Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

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Ukorin

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esoteric (inner doctrine at the top ) and exoteric (outer doctrine at the bottom)...

hegelian dialectic... (create 2 falsehood and let em go at each other...)
Much like the 2 party system in America... but I digress.
 
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Ukorin

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I personally think that is a valid and needed point in this discussion.
Not only are both sides authoritarian leaning, but their actual policy difference is negligible, only their talking points are different.
Party line fighting allows for executive orders.
I hate to fall into the slippery slope fallacy, but Roman Imperialism came out of in-fighting in the Senate that allowed for executive orders, and eventually an Emperor.

I view this as a political problem, not fulfillment of prophecy... although I could accept that interpretation as valid if it actually happens.
 

Hizikyah

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Not only are both sides authoritarian leaning, but their actual policy difference is negligible, only their talking points are different.
Party line fighting allows for executive orders.
I hate to fall into the slippery slope fallacy, but Roman Imperialism came out of in-fighting in the Senate that allowed for executive orders, and eventually an Emperor.
yep image of the beast....

capitoline hill - capitol hill....
 
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Q: Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

A: [video=youtube_share;62Qfbrc1jdo]http://youtu.be/62Qfbrc1jdo[/video]

Lolol, j/k.
 
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Not only are both sides authoritarian leaning, but their actual policy difference is negligible, only their talking points are different.
Party line fighting allows for executive orders.
I hate to fall into the slippery slope fallacy, but Roman Imperialism came out of in-fighting in the Senate that allowed for executive orders, and eventually an Emperor.

I view this as a political problem, not fulfillment of prophecy... although I could accept that interpretation as valid if it actually happens.
yep image of the beast....

capitoline hill - capitol hill....


Yes, but the U.S. is on its way out in a major decline and has already seen its highest and strongest point. On the other hand the EU is on a rise.
 

Hizikyah

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Yes, but the U.S. is on its way out in a major decline and has already seen its highest and strongest point. On the other hand the EU is on a rise.
I *think* it all a ploy, the dollar is "petroleum" based and it a fake dollar at ihat, its "printing press" based in reality, the military arm of the beast system will keep it "viable" for as long as need be, now this is not to say the people will not suffer, and decline in standard of living, but the military might will continue till the end of very close to... JMO.

Think about it every country that does not accept the "money changers" fractional reserve banking system gets............

well lets call it "Ghadaffi-ed"

 
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Ukorin

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Yes, but the U.S. is on its way out in a major decline and has already seen its highest and strongest point. On the other hand the EU is on a rise.
The EU has a very unstable economy at best. If we were going to go on predicting economics... oh wait, all attempts at predicting economics have failed. No one expected America to grow so fast in the 1900s, and no one expected China to ever return to be a world leader, and no one predicted the economic rise and fall of Russia. Nations rise and fall. Cities are built and abandoned.
Economies change quickly. Do not base prophecy interpretation on present economy. Things can change in days, never mind years.
Base it on the things that don't change, like the spirit of lawlessness.
 
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Radical Islam is of the Muslims who have been at war with the Jews and have killed 1,000's of people between the Jews and Christians in past years. Islam will never confirm to a one world religion that the anitchrist will lead, so it will have to be destroyed.
Closer to millions.......for centuries.
Billions of followers since it's creation?
A percentage only "radical" ...potat-o, pota-toe....still wrong.
Those radicals are still bent on destroying Christians in every form.
You can bet the farm, that God has something to say about the second biggest (non Bible based) religion to have ever existed!

Don't underestimate Islam and all it's "little" names, to be some flash in the pan, fruit punch, Sunday meetings, basement cult.

They may not be The Great Babylon, ....but they are definitely mentioned in the Bible brother.
It's not Saudi Arabia either though Kenneth.
That's just an odd guess. You're the first and only one I've ever heard go with that one.
 
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If you still think Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem, I can't help you.
I don't think that "MYSTERY BABYLON" is Jerusalem. I know that "MYSTERY BABYLON" is Jerusalem and I've already documented why.

As far as your "help" is concerned, "help" yourself. Better still, cry out to God and He'll help you to see how miserably wrong you are.
 

