Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

[GrandHoboMaster]

Well my brother in Christ, Russia does not fit the bill of Babylon either as Revelation says that the antichrist destroys Babylon. But Russia (Magog) still exists after this, and after the antichrist and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire by the Lord.

Moscow is destined to be destroyed, while the rest of the country (biggest in the world) could bring forth whatsoever army.

Still, it was known from the begining (from apostolic times) that the official capital of Antichrist kingdom (dining the 42 monthes of his global rule) will be Jerusalem, where he is to rebuild the Temple and where jews will proclaim him as Mosshiah.

 

[kennethcadwell]

1. Where do you get your information?
2. Rome destroyed his own people in the day of Christ, He will destroy Anyone who does not bow down to him, whether they are his people or not.
3. Daniel spoke of 4 world empires (beasts) Babylon, Media Persia, Greece and Rome. The 4th would be split into two areas.
4. The 4th beast was in power in Johns day, We are told it would suffer a fatal wound (die as a power) and be risen from the dead, and given even greater power than it had before. We are told the people of the prince who will rule rome will make the covenant with the many, His people would destroy the city and temple (fulfilled in AD 70)

You must interpret scripture with scripture. the final roman empire (beast or antichrist) can not come from mecca, or iran or any other middle eastern nation, when scripture is clear it is Rome.

what does that have to do with anything? All Gentile kingdoms had their religious leaders or high priests or whatever you want to call it, Who said that he was going to destroy the false prophet? do you even read what I said?


Wrong, The roman church had over a 1000 years of killing them, up until the reformation they had the power of the church to kill any christian or jew they wanted, and no one could stop them, even after, they killed many jews and christans in parts of the world. they have killed 100s of times more thn islam has even thought of killing, Do you study much history?



what does this have to do with Gold Silver, precious stones, and the other things that John said in revelation she that the merchants sold to make her rich? Again do you read scripture.

You need to study more, Christianity is growing in leaps and bounds in India, China, and many other islamic nations, there are more churches being formed in these nations that there are in the free world. God is doing a mighty work. Just because a few fanitics go around blowing themselves up does not mean Islam is any major threat.

Gods true church has always flourished, God said the gates of hell will not overtake her. Nothing can stop his church, even in revelation, we see the 144000, the many people martyred for Christ, the people enduring to the end to go into the kingdom with Christ.

Why are you so afraid of some punk religious system?

I get my information from the bible.....

Revelation 9:14
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

(Verse 15) And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

(Verse 16) And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.


And I did not say that the anitchrist or the Roman empire will come from Mecca, go reread what I said. As what I said was that the newly revised holy Roman empire is being formed in the European union, and the anitchrist will take this empire and lead it against the home of the mother of all harlots (Saudi Arabia home of Islam and the mother city Mecca). The Roman empire is not going to destroy itself, as the pope will be the antichrist false prophet. So why would the false prophet side to destroy himself, he won't and is not destroyed as he is cast into the lake at the same time as the antichrist.

But the catholic church is not killing nobody now, and has not for a long time. I know they have a bad history about them, but the protestant church is just as guilty of slayings of the past. The only group killing tons of Jews and Christians, and have been doing it for many years now including today is Islam. Yes I do study history, and to believe that the catholic church has killed more than Islam I think you got a faulty reference.

And Saudi Arabia likes all those things in gold, sliver, and precious stones, as well as a lot of other things they have to buy from other places because they have very little resources of their own. The only commodity they do have that all nations have really gotten rich off of is oil, and I believe that would destroy the economy system more than vatican city being destroyed.

And you say punk religious system, but what you don't understand is they have the backing from China, Russia, and Iran.............
All three of those countries have warned the U.S. to stay out of the middle east affairs.

 

[Hizikyah]

Nope it is not New York.

Part of that post had a mix of my words and another members words in my "quote", NP just stating because I did not say, "Babylon could be New York!! It sits on seven hills also many business, political agendas, and banking."

