'First human' discovered in Ethiopia

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
May 4, 2014
288
2
0
#21
So the suggestion is that primitive humans, among other things, had teeth that were in proximity to one another as opposed to "hominids" or pure apes, is that right? OK, Liza, then take a look at these:


...What? I'm specifically referring to how various criteria -- the size of the molars, their relation to one another on the jawline, and the shape of the jaw by extension -- fit together. Proximity is just one factor to consider, and the purpose of pointing out tooth proximity is to help point out that the jaw couldn't be from "just anything" as implied by another poster. Moreover, I'll reiterate that the primary indicator of what species the specimen listed in the article probably belonged to is the comparatively small size of its molars.

This is the typical song-and-dance excuse given at the time these "mistakes" show up in the public eye. This one is no more effective in dispelling the widely held view that paleontology is largely conjecture, mythology, and pseudoscience, a view that is far more common that I'm sure makes most in the field comfortable.


What "widely-held view"? Paleontology is a respectable, well-established field of study that shares substantial overlap with various fields of biology. Your personal and unabashedly religiously-motivated cynicism hardly constitutes a "widely-held view" of any subject.


I can take you to a dentist's office and show you a variance in the size of known human molars, pictured in his x-rays, that such "criteria" would lead a paleontologist to conclude the teeth came from "hominids" millions of years apart on the evolutionary scale, instead of the three inches apart on Google maps that the actual people who own the molars live today.


No, you actually can't. To begin with, human teeth generally don't vary much at all in terms of size. I'm skeptical that you've even examined whoever's teeth you're referring to in such detail, and even more skeptical that you'd actually have the will to attempt to prove your point. Of course, you'd also have to explain the absence of weathering and actual photographs to whatever research department you're waving X-ray pictures in front of. Furthermore, generalized microdontia and macrodontia are both quite rare, and typically don't involve more than one molar. The specimen cited in the article depicts five teeth, including a back molar set.



 
Last edited:

Reborn

Senior Member
Nov 16, 2014
4,087
216
63
#23
If you don't swat at them....they eventually go away.
 
Dec 18, 2013
6,733
45
0
#24
Comparing to those photos I'd say them teeth look human. Well weathered and fossilized too. Only a fragment remaining. Possibly pre-Flood?
 
May 4, 2014
288
2
0
#25
I'm pretty sure a fly would eventually go away irrespective of whether or not it's being swatted at. :)
 
A

Anonimous

Guest
#26
Why, people have been living in Ethiopia for tens and tens and tens of years.
 
D

didymos

Guest
#27
Monkey see...

monkey do...


(aka: find some ape bones and go crazy)
 

Reborn

Senior Member
Nov 16, 2014
4,087
216
63
#28
She uses big words.

She must be smarter than Christians? :(
 
S

Siberian_Khatru

Guest
#29
I'm pretty sure a fly would eventually go away irrespective of whether or not it's being swatted at. :)
Are you foreshadowing your bowing out? :(

Reborn! Relating her to an insect? For shame.
 
A

AgeofKnowledge

Guest
#30
The original Lucy specimen discovered in 1974 included 40 percent of a complete skeleton but not much of a jawbone. In 2002, they recovered an A. afarensis jawbone and claimed it was transitional just as they're doing here. However, recent analysis of the specimen revealed that it resembled a gorilla rather than a human. In other words, the "derived" jawbone anatomy belonged to a line that gave rise to the australopithecines which meant it was a dead end. There was no evolutionary pathway between Lucy (A. afarensis) and modern humans.

Proposed transitional intermediate forms demonstrating such a pathway in the fossil record are routinely "discovered" and published as such in the popular media and then later discarded after close examination as science progresses. This has been happening since Darwin published his seminal work. Here we have another one.

While hominids are creatures in the animal realm remarkable in their own right, they are distinct from human beings who alone bear the image of their Creator.
 
V

Viligant_Warrior

Guest
#31
I'm not going to bother to respond to your detailed analysis of the minutiae involving paleontological dentistry. It is all subjective, and the teeth and jaw structure of many of the "hominid mistakes" we briefly discussed earlier actually originated in this type of "evidence." What I will address is this:What "widely-held view"? Paleontology is a respectable, well-established field of study that shares substantial overlap with various fields of biology.[/quote]Not really, though I'm sure that's what they'd like you to believe, and knowing your age, I know you have nothing more than an "in-depth surface acquaintance" with the field. You don't have your degree, you may have immersed yourself in the undergraduate level subjects leading to a more rounded education int he field, but you're not a paleontologist yourself, unless you're a paleontological prodigy. That's doubtful.