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[video=youtube_share;p5JEpxHqEIg]http://youtu.be/p5JEpxHqEIg[/video]
 

PlainWord

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The 200 million man army is not God's army to go up against Satan's, He just uses the army to do His will. Just like He allows the antichrist to destroy Babylon. Notice He sends another angel to release the 4 that He had bound (kept in chains) at the river tell the time had come to use them.
I hear this argument about the Angels holding back the 200 million army being evil because they are
bound." The 4 "bound" angels that are released does not mean they are evil. It means they are being restrained/put off/delayed. That is all it means. It doesn't mean these are bad angels who have been imprisoned. Even if they are bad and do evil, clearly they are exacting God's will which you acknowledged. God is sending (or allowing) them to kill the Muslim world - those who have been worshiping the BEAST and ISLAM. That is the main point I am trying to make.

The 6th Trumpet is divine punishment on evil people only. Since this is from God, it is part of God's Wrath which means it comes after Satan's Great Tribulation and in response to it. The 6th Seal, 6th Trumpet and 6th Bowl all describe the same event - Armageddon.
 

PlainWord

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Unless the world wide religion is Islam!
It is a new form of ISLAM, the radical killing kind that it is becoming. The Christian world will be nearly completely eradicated/killed. We know this!! We are shown this. The Great Tribulation is all about the slaughtering of Believers. Once most of the Christians have been killed, the #1 dominant religion will be ISLAM (in whatever form it takes). Those left will convert or be killed - most will convert.
 
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kennethcadwell

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I hear this argument about the Angels holding back the 200 million army being evil because they are
bound." The 4 "bound" angels that are released does not mean they are evil. It means they are being restrained/put off/delayed. That is all it means. It doesn't mean these are bad angels who have been imprisoned. Even if they are bad and do evil, clearly they are exacting God's will which you acknowledged. God is sending (or allowing) them to kill the Muslim world - those who have been worshiping the BEAST and ISLAM. That is the main point I am trying to make.

The 6th Trumpet is divine punishment on evil people only. Since this is from God, it is part of God's Wrath which means it comes after Satan's Great Tribulation and in response to it. The 6th Seal, 6th Trumpet and 6th Bowl all describe the same event - Armageddon.

No they are clearly bound at the river, not just restrained.
If the angels were from God, they would have been sent directly from heaven and not another one sent to release them. This can not be God's army going against just evil and Islam, as the bible shows that the Lord when He comes back brings His soldiers with Him. And this is another separate event that happens before His return.
 
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Closer to millions.......for centuries.
Billions of followers since it's creation?
A percentage only "radical" ...potat-o, pota-toe....still wrong.
Those radicals are still bent on destroying Christians in every form.
You can bet the farm, that God has something to say about the second biggest (non Bible based) religion to have ever existed!

Don't underestimate Islam and all it's "little" names, to be some flash in the pan, fruit punch, Sunday meetings, basement cult.

They may not be The Great Babylon, ....but they are definitely mentioned in the Bible brother.
It's not Saudi Arabia either though Kenneth.
That's just an odd guess. You're the first and only one I've ever heard go with that one.

I don't under estimate Islam, and if I am the first that has mentioned Saudi Arabia as Babylon then you need to get into more studies. For I have found a number of new studies done, including the video I gave previously, on how Saudi Arabia fits. The bible speaks of the false prophet that forces others to worship the antichrist, and within the revised Roman empire that the bible shows to be his main ruling center. The pope of catholic church fits better than Islam, as the Roman empire and pope has always been together. And with Islam having their main area being Saudi Arabia, the antichrist would have to destroy it to let his one world religion take place.
 
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Ukorin

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Islam is certainly part of the prophecy, but not the whole. Widen the lenses. The beast is not one horned, and the woman is mother of more than just terrorism.
 

john832

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Look at the verses in Revelation 13 I gave;


Revelation 13:11-14





The Beast from the Earth
11Then I saw another beast scoming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, twhose deadly wound was healed. 13 uHe performs great signs, vso that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 wAnd he deceives 6those who dwell on the earth—xby those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword yand lived.





OK, since when does Islam speak as Christ? They call Christ a prophet but not the Lamb of God.
 

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Catholics and "protestants" (aka protesting Catholics)
 

john832

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Catholics and "protestants" (aka protesting Catholics)
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

A whore and her protesting harlot daughters.