I wrote:

"satan>Jerusalem>Rome>Mecca>bankers in London>bankers in NY>continually>down>the>line>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Revelation 13:7
"Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,""

 

[kennethcadwell]

Moscow is destined to be destroyed, while the rest of the country (biggest in the world) could bring forth whatsoever army.

Still, it was known from the begining (from apostolic times) that the official capital of Antichrist kingdom (dining the 42 monthes of his global rule) will be Jerusalem, where he is to rebuild the Temple and where jews will proclaim him as Mosshiah.

The antichrist does not rebuild the temple, he desecrates it by standing in it and claiming to be God.
Before this happens the Jews rebuild it, and return to daily sacrifices in which the antichrist then puts an end to after 3 1/2 years and stands in the Holy of Holies claiming the abomination.......
When this happens the Jews in Judea are told to flea, because this is when the major slaughtering of Jews and Christians will take place. The final 3 1/2 years of GT.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Moscow is destined to be destroyed, while the rest of the country (biggest in the world) could bring forth whatsoever army.

Still, it was known from the begining (from apostolic times) that the official capital of Antichrist kingdom (dining the 42 monthes of his global rule) will be Jerusalem, where he is to rebuild the Temple and where jews will proclaim him as Mosshiah.

How could it be Jerusalem. Romes center of power was never jerusalem.

He confirms a covenant with Isreal. so his center of power can not be in israel

Yes he commits the abomination. He mocks God. it does not mean his place of power is there.

 

[john832]

Part of that post had a mix of my words and another members words in my "quote", NP just stating because I did not say, "Babylon could be New York!! It sits on seven hills also many business, political agendas, and banking."

I wrote:

"satan>Jerusalem>Rome>Mecca>bankers in London>bankers in NY>continually>down>the>line>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Revelation 13:7
"Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,""

I know you know who Babylon really is. The post was not at you my friend.

 

[john832]

The antichrist does not rebuild the temple, he desecrates it by standing in it and claiming to be God.
Before this happens the Jews rebuild it, and return to daily sacrifices in which the antichrist then puts an end to after 3 1/2 years and stands in the Holy of Holies claiming the abomination.......
When this happens the Jews in Judea are told to flea, because this is when the major slaughtering of Jews and Christians will take place. The final 3 1/2 years of GT.

He may even rear up the old statue of Jupiter Olympus. The one that has the toes kissed off of the foot.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I get my information from the bible.....

Revelation 9:14
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

(Verse 15) And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

(Verse 16) And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

I read scripture too. Nothing here says this is the antichrist, or the kingdom of the 4th beast. Thats pushing it a little don't you think?

And I did not say that the anitchrist or the Roman empire will come from Mecca, go reread what I said. As what I said was that the newly revised holy Roman empire is being formed in the European union, and the anitchrist will take this empire and lead it against the home of the mother of all harlots (Saudi Arabia home of Islam and the mother city Mecca). The Roman empire is not going to destroy itself, as the pope will be the antichrist false prophet. So why would the false prophet side to destroy himself, he won't and is not destroyed as he is cast into the lake at the same time as the antichrist.

Thats interesting, since both Iran and Russia will take her armies against the antichrist and jerusalem and be destroyed by God himself (the first great battle which precedes armageddon.

again like I asked, where do you get your information?

But the catholic church is not killing nobody now, and has not for a long time. I know they have a bad history about them, but the protestant church is just as guilty of slayings of the past. The only group killing tons of Jews and Christians, and have been doing it for many years now including today is Islam. Yes I do study history, and to believe that the catholic church has killed more than Islam I think you got a faulty reference.

lol. No, You have a faulty reference if you think Islam has killed more than the roman church. again where do you get your info from.

ps. Who cares if they are not killing anyone now. You did not ask that, You said Islam killed far more than they did which was my point.

