A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?

[notuptome]

Why? Are women not worthy? Are they lesser beings??

No suggestion of any such thing. Only that God does not call and anoint women to pastor churches.

You may as well ask why Messiah was a first born male and not a female child. It's one of those issues where that's the way God chose to do it. End of story. No argument and no debate. God spoke and all the earth rejoiced to hear His word.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JackH]

then you get witchcraft preacherettes like Joyce Meyer, Paula white, Beth Moore... etc.

You must prefer the likes of Jim Bakker, Kent Hovind, Jimmy Swaggart . . . etc.

 

[Utah]

Play nice children. Judgment begins at the house of God. If you will not submit to Gods pattern and go about to establish your own then consequences must follow.

If a day should come where the church I attend adopt a woman pastor I will be compelled to find another assembly to join. Actually if they start to go that direction I will be long gone before it happens.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Check out post #76. I'm sure its something to which you are well aware.

 

[JackH]

Only that God does not call and anoint women to pastor churches.

God called a woman, Deborah, to pastor a nation.

What law do you suppose "judging" at that time was based upon?

At that time there was no separation of church and state.

 

[Mitspa]

What 'Law' of Apostle Paul are you talking about and where is the Scripture quote.

And everyone, 'honesty' from all of us, comes from a deceiving heart, including 'me'. But Scripture as it is written and all of them in the Holy Bible, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT in understanding complied as 'sound doctrine knowledge', which is SPIRIT/spiritual to the 'body of CHRIST', justifies all, to defeat the 'evidence' of carnality and it's fruits and it's form of 'opinion', thinking' and 'traditions', introduced by the 'doctrine' of ignorant men, according to the 'flesh/carnality', remain as 'babes in CHRIST', that we have been led into until today.

Please do not be deceived and because of Grace and Truth and the gifts placed in us, in 'humble' and 'humility' 'love' them and 'pray' for them and 'forgive' them.

After all, they are one of us, and we are no better than them in 'practices'.

Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

what do you mean ..what law? the law is the old testament...its all considered the law.

 

[Mitspa]

Is 'self' righteousness of carnal/flesh and it's 'passions' and 'desires', a 'sweet smelling incense' burn in 'action faith', in the 'Temple of GOD', to GOD, and at all honoring CHRIST of the New Covenant and partly according to Galatians chapter 5 onwards?

According to the New Covenant of the 'Law of CHRIST', GOD Himself requires, 'true worshipers to worship HIM as the FATHER who art in Heaven, in 'spirit' and 'truth'.

And CHRIST have left us with these spoken and written 'Spiritual legacy' of the 'New Testament of the Kingdom of GOD', in 'one order' for us to 'abide', first in 'sound doctrine knowledge', only taught by the Helper/ Comforter/Teacher's 'Help', who is to all of us who 'believe'. the;

'HOLY SPIRIT'.

Whom i, my 'self'. am grieving HIM, in carnality/flesh everyday.

Yea I can see you grieving the Lord everyday .

 

[notuptome]

God called a woman, Deborah, to pastor a nation.

What law do you suppose "judging" at that time was based upon?

At that time there was no separation of church and state.

God has established a pattern of order in the church. Shall we seek to make a different pattern for the sake of a very few exceptions?

God calls all Christians to be witnesses and to disciple others but God only calls and anoints men to pastor the local churches. If you have a problem with that take it up with God. I'm only telling you what He has said in His word.

We live in an age when culture has more influence on the church than the church has on the culture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Mitspa]

God has established a pattern of order in the church. Shall we seek to make a different pattern for the sake of a very few exceptions?

God calls all Christians to be witnesses and to disciple others but God only calls and anoints men to pastor the local churches. If you have a problem with that take it up with God. I'm only telling you what He has said in His word.

