The forgotten teachings of Christ

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Mitspa

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Just find one place where Jesus says that those who continue to sin after coming to a knowledge of the truth are justified before God.
Or one instance where He says sin is no big deal, don't worry about it. That He's got your back no matter which master you choose to serve with your thoughts, words or actions

Sin = Rebellion / evil / death / destruction / hate
I know those under the law are in big trouble ..right?

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
 
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WheresEnoch

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I know those under the law are in big trouble ..right?

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Yes, those who are under the full Mosaic Law for their salvation are in trouble.

As are those who are under the commandments of Christ to love God and people enough to quit sinning against God and people yet do not.
As are those who believe themselves set free from any obligations and commandments what so ever under Christ.
As are those who claim to love Christ with their mouths yet hate Him with every thought, word and deed.
As are those who claim to pick up their cross daily and follow Him but do not.
As are those who have not cast off the old man (that is the flesh) and do not choose to walk by the Spirit.
 
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Mitspa

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Yes, those who are under the full Mosaic Law for their salvation are in trouble.

As are those who are under the commandments of Christ to love God and people enough to quit sinning against God and people yet do not.
As are those who believe themselves set free from any obligations and commandments what so ever under Christ.
As are those who claim to love Christ with their mouths yet hate Him with every thought, word and deed.
As are those who claim to pick up their cross daily and follow Him but do not.
As are those who have not cast off the old man (that is the flesh) and do not choose to walk by the Spirit.
What do you mean under the "full" mosaic law? You think you can just keep part of it and be ok?
 

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I made no comment about your walk with the Lord; I commented on your telling Utah that you doubt his salvation.

Arrogance arises from pride; and pride is SIN!
Pearls before swine, Brother Marc. Thank you for your kind words.

I rejoice knowing Jesus affirms your faith and mine, unlike our Pharisees here. Woe to them!
 
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WheresEnoch

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What do you mean under the "full" mosaic law? You think you can just keep part of it and be ok?
Nobody is under the full Mosiac Law, there is no temple.
But those who still practice judaism for their salvation, while not believing in Christ are in trouble
 
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Mitspa

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Nobody is under the full Mosiac Law, there is no temple.
But those who still practice judaism for their salvation, while not believing in Christ are in trouble
What about those who pick certain parts out of the law, like the ten commandments or nine commandments and try to justify themselves by those?
 
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JesusistheChrist

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Pearls before swine, Brother Marc. Thank you for your kind words.

I rejoice knowing Jesus affirms your faith and mine, unlike our Pharisees here. Woe to them!
Hey, you forgot to sign your post "Mr. Love Thy Neighbor". Hypocrite.
 
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WheresEnoch

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What about those who pick certain parts out of the law, like the ten commandments or nine commandments and try to justify themselves by those?
Obeying Christ is not the same as trying to justify yourself before God apart from Christ.

You must obey Christ, to be in Christ.

9 “I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love. 10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.

In order to obey Christ fully from the heart, you must truly become born again.
You must daily pick up your cross and deny your sinful nature.
Let evil have no place in your heart or mind.
Be fully resolved to face the persecution from family and friends for your unwavering desire to do what is right and pleasing in the eyes of God.
Go to any lengths necessary to avoid letting sin overcoming you.
Set your mind on the fruits of the Spirit and God's definition of love. (Galatians 5/1 Corinthians 13 etc)
Tame your tongue, repay evil with good, give without expecting in return, take every thought captive to Christ/do not entertain any evil, hateful, greedy, lustful, covetous thought, clean out the inside of the cup, do not worry or be anxious, and on and on...
 
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Mitspa

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Obeying Christ is not the same as trying to justify yourself before God apart from Christ.

You must obey Christ, to be in Christ.

9 “I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love. 10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.