And Saudi Arabia likes all those things in gold, sliver, and precious stones, as well as a lot of other things they have to buy from other places because they have very little resources of their own. The only commodity they do have that all nations have really gotten rich off of is oil, and I believe that would destroy the economy system more than vatican city being destroyed.

yeah,

but the world LOVES the catholic church. IT HATES islam.

again do you read? the harlot has MANY signs as to who she is, These signs do not resemble Islam. or saudi arabia or anyone. Thats like saying the US is the harlot. Thats a joke. the world will chear when we are destroyed, as they will chear when Islam is destroyed.News flash. ALL RELIGIONS WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE ANTICHRIST. He will not be preaching ISLAM He will be preaching HIS OWN RELIGION.

And you say punk religious system, but what you don't understand is they have the backing from China, Russia, and Iran.............
All three of those countries have warned the U.S. to stay out of the middle east affairs.

Yep. and yet we still kill hundreds. If we would fight the war like all wars have ever been fought, there would be no islam today.

Again, where do you get your info

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

The antichrist does not rebuild the temple, he desecrates it by standing in it and claiming to be God.
Before this happens the Jews rebuild it, and return to daily sacrifices in which the antichrist then puts an end to after 3 1/2 years and stands in the Holy of Holies claiming the abomination.......
When this happens the Jews in Judea are told to flea, because this is when the major slaughtering of Jews and Christians will take place. The final 3 1/2 years of GT.

Most of the saints (christian fathers - writers of early church) and the early christian verbal tradition had pointed that very Antichrist will rebuild the Temple (on moria mount) and for sake of that he will be glorified by jews as Mosshiah. (As apostol told in II Thessalonians 2:4)

Yet if you see inside the judaic society you will see directly - they even now are ready to proclaim as Mosshiah whatsoever political leader who rebuild for them the Temple

 

[john832]

Most of the saints (christian fathers - writers of early church) and the early christian verbal tradition had pointed that very Antichrist will rebuild the Temple (on moria mount) and for sake of that he will be glorified by jews as Mosshiah. (As apostol told in II Thessalonians 2:4)

Yet if you see inside the judaic society you will see directly - they even now are ready to proclaim as Mosshiah whatsoever political leader who rebuild for them the Temple

Frankly, my friend, the early Christian writers you speak of and Catholic church tradition is less than meaningless to me. It contradicts scripture.

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

How could it be Jerusalem. Romes center of power was never jerusalem.

He confirms a covenant with Isreal. so his center of power can not be in israel

Yes he commits the abomination. He mocks God. it does not mean his place of power is there.

So imagining yourself to be (already saved) Christian, you does not realise that the place and city where Christ was been crucified is the most sacred and significant in whole univers????

Still apostolic traditions points to Jerusalem (as the capital of antichrists kingdom), and no wonder that in the capital the main enemies of the beast (two witnesses) will be executed and throun into steets

 

[kennethcadwell]

I read scripture too. Nothing here says this is the antichrist, or the kingdom of the 4th beast. Thats pushing it a little don't you think?
Thats interesting, since both Iran and Russia will take her armies against the antichrist and jerusalem and be destroyed by God himself (the first great battle which precedes armageddon.

again like I asked, where do you get your information?lol. No, You have a faulty reference if you think Islam has killed more than the roman church. again where do you get your info from.

ps. Who cares if they are not killing anyone now. You did not ask that, You said Islam killed far more than they did which was my point. yeah,

but the world LOVES the catholic church. IT HATES islam.

again do you read? the harlot has MANY signs as to who she is, These signs do not resemble Islam. or saudi arabia or anyone. Thats like saying the US is the harlot. Thats a joke. the world will chear when we are destroyed, as they will chear when Islam is destroyed.News flash. ALL RELIGIONS WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE ANTICHRIST. He will not be preaching ISLAM He will be preaching HIS OWN RELIGION.

Yep. and yet we still kill hundreds. If we would fight the war like all wars have ever been fought, there would be no islam today.