We live in an age when culture has more influence on the church than the church has on the culture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes its a clear and evident pattern that no one should deny...but just like a family that does not have a father...the Lord does not leave the family without a head. Can we look at the scriptures and say that God would never call a woman to a place of authority? No I don't think that's honest. In fact a close reading of Pauls words would show that he himself allows that a woman that meets certain standards will be delivered from the transgression of Eve.

 

[elf3]

When we read in 1 Timothy where Paul talks about the leadership roles in the church he does not use the word "commandment" a single time. We take this and make it a commandment. Not to mention that only God and Jesus have ever given a commandment and when they did it was always directly to someone or a group of people. The Holy Spirit has never made a single commandment. Why? The Holy Spirit works "in" the Christian not "to" the Christian.

Not to mention the fact that a woman preaching isn't a sin in any way shape or form. But legalism will make it a sin.

 

[notuptome]

Yes its a clear and evident pattern that no one should deny...but just like a family that does not have a father...the Lord does not leave the family without a head. Can we look at the scriptures and say that God would never call a woman to a place of authority? No I don't think that's honest. In fact a close reading of Pauls words would show that he himself allows that a woman that meets certain standards will be delivered from the transgression of Eve.

The fatherless and the widows were to be cared for by the church. Women are not to usurp the authority of men in the church and when they do so in the home there is strife.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

When we read in 1 Timothy where Paul talks about the leadership roles in the church he does not use the word "commandment" a single time. We take this and make it a commandment. Not to mention that only God and Jesus have ever given a commandment and when they did it was always directly to someone or a group of people. The Holy Spirit has never made a single commandment. Why? The Holy Spirit works "in" the Christian not "to" the Christian.

Not to mention the fact that a woman preaching isn't a sin in any way shape or form. But legalism will make it a sin.

And yet you expect God to bless that which He has not sanctified.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[elf3]

And yet you expect God to bless that which He has not sanctified.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You completely miss the point because you want to argue a legal point but miss the Gospel completely. GOD WILL USE WHO OR WHAT HE WANTS IN ANY WAY EVEN IF YOU DONT WANT TO HER A WOMAN PREACH! You all are so worried about a legalistic issue that has no bearing on our salvation. It's not a commandment for crying get out loud!!! If you want to follow it as a commandment fine go right ahead but sure as heck don't judge me because I would love to hear a God fearing God loving woman preach and pastor a church!!! How about we talk about the men pastors set up in HUGE churches preaching a false Gospel to put money in their pocket. Great they have 30,000 people who listen to crap but a woman who would preach the true Gospel of Christ? Nope not allowed sorry sister you should have been born a man. Boy aren't we a lovely bunch of "Christians".

 

[notuptome]

You completely miss the point because you want to argue a legal point but miss the Gospel completely. GOD WILL USE WHO OR WHAT HE WANTS IN ANY WAY EVEN IF YOU DONT WANT TO HER A WOMAN PREACH! You all are so worried about a legalistic issue that has no bearing on our salvation. It's not a commandment for crying get out loud!!! If you want to follow it as a commandment fine go right ahead but sure as heck don't judge me because I would love to hear a God fearing God loving woman preach and pastor a church!!! How about we talk about the men pastors set up in HUGE churches preaching a false Gospel to put money in their pocket. Great they have 30,000 people who listen to crap but a woman who would preach the true Gospel of Christ? Nope not allowed sorry sister you should have been born a man. Boy aren't we a lovely bunch of "Christians".

You are speaking from an emotional perspective. God does not operate outside of His word. God is never compelled to make a plan b. God does not need to compromise.

