Did the LORD Violate Human Free Will???
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Yes, as you have said, "the natural man"(carnal man) is not given the ability to know spiritual things until they first have been born of the Spirit. Once God has quickened the natural man or carnal man to life, Eph 2:1, he then has two natures living within him, the flesh and the Spirit, and Paul tells us that all of those that have been quickened to life have a warfare going on inside of them, the flesh against the Spirit. The carnal man cannot choose between the flesh and the Spirit because he only has one nature, the flesh.
You are without excuse. Jesus and the entire Bible never tolerated sin or gave anyone a license to sin or to not worry about sin in relation to their good standing with God. Anyone who has an ounce of morality to them knows that they do not need a Bible to know that bad guys do bad and good guys do good. You are only fooling yourself if you think 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 gives you an allowance or others to sin and still be saved. I don't care if you (and or others here) claim to live like a saint. If you teach that others can sin and still be saved, you will have their blood on your hands. Keep reading 2 Corinthians. Chapter 7, 12, and 13 make it impossible for your sin and still be saved doctrine to be true. Oh, and I am not talking about salvation by works like many works salvationists here. We are not saved by works. We are saved by God's grace and by the regeneration of the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:5). Holy living and works is just the proof that God lives within you. If a believer is living no different than the world and they are living for themselves and their sin, they are on the wide gate path and not the narrow gate path. Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits (i.e. bad fruit). If you teach we can sin and still be saved, then your basically calling Jesus a liar.
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"His own" here means all the Jews, the people of which he was born.
Also, keeping in mind the Jewish mindset and reference points of those to whom Jesus was speaking,
may I suggest that "world" is in contradistinction to Israel, that Jesus came to save people
from all nations of the world.
May I also suggest that those who denied Christ did not have true faith,
as those in Lk 8:13 did not have true faith, and for the same reason,
they had no root, they were not born again, they were just doing "religion." (Mt 7:21-23)
I don't think I understand what you are saying here,
for according to Jn 6:39-40, 10:28-29, Jesus loses none of whom the Father gives him,
and all whom the Father gives him will come to Jesus (Jn 6:37),
and all who come to Jesus and believe in him will have eternal life (Jn 6:40).
Likewise, according to Jn 10:26, the Jews rejected Christ because they were not his sheep;
i.e., not born again,
Peoples from the whole world believe in some kind of god,
but that does not mean rebirth of the Holy Spirit.
Only faith in Jesus Christ is the result of rebirth of the Holy Spirit.
Also, keeping in mind the Jewish mindset and reference points of those to whom Jesus was speaking,
may I suggest that "world" is in contradistinction to Israel, that Jesus came to save people
from all nations of the world.
May I also suggest that those who denied Christ did not have true faith,
as those in Lk 8:13 did not have true faith, and for the same reason,
they had no root, they were not born again, they were just doing "religion." (Mt 7:21-23)
I don't think I understand what you are saying here,
for according to Jn 6:39-40, 10:28-29, Jesus loses none of whom the Father gives him,
and all whom the Father gives him will come to Jesus (Jn 6:37),
and all who come to Jesus and believe in him will have eternal life (Jn 6:40).
Likewise, according to Jn 10:26, the Jews rejected Christ because they were not his sheep;
i.e., not born again,
Peoples from the whole world believe in some kind of god,
but that does not mean rebirth of the Holy Spirit.
Only faith in Jesus Christ is the result of rebirth of the Holy Spirit.
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The narrow path and the strait gate is the cross. The cross is that ravine that is deep and narrow and no man can come to the Father accept through the cross and the finished work that the cross represents. The strait and narrow is not morality, it is spirituality and it takes the Spirit through the blood of the cross for a sinner to have peace with God. Morality will never give you peace with God because it has no cross. Repentance of sin will never give you peace with God without a cross involved. The cross is where we were crucified with Christ and where we live by the faith of the Son of God who died and gave His life for us. The cross is where all our sins were transferred to His body and crucified.
Anything outside the narrow way and the strait gate of the cross, Christ's death, burial and resurrection, is a broad way (many ways to God) that does not lead us unto life, resurrection life. Many are called but few are chosen because of the strait gate and narrow way of the cross. Many believe the gospel and are saved but never take up a cross and follow Christ which lead unto experientially knowing Him in the details of life. Those who are lost and never enter in at the strait gate and narrow way of the cross are lead into the broad way that leads to destruction. There is a way that seems right unto them but the end thereof are the ways of death and destruction (Prov 14:12, 16:25).
We are not to be fooled by those who do not know the finished work and get into the fold some other way then through the door of the sheep as a thief and robber who comes forth to steal (or take away the doctrine of the finished work from the sheep through sowing leaven), to kill the (atoning work of the blood of Christ that has cleansed us from all sin), and to destroy the (capacity of the believer to walk by faith and grow in the grace of God rendering them useless and making them question the gift of God's great salvation through the finished work of the cross).
Anything outside the narrow way and the strait gate of the cross, Christ's death, burial and resurrection, is a broad way (many ways to God) that does not lead us unto life, resurrection life. Many are called but few are chosen because of the strait gate and narrow way of the cross. Many believe the gospel and are saved but never take up a cross and follow Christ which lead unto experientially knowing Him in the details of life. Those who are lost and never enter in at the strait gate and narrow way of the cross are lead into the broad way that leads to destruction. There is a way that seems right unto them but the end thereof are the ways of death and destruction (Prov 14:12, 16:25).