Again, where do you get your info

I did not say this was the antichrist or the Roman empire, I was responding to how the 200 million man army does not come from the Roman empire. It is a whole separate unity.

Yes the bible does say the antichrist takes the Roman empire to destroy Babylon;

Revelation 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

And the Gog and Magog war is separate from the 200 million man army as well, there are multiple wars mentioned throughout Revelation. Not just the common two that people have limited down to as in Armageddon and the Gog and Magog war. Revelation also along with other scriptures point out a WW3 that takes place first. Where do you get that the Russians and Iran go against the antichrist ????

They come up against Jerusalem yes, but not the antichrist, as he is taken out of the way before this by the Lord. Satan himself brings them up against the Lord and Jerusalem. (Revelation 20:8)

Islam has been killing Jews and Christians by the 100's every year for many years now............

You never did watch the video I gave did you, as it shows exactly how Saudi Arabia and its capital Mecca fits every single description given by the bible........


The problem is you are only looking at it from the Islamic aspect.
If Saudi Arabia is destroyed in a nuclear attack, there goes the biggest supply of oil that the world depends on scaring the crap out of people on how they are going to live from here.
We do not have an all out war effort on the ground over there though right now, that will change if one of these republicans I have seen like Jeb Bush or Romney get into office. WW3 here we come................

 

[kennethcadwell]

Most of the saints (christian fathers - writers of early church) and the early christian verbal tradition had pointed that very Antichrist will rebuild the Temple (on moria mount) and for sake of that he will be glorified by jews as Mosshiah. (As apostol told in II Thessalonians 2:4)

Yet if you see inside the judaic society you will see directly - they even now are ready to proclaim as Mosshiah whatsoever political leader who rebuild for them the Temple

He will sign a treaty with them, yes.
But I have not seen to many scholars and writers of the early church that claim he will be the one to rebuild it as you claim. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 does not say the Jews will glorify him for rebuilding the temple, it is talking about when he goes in an desecrates it.................

 

[Sophia]

Please keep this down. It is true, but also not helpful.
This only causes divisions, as many have been given a burden for the souls of the Jewish people, and it has yet to be revealed to them any more about the Jews other than their promises and need of Christ.

This teaching is not one that must be shared from the rooftops, as it will be made plain soon enough.
Just declare the salvation of Christ, and His teachings in righteousness.
The only point is identifying the harlot before her time is to be able to say "I told you so", which helps no one.
Only evangelism and discipleship are going to make a difference, as it is only by the Blood of the Lamb, and the word of our testimony, that we overcome.

I don't fully understand what your 1st point is, but I guess I can understand... If you are referring the the scroll being sealed up for a future time? I just don't want to see people blindly aiding the building of an antichrist kingdom, while thinking they are building the Kingdom.

I will take your advice, but with one post first:
Rome serves Jerusalem, as Catholicism is a daughter of the Pharesees.
Islam serves Jerusalem, as Islam is the daughter of the Saducees.
The US serves Jerusalem, and proves it by the "made in USA" stamps on her guns and missiles, and by our constant aid to her diplomatic relations and economy.

The power of Jerusalem is in her history, and in her future, and ALL these are seduced by her. Her hidden power over them will be revealed before the end, and the nations will submit to her under a false peace. Before the end, the beast will turn against her, and tear her to shred. Yes, Babylon will be destroyed for a third time, but this time it will be both physical AND spiritually.

The woman is a harlot and full of abomination BECAUSE she was the holy city, but is no longer. She serves a false god, and is the mother of all religions that profane the name of the Lord: speaking as if He is theirs, while they serve another!

Rome (and the rest of the world system) is the Beast,
and Judaism (the Jerusalem below) is the Harlot which will ride upon the beast out of the wilderness and to economic and religious supremacy during the 7 years.
The Saints (the Jerusalem above) will be saved from the nations when they come to war against them.