In order to obey Christ fully from the heart, you must truly become born again.
You must daily pick up your cross and deny your sinful nature.
Let evil have no place in your heart or mind.
Be fully resolved to face the persecution from family and friends for your unwavering desire to do what is right and pleasing in the eyes of God.
Go to any lengths necessary to avoid letting sin overcoming you.
Set your mind on the fruits of the Spirit and God's definition of love. (Galatians 5/1 Corinthians 13 etc)
Tame your tongue, repay evil with good, give without expecting in return, take every thought captive to Christ/do not entertain any evil thought, clean out the inside of the cup, do not worry or be anxious, and on and on...
I agree, but some do try to justify themselves by obedience to the written code of the law... So you admit that a believer cannot be justified by obedience to the law but by faith ...right?
 
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WheresEnoch

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It's like a relationship with your wife only greater. Do not tell her you love her, but then cheat on her, abuse her, ignore her, insult her, belittle her, control her, fantasize about other women, yell at her out of anger etc
 
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WheresEnoch

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I agree, but some do try to justify themselves by obedience to the written code of the law... So you admit that a believer cannot be justified by obedience to the law but by faith ...right?
All have already sinned. So no amount of being obedient in the future could possibly make up for that.
We are justified by faith. Yet let no one deceive you, those who practice righteousness are righteous as He is righteous. Those who practice lawlessness are lawless just like their father the devil
 
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Mitspa

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All have already sinned. So no amount of being obedient in the future could possibly make up for that.
What? Yes faith in Christ and what He did more than makes up for it...
 
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WheresEnoch

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What? Yes faith in Christ and what He did more than makes up for it...
We are justified by faith. Yet let no one deceive you, those who practice righteousness are righteous as He is righteous. Those who practice lawlessness are lawless just like their father the devil

You shall know a tree by its fruit.
 
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Mitspa

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We are justified by faith. Yet let no one deceive you, those who practice righteousness are righteous as He is righteous. Those who practice lawlessness are lawless just like their father the devil

You shall know a tree by its fruit.
right those who practice the righteousness of faith are righteous ...those under the law break the law and are lawless.
 
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WheresEnoch

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right those who practice the righteousness of faith are righteous ...those under the law break the law and are lawless.
Just understand that those who break the law are under the law.
You choose who you serve by your actions, not just your mouth.

If a saint sins, then they confess, repent and there is forgiveness and grace.

But for those who continue in sin after coming to a knowledge of the truth, there is no more sacrifice for sins left.

Hebrews 10
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
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Mitspa

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Just understand that those who break the law are under the law.
You choose who you serve by your actions, not just your mouth.

If a saint sins, then they confess, repent and there is forgiveness and grace.

But for those who continue in sin after coming to a knowledge of the truth, there is no more sacrifice for sins left.

Hebrews 10
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
The willful sin here is the sin of turning from grace back to the law...the sin of unbelief!

Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith:

Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Here is the "willful" sin of Hebrews 10
 
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WheresEnoch

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The willful sin here is the sin of turning from grace back to the law...the sin of unbelief!

Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith:
We are not justified by the law. We are justified by faith.
Faith = belief + action + confidence
belief + nothing = nothing

James 2
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Matthew 25
‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 
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WheresEnoch

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Following Christ is anything but passive. The works of repentance/turning from from sin is just the very foundation of the faith. You cannot move on to greater things without that foundation in place.

Hebrew 6
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 and of instruction about washings,[a] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.
 
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Mitspa

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We are not justified by the law. We are justified by faith.
Faith = belief + action + confidence
belief + nothing = nothing

James 2
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Matthew 25
‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Right faith and love is obedience, not the letter of the law of Moses. Real faith has real works of faith, real love has real works of love. Like Rahab the harlot...
 
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Mitspa

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Following Christ is anything but passive. The works of repentance from sin is just the very foundation of the faith. You cannot move on to greater things without that foundation in place.

Hebrew 6
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 and of instruction about washings,[a] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.
Right don't turn back to dead works of the law...or teachings about the law...and those who turn from grace back to the law are in grave danger.