In almost every debate about origins, the first argument given by the evolutionists is an appeal to authority. The National Academy of Sciences flatly asserts, "While the mechanisms of evolution are still under investigation, scientists universally accept that the cosmos, our planet, and life evolved and continue to evolve."

We are supposed to respect these scientists because science has proven so powerful. But the people who preach evolution didn’t discover gravity or pasteurization or semiconductors. They just call themselves by the same name, "scientist." They can't show us evidence of evolution because "it occurs too slowly to observe" but it exists nonetheless. It contradicts itself in explanations, such as the peacock's heavy plummage being proof of its strength in surviving and therefore being a good mate, but can't explain how the heavier, more beautiful plummage helps them survive.

In the case of our "new discovery," where does it fit in a fossil record that is inconsistent at best and all but non-existent at worst? Paleontologists have been arguing over the Precambrian Period's end coming with an explosion of multi-celled and hard-shelled animals that "just appeared overnight," in "evolutionary" terms. You have this elaborate explanation detailing tooth proximity, density, etc., but most of the other examples that are labeled "hominid" have no consistency whatsoever with this supposed established order, but are still urgently labeled "hominid" in order to continue the fairy tale.

Need I point out the contrived "family tree" of the horse? Supporters of the theory juxtapositioned ever-increasingly larger horse-like creatures and labeled their progression "the evolution of the horse" when, in reality, as biologist Heribert-Nilsson said, "the family tree of the horse is beautiful and continuous only in the textbooks."

Paleontologists and other evolutionists choose to ignore the fact that their theory requires the violation of well-established law of science that life cannot arise from any source but other life. The fact that all the experimental evidence of the past 200 years contradicts their theory is irrelevant, because they speculate that it’s possible that there is some experiment that no one has yet tried where it might work. Well, anything is possible. But something like this is so highly unlikely as to be laughable.

And yet they persist, picking up fossilized jawbones of God-knows-what, telling a story about it, and pronouncing it "science" and the jawbone "the latest startling discovering 'proving' evolution." You want to swim in such B/S, I won't try to stop you. But realize that calling B/S "swimming pool water" doesn't make it any less B/S.
 
S

Siberian_Khatru

Guest
#33
Never mind.
You're right SK.
I apologize.
Nice redaction, haha! I saw what you put before your edit. ;) Still cool of you to say this, though.
 
M

Mitspa

Guest
#34
The original Lucy specimen discovered in 1974 included 40 percent of a complete skeleton but not much of a jawbone. In 2002, they recovered an A. afarensis jawbone and claimed it was transitional just as they're doing here. However, recent analysis of the specimen revealed that it resembled a gorilla rather than a human. In other words, the "derived" jawbone anatomy belonged to a line that gave rise to the australopithecines which meant it was a dead end. There was no evolutionary pathway between Lucy (A. afarensis) and modern humans.

Proposed transitional intermediate forms demonstrating such a pathway in the fossil record are routinely "discovered" and published as such in the popular media and then later discarded after close examination as science progresses. This has been happening since Darwin published his seminal work. Here we have another one.

While hominids are creatures in the animal realm remarkable in their own right, they are distinct from human beings who alone bear the image of their Creator.
Wasn't this a intentional attempt to deceive people? Or is this where they found bones over a mile away and tried to claim they was from the same source?
 
S

Sirk

Guest
#36
I just love the naivety of people who believe so strongly in the "unerring" ethical superiority of the scientific community.....after all....isn't it just absurd to think people have a desire to "hit the big time" with the next big discovery that rocks the scientific world? Nah....can't be.
 
Last edited:
T

Tintin

Guest
#37
At the very best this may be the discovery of a person from the early-ish post-Flood period, around 4,000 years ago. At best. I'm not going to put any stock in their presuppositions and conclusions clearly based on evolutionary storytelling.
 
Feb 16, 2014
903
2
0
#38
2) Note this: "2.8 million year old.........." Carbon dating? No problems with that right?
Carbon dating was used to predict the Earth's age to be 2.8 million years old? Can you provide a source please?
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#39
Carbon dating was used to predict the Earth's age to be 2.8 million years old? Can you provide a source please?
Not the earth, the human remains.
 
M

Mitspa

Guest
#40
Carbon dating was used to predict the Earth's age to be 2.8 million years old? Can you provide a source please?
I think they dated a recent dead seal washed up on the beach at 60,000 years old....this nonsense has been proven to be just a gimmick for those trying to prove evolution.