For the sake of your consciences, this will be my last post about it.

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

I did not say this was the antichrist or the Roman empire, I was responding to how the 200 million man army does not come from the Roman empire. It is a whole separate unity.

Yes the bible does say the antichrist takes the Roman empire to destroy Babylon;

Revelation 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

And the Gog and Magog war is separate from the 200 million man army as well, there are multiple wars mentioned throughout Revelation. Not just the common two that people have limited down to as in Armageddon and the Gog and Magog war. Revelation also along with other scriptures point out a WW3 that takes place first. Where do you get that the Russians and Iran go against the antichrist ????

They come up against Jerusalem yes, but not the antichrist, as he is taken out of the way before this by the Lord. Satan himself brings them up against the Lord and Jerusalem. (Revelation 20:8)

Islam has been killing Jews and Christians by the 100's every year for many years now............

You never did watch the video I gave did you, as it shows exactly how Saudi Arabia and its capital Mecca fits every single description given by the bible........


The problem is you are only looking at it from the Islamic aspect.
If Saudi Arabia is destroyed in a nuclear attack, there goes the biggest supply of oil that the world depends on scaring the crap out of people on how they are going to live from here.
We do not have an all out war effort on the ground over there though right now, that will change if one of these republicans I have seen like Jeb Bush or Romney get into office. WW3 here we come................

Sorry, but it only your own defenition.
There are NOT AT ALL words Roman Empair in the scriptures, but John only described that the ten horns (kings) of the beast will destroy the New Babylon as God put them into their hearts (Rev 17:16-17)

If whosoever in the forum does not hear to the voice of the early saints (calling it catholic lie contrare to scriptures), it is only due his own position (outside of the Holy Christian Church).

Still, brother, if you look inside the Scriptures, you will see that the New Babylon is the motherland of two beast and begining of antichrist kingdom, while Jerusalem is the Capital of own global superstate of Antichrist (as both Daniel and John reveled it to us).

Antichrist is the false Mosshiah (pseudo-Messiah = fake Christ), a man coming in his own name who will be accepted by Jews (as the Lord predicted them). So only Jerusalem could be his capital.

And early christians knew it for sure (from apostols of Jesus, - so called verbal tradition)

 

[kennethcadwell]

I don't fully understand what your 1st point is, but I guess I can understand... If you are referring the the scroll being sealed up for a future time? I just don't want to see people blindly aiding the building of an antichrist kingdom, while thinking they are building the Kingdom.

I will take your advice, but with one post first:
Rome serves Jerusalem, as Catholicism is a daughter of the Pharesees.
Islam serves Jerusalem, as Islam is the daughter of the Saducees.
The US serves Jerusalem, and proves it by the "made in USA" stamps on her guns and missiles, and by our constant aid to her diplomatic relations and economy.

The power of Jerusalem is in her history, and in her future, and ALL these are seduced by her. Her hidden power over them will be revealed before the end, and the nations will submit to her under a false peace. Before the end, the beast will turn against her, and tear her to shred. Yes, Babylon will be destroyed for a third time, but this time it will be both physical AND spiritually.

The woman is a harlot and full of abomination BECAUSE she was the holy city, but is no longer. She serves a false god, and is the mother of all religions that profane the name of the Lord: speaking as if He is theirs, while they serve another!

Rome (and the rest of the world system) is the Beast,
and Judaism is the Harlot which will ride upon the beast out of the wilderness and to economic and religious supremacy during the 7 years.

For the sake of your consciences, this will be my last post about it.

