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W
Romans 7 is about Paul before he was born again. He says in Romans 8 that when we have the Holy Spirit, we put to death the flesh and put an end to sin.
Romans 8:13
"For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live."
Here he is saying that IF you stop your sinning, by putting the flesh and sin to death by living in the Spirit. Then you will have eternal life
Romans 8:13
"For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live."
Here he is saying that IF you stop your sinning, by putting the flesh and sin to death by living in the Spirit. Then you will have eternal life
K
Before his conversion he went by the name Saul, and then after his conversion he went by the name Paul.
He still though after his conversion never did give up his title as a pharisee;
Acts 23:6
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
W
What do you make of this passage? More specifically, the things underlined:
5 “Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. 6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. 7 But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! 8 When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples. This brings great glory to my Father.
9 “I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love. 10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.
then what shall a sinner do? If the sinners prayer will not save them. then we are all doomed and have no hope. As for Paul and His name is Paul and not Saul and writing to the Christian Churches of Rome. I'm saying if it was before His meeting with Christ on the road to Damascus. Why mention it as it was written to a church. Guess you like a diet coke with your cheesecake it makes no sense.
M
Kenneth...Paul was making a point to divide the crowd and save his life...Paul said all that was "dung" ...as it relates to the gospel and Gods righteousness ...
Ac 23:6 ¶ But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.
8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
Ac 23:6 ¶ But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.
8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
K
Yes his he is the Apostle Paul, but before he became the Apostle Paul after conversion he went by the name of Saul.
This is clearly shown in Acts, and even after his conversion in the scripture I gave which shows he is going by Paul. Meaning his conversion already took place, then he at this point is still calling himself a Pharisee.
People here that word Pharisee and only think bad things, but there was good Pharisees to as Nicodemus was one of them that came to the Lord.
Romans 7 is not about Paul's current position in the faith.
He was showing when he first was converted and was still living carnally minded, but then in Romans 8 he shows his full conversion into a mature believer in the faith as he says he is no longer carnally minded for that leads to death and not eternal life.
K
Kenneth...Paul was making a point to divide the crowd and save his life...Paul said all that was "dung" ...as it relates to the gospel and Gods righteousness ...
Ac 23:6 ¶ But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.
8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
Ac 23:6 ¶ But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.
8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
He was not trying to divide the crowd by making that statement that he is a Pharisee.
His point was that as a Pharisee he had the right to speak in the council meeting, and his testimony he gave was of the resurrection being true.
M
Kenneth any honest person can see that's the intention of him calling himself a Pharisee ...read what it says, not what you want it to say...
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees,
Ac 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees,
Ac 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.
K
Yes I can read and the reason for the division was not him calling himself a Pharisee.
The topic is the resurrection and that the Sadduccess did not believe in, but the Pharisees were divided on this subject.
Paul stood up and spoke among them as a Pharisee and testified on believing in the resurrection. He did not say that out of fear for his life, for he said it to testify truthfully of Jesus, and the Lord told him because he did this then He would keep him from harm.
K
The Apostle Paul before he was even called this was known as a Pharisee named Saul.
There is no promoting him to anything, as he was a Pharisee before conversion which is why he had authority to speak at that council of the Sadducees and Pharisees. There were good Pharisees as not all of them were bad, as like mentioned with Nicodemus.
Nicodemus came to the Lord to learn from him, and even was present at his crucifixion.
M
Whatever Kenneth ...he was not a guest there he was about to be killed and was trying to make a point for his life..clearly he knew he could divide the crowd by making it appear he was being attacked by the sadducees for his beliefs as a Pharisee ...but like I said its not a issue that relates to the truth of sound doctrine.
K
Yes I know he was not a guest and they had him bound.
But he was brought before the council because he wanted to know what they had against him. Just like he mentioned in the previous chapter that he was a Roman, he also stood up and stated how he was a Pharisee which gave him the right to speak and defend his behalf. He stood up for the Lord and the resurrection, and in so doing they found no fault in him (Acts 23:9). Verse 11 then has the Lord saying to Paul because he testified of Him he was sending him to Rome to do the same.
The division was about what Paul spoke on in his testimony of Jesus, not him being a Pharisee.
Paul the Apostle (Greek: Παῦλος Paulos; c. 5 – c. 67), originally known as Saul of Tarsus (Hebrew: שאול התרסי; Greek: Σαῦλος Ταρσεύς Saulos Tarseus),[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] was anapostle (though not one of the Twelve Apostles) who taught the gospel of Christ to the first-century world.[SUP][7][/SUP] He is generally considered one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] In the mid-30s to the mid-50s, he founded several churches in Asia Minor and Europe. Paul used his status as both a Jew and a Roman citizento advantage in his ministry to both Jewish and Roman audiences.
A native of Tarsus, the capital city in the Roman province of Cilicia,[SUP][5][/SUP] Paul wrote that he was "a Hebrew born of Hebrews", a Pharisee,[SUP][30][/SUP] and one who advanced in Judaism beyond many of his peers.