy and forgives.But the Bible does not say you can continue to live in sin and be saved and go to heaven.Sorry thats what I would say if this was indeed a thread about OSAS. 