It is not Jerusalem though as the antichrist does not destroy Jerusalem, so that is one biblical fact that does not fit.
The next is the fact that the bible says that the Jews will come back to realize Jesus as their Messiah when He returns. Showing Jerusalem still standing, and this is also where the Lord rules during the millennial reign. You have to have all the pieces of the puzzle to fit, and this also goes to say that Jerusalem also is not a major sea port city. Rome and the Vatican does not fit either because neither is the Vatican a major sea port city. New York is a major sea port city, however the U.S. has tons of its own resources and does not have to import much. The only place that has to import almost all of its goods is Saudi Arabia, the home of the biggest oil supply of the world. And the capital city Mecca which stands for mother. Please watch the video I gave previously in this blog.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Sorry, but it only your own defenition.
There are NOT AT ALL words Roman Empair in the scriptures, but John only described that the ten horns (kings) of the beast will destroy the New Babylon as God put them into their hearts (Rev 17:16-17)

If whosoever in the forum does not hear to the voice of the early saints (calling it catholic lie contrare to scriptures), it is only due his own position (outside of the Holy Christian Church).

Still, brother, if you look inside the Scriptures, you will see that the New Babylon is the motherland of two beast and begining of antichrist kingdom, while Jerusalem is the Capital of own global superstate of Antichrist (as both Daniel and John reveled it to us).

Antichrist is the false Mosshiah (pseudo-Messiah = fake Christ), a man coming in his own name who will be accepted by Jews (as the Lord predicted them). So only Jerusalem could be his capital.

And early christians knew it for sure (from apostols of Jesus, - so called verbal tradition)

The book of Daniel gives more insight into the system made up of the 10 nations/kingdoms, and most to all biblical scholars from the early church to now place the 10 kingdom nation that follows the antichrist of that of the Roman empire. So no I am not alone in this interpretation, and if you look at what is happening in the world today you would see that this empire is on the rise again in the European union.

 

[Ukorin]

There are 2 Babylons. The Economic Babylon and the Spiritual Babylon. Babylon has changed it's physical (economic) location many times, but never changed it's spirit. Think: tower of Babel, city of Babylon, 2nd city of Babylon, Jerusalem, Rome, Constantinople, Vienna/Versailles, Mecca, Moscow, New York, Hollywood, London, Berlin...

This debate is useless, because all and none of you are correct.
Identify the spirit of Babylon, and you will be able to recognize it, regardless of location, when it comes to the end.

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

The book of Daniel gives more insight into the system made up of the 10 nations/kingdoms, and most to all biblical scholars from the early church to now place the 10 kingdom nation that follows the antichrist of that of the Roman empire. So no I am not alone in this interpretation, and if you look at what is happening in the world today you would see that this empire is on the rise again in the European union.

OK
Let be so.

Do you know as russians are used to call Moscow during last 400 years???? As THIRD ROME = They use such definition from times of John the Terrible.

But why you suppose Russia is not the the New Babylon Empair upon the fact that New Babylon City is to be destroyed (while russia is Magog)???

Do not you know that Moscow (great city) is only relatively small territory (like Canadian Calgary) on face of really biggest country in the world????

Do not you see also that Rome in Italy is not at all a centre of Greatest Country????

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Antichrist is the false Mosshiah (pseudo-Messiah = fake Christ), a man coming in his own name who will be accepted by Jews (as the Lord predicted them). So only Jerusalem could be his capital.

And early christians knew it for sure (from apostols of Jesus, - so called verbal tradition)

Hi, GrandHoboMaster.

Yes, the Antichrist will ultimately establish his palace in Jerusalem, even as the prophet Daniel foretold:

Daniel chapter 11

[41] He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
[42] He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
[43] But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
[44] But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
[45] And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

From the templemount.org website:

Moving Towards a Third Temple

As a religious center Jerusalem remains sacred to (and fought over by) all three monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. It is an open secret that the Pope aspires to set up his world headquarters there, having claimed for many years that the Holy Land has all along really been under Roman Catholic "stewardship."

...and "set up his world headquarters there" eventually he will.

Yes, while many here are busy buying oil in Mecca and shopping in NYC with the aid of their seeing eye dogs, the "woman", JERUSALEM, will be "sitting on the beast", Papal Rome/the Vatican...just as the Bible foretells.