We are not to be fooled by those who do not know the finished work and get into the fold some other way then through the door of the sheep as a thief and robber who comes forth to steal (or take away the doctrine of the finished work from the sheep through sowing leaven), to kill the (atoning work of the blood of Christ that has cleansed us from all sin), and to destroy the (capacity of the believer to walk by faith and grow in the grace of God rendering them useless and making them question the gift of God's great salvation through the finished work of the cross).
WATCH FOR THE SEABASS "SO" THE BAZZFAZZ SO
Scripture is clear that all men in general are depraved (Romans 1-3). It is also clear that the virgin born Christ is an exception, not conceived in sin as was David. LIKE is not the same as SAME. Philip 2:7-8 says nothign about anyone being sinful. Totally irrelevant. Heb 2 says "like unto his brethren." Brethren does not imply sinner. But He did pay for the sins of the people. Your argument is bogus. Again we have the bogus SO used by Seabass where there is no logical inference.
Now sports fans, watch for the Seabass BOGUS "SO."
As Romans 8 says."For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: "
Flesh, human nature is sinful. Christ had the real Adamic nature which in all others is sinful. His human nature flesh was LIKE that of Adam & the rest of men, but not the SAME.
Hebrews 4 tells us:
15 For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. "
In the rest of men temptation finds a willing participant in their nature. Even in the born again Christian there is a traitor within, the old man flesh that say, "Yeah, do that" when tempted. But Christ never had any sin nature; his Adamic nature was not sinful. He never wished to do anything that displeased the Lord.
Scripture is clear that all men in general are depraved (Romans 1-3). It is also clear that the virgin born Christ is an exception, not conceived in sin as was David. LIKE is not the same as SAME. Philip 2:7-8 says nothign about anyone being sinful. Totally irrelevant. Heb 2 says "like unto his brethren." Brethren does not imply sinner. But He did pay for the sins of the people. Your argument is bogus. Again we have the bogus SO used by Seabass where there is no logical inference.
Now sports fans, watch for the Seabass BOGUS "SO."
As Romans 8 says."For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: "
Flesh, human nature is sinful. Christ had the real Adamic nature which in all others is sinful. His human nature flesh was LIKE that of Adam & the rest of men, but not the SAME.
Hebrews 4 tells us:
15 For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. "
In the rest of men temptation finds a willing participant in their nature. Even in the born again Christian there is a traitor within, the old man flesh that say, "Yeah, do that" when tempted. But Christ never had any sin nature; his Adamic nature was not sinful. He never wished to do anything that displeased the Lord.
Actually a Christian can be carnal. Romans 7 explains that. In Romans 7 we see 2 me's in conflict when a man is carnal sold under sin after the coming of the law. I was alive apart from the law (that must be a saved man); but when the law came sin revived & I died . . . I am carnal. The Spirit is not a nature of man, but the Holy Spirit who indwells the Christian. To be sure a saved man has the Old Man around giving suggestions (Gal 5).
But you are correct that the unsaved man has only 1 nature. When a saved man acts like an unsaved man, he is carnal.
But you are correct that the unsaved man has only 1 nature. When a saved man acts like an unsaved man, he is carnal.
read first john and see. yahshua shows how the one who is on the narrow way acts and lives and thinks and hopes,
and yahshua also shows the one who is following / abiding in him, what to do if he happens to sin.
yahshua also taught all of the apostles what to do if they sinned,
yahshua also taught all of the apostles what to do if a student of theirs sinned.
and yahshua also shows the one who is following / abiding in him, what to do if he happens to sin.
yahshua also taught all of the apostles what to do if they sinned,
yahshua also taught all of the apostles what to do if a student of theirs sinned.
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In answer to the OP: God can not violate something that is not a law.
God never "violates" free-will, because "free-will" is a fabrication of Greek philosophers,
bent on Zoroastrian dualism.
The concept of free-will is something exclusively out of the religion of the Chaldeans, which has infiltrated many religions.
Babylon mothers many many harlots.
God never "violates" free-will, because "free-will" is a fabrication of Greek philosophers,
bent on Zoroastrian dualism.
The concept of free-will is something exclusively out of the religion of the Chaldeans, which has infiltrated many religions.
Babylon mothers many many harlots.
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Oh, so it is okay if evil people just force their evil upon others? God just creates good people and also creates bad people? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Free will has to exist, if it does not then you can justify just about anything and say it is okay. If Free will did not exist then how do you believe God is good? Do you believe God deliberately created all the evil you see in the world today? How can the Judgment not be a farce or joke if God was the one who made them that way?
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Keeping 1 Cor 2 IN CONTEXT, spiritual men were those chosen by God to miraculously receive miraculous words from the Holy Spirit, wrote those words down so the rest of us can read and understand EPh 3:3,4. These spiritual men were the inspired writers of the bible, there are no spiritual men today receiving inspired words and writing those words down for the rest of us for the bible has been perfected. completed some 2000 years ago. The natural man, as all are today, does not have this gift of inspiration therefore does not receive revelatory words from the HS but can read and understand those words written down by the spiritual, inspired writers of the bible.
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