Elijah fretted and God showed him that God had seven thousand men who had not bowed the knee to Baal. 1 Kings 19:18

If you desire a woman to preach you have forgotten to trust God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Utah]

You completely miss the point because you want to argue a legal point but miss the Gospel completely. GOD WILL USE WHO OR WHAT HE WANTS IN ANY WAY EVEN IF YOU DONT WANT TO HER A WOMAN PREACH! You all are so worried about a legalistic issue that has no bearing on our salvation. It's not a commandment for crying get out loud!!! If you want to follow it as a commandment fine go right ahead but sure as heck don't judge me because I would love to hear a God fearing God loving woman preach and pastor a church!!! How about we talk about the men pastors set up in HUGE churches preaching a false Gospel to put money in their pocket. Great they have 30,000 people who listen to crap but a woman who would preach the true Gospel of Christ? Nope not allowed sorry sister you should have been born a man. Boy aren't we a lovely bunch of "Christians".

Now you've done it! You've brought to light male wolves in sheep's clothing. Ouch!!!

 

[Utah]

You are speaking from an emotional perspective. God does not operate outside of His word. God is never compelled to make a plan b. God does not need to compromise.

Elijah fretted and God showed him that God had seven thousand men who had not bowed the knee to Baal. 1 Kings 19:18

If you desire a woman to preach you have forgotten to trust God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Dear Brother, do you honestly feel God -- Eternal Creator and Master of all the Universe is confined to a book regarding His omnipotence? I hold the Bible as sacred, but do not believe God is limited to the written Word.

 

[JackH]

God has established a pattern of order in the church. Shall we seek to make a different pattern for the sake of a very few exceptions?

Did you ever think that God had a reason for the exceptions?

How has the world changed with respect to women since the time of Deborah, or from the time of Jesus?

Do you think there may have been a reason other than yours why women were not sent out as apostles at the time of Jesus?

 

[notuptome]

Dear Brother, do you honestly feel God -- Eternal Creator and Master of all the Universe is confined to a book regarding His omnipotence? I hold the Bible as sacred, but do not believe God is limited to the written Word.

God is going to do what He said He is going to do. God does not change. I do not limit God because you suggest God is able to do as He pleases. I will stand by the assertion that God does not need to do anything that He has not already told us He's going to do. God Himself has placed a very high premium on His word. All we are expected to do is trust Gods word.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Sirk]

Dear Brother, do you honestly feel God -- Eternal Creator and Master of all the Universe is confined to a book regarding His omnipotence? I hold the Bible as sacred, but do not believe God is limited to the written Word.

Your'e gonna have to splain this to me.

 

[notuptome]

Did you ever think that God had a reason for the exceptions?

How has the world changed with respect to women since the time of Deborah, or from the time of Jesus?

Do you think there may have been a reason other than yours why women were not sent out as apostles at the time of Jesus?

The world continues to get worse and worse but that is not new news. God does not change. God is not surprised by what is happening. God already knows the end from the beginning. When you understand the nature of God, the nature of man and the nature of woman you will understand why God anoints men to be pastors and not women. Not that God cannot but God has chosen not to because it please Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[elf3]

You are speaking from an emotional perspective. God does not operate outside of His word. God is never compelled to make a plan b. God does not need to compromise.

Elijah fretted and God showed him that God had seven thousand men who had not bowed the knee to Baal. 1 Kings 19:18

If you desire a woman to preach you have forgotten to trust God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Emotional? Not even close! Holy Spirit? Yeah for sure because you completely ignore the fact that God can speak through a woman.

Now this is emotional. Dude don't even try and tell me I don't trust God. You have no idea what I go thru every day with my disabilities. Trust God? oh yeah come here live my life constant pain 24/7 365 and let's see how you do. God is Sovereign above all in control of everything. Nothing you do or say can save you. ONLY the blood of Christ can justify you before God. Not baptism not works not even listening to a male pastor. Yeah I'm sorry I have no idea what trust in God is.

Oh yeah how about this and most will hate this one. God has an elect!. Yep God knows who and who will not go to heaven not a thing you or I do can change that. That's how much I trust God! So if I am among God's elect that's great. If I am not among God's elect then well God's will be done because I have complete total trust and faith in God.

So you and all your friends get off your little white horses and let God speak...NOT YOU!