Kent Hovind - US Gov't pull another string to try keep him in prison for 10-20 yrs.

[aforgivensonofGod]

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Kent Hovind was indicted 2014, for presumably tax fraud. Even when the evidence clearly show there was none - the US Gov't during court trial changed the ruling on what to be considered an offense, "Over $10,000.00," to under $10,000.00. Through varies means, officially Kent was arrested for a charge that didn't exist (you can read more of Forbes.com.) Now - 2015, he is soon to be released, the officials out of the blue has now charged him again with "mail fraud" attempting to gain money, where he has no money to begin with. The charge could lead to a 10-20 years back into prison. For the case, they have appointed, Margaret Casey Rodgers. Margaret is inexcusably a judge who hates Christian. There is no denying that she does not. And she will find any excuse to persecute and charge any ministry, any church officials, any bystander if you are a Christian.


Kent has a PhD in education, taught for many years, and is a young creationist who tours around to teach scientifically the correctness of how the earth came to be, by using evidence, models, and answering questions that many secular scientist struggles with. If anyone knows how the US Court system works, it is run by wicked superiors, and these wicked men will try their best to get what they want.


In the case of Kent, Constitutionally, he has broken no law. He is within his rights. Unofficially, the US Gov't has been plowing their foot in the ground to "own" properties, therefore, bypassing the Constitution, and are able to charge and take away your home if need be. We as the people - never once question nor do we stand up for what is going on. Your rights, is almost dead. And what you think belongs to you, really don't. You have no say in the matter, and these officials can sum up any sort of excuse out of what they have established secretly to indict you of a crime you never committed.

There are many cases like Kent Hovind, and I think it's time the awareness of what is really going on, needs to be seen.

 

[aforgivensonofGod]

I would also like to add. As Kent was arrested and sent to jail. During jail time, Kent has won over 500 men to the Lord, and started his own ministry while in prison. But nobody wants to spend their life in jail and miss out on their wife, sons, and daughters. So I ask for your prayer for Kent Hovind.

Just as the church prayed for Peter and the gates of prison slam open. Lets pray for our brother in Christ also.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Kent Hovind is a criminal convicted of 58 federal counts, including 12 tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents, and 45 counts of structuring cash transactions.

Furthermore, though he did graduate high school his bachelor's degree was from this non-accredited college and his master's and PhDs were obtained from this non-accredited diploma mill.

Now, do I think he's being harshly treated by the U.S. government? Yes, I do. Do I think the structuring charges were weak in his case and carried too high of a penalty given they were intended for criminal drug dealers rather than religious activities which are supposed to be protected by the first amendment? Yes, I do.

It's a bizarre "system of justice" that lets someone with 19 murders (e.g. Sammy "the bull" Gravano) walk free as a bird, only gives Al Capone 10 years, but works as hard as possible to obtain what amounts to the rest of his life for violations of the law relating to failing to pay taxes and being disingenuous about it when its Kent Hovind.

But, Kent did make his bed and the government certainly has tucked him into it. I just don't think they needed to "structure" his bed into a coffin and bury him forever but that's what they've decided to do.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Kent Hovind was indicted 2014, for presumably tax fraud. Even when the evidence clearly show there was none - the US Gov't during court trial changed the ruling on what to be considered an offense, "Over $10,000.00," to under $10,000.00.

1) Its questionable that statement is true, that the law was changed during the legal process and nonetheless applied to him.

2) He refused to pay taxes in several consecutive years, on multiple employees' paychecks which he illegally claimed were "independent contractors" -- and the multiple violations added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes, so the $10,000 amount is a moot point.

But like Aged, I believe he's being unfairly kept in prison, though I don't think much of him as an "academic" -- in his case, applying the term is laughable -- or as a person, and certainly not as a Christian. That's not how the people of God act.

 

[Lizathrose]

1)though I don't think much of him as an "academic" -- in his case, applying the term is laughable -- or as a person, and certainly not as a Christian. That's not how the people of God act.

...Yet, you're willing to rely on (scroll down just a bit after clicking the link) an article whose borrowed crux is a thinly-veiled iteration of Kent Hovind's original argument concerning the Earth's age -- specifically, that a supposed 30,000 year equilibrium of carbon in the atmosphere that "hasn't been reached" inherently disproves the established scientific view of the planet's true age.

 

[Jeff_56]

no. nothing 'established' - scientific, religious, medical, political, economic or social
nothing
is true of or from or originating not from yahweh. yahweh alone is true and trustworthy. siimply. that's all.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

...Yet, you're willing to rely on (scroll down just a bit after clicking the link) an article whose borrowed crux is a thinly-veiled iteration of Kent Hovind's original argument concerning the Earth's age -- specifically, that a supposed 30,000 year equilibrium of carbon in the atmosphere that "hasn't been reached" inherently disproves the established scientific view of the planet's true age.

Correction, laser-expert-turned-geologist. Hovind borrowed from his half-arsed (borrowing from my British friends) rendering of creation theory from ken Ham, who produced a very well researched and scientifically based study of alternative explanations to the barely-plausible "old Earth" theories of most atheists and some Christians, back in 1983. But I'm relatively certain you already knew that.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

hovind is a false teacher and an unrepentant criminal...

considering he -still- feels no remorse for his criminal activities even after several years in prison...he still views his actions as legitimate and therefore there is nothing in his conscience that would prevent him from simply doing it all again...i have no sympathy for him in the case that he gets another prison term...maybe what he needs is even more time away from society to reconsider his actions...

 

[Jeff_56]

speaking against a man of God won't end up well for anyone.

from a tested and true source (unlike some forums) : ... >

"CONTEMPT [HR][/HR] Dear Friends –

What a glorious miracle? CONTEMPT. On ALL other charges the jury could not
the verdict the judge demanded.

The most supreme efforts of the Justice Department could NOT prevail. At the end of
the day, the jury could find no charge guilty other than CONTEMPT, to which they
could say Amen. Kent and Paul are still behind bars and sentencing is scheduled for
June 12.

BUT TAKE HEED TO YOURSELVES: for they SHALL deliver YOU up to councils; and
in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye SHALL be brought before rulers and kings
for MY sake, for a TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM.

The Criminal Contempt Conviction by this Court on Kent Hovind and Paul Hansen means
OPEN SEASON ON CHRISTIANS."

 

[maxwel]

hovind is a false teacher and an unrepentant criminal...

considering he -still- feels no remorse for his criminal activities even after several years in prison...he still views his actions as legitimate and therefore there is nothing in his conscience that would prevent him from simply doing it all again...i have no sympathy for him in the case that he gets another prison term...maybe what he needs is even more time away from society to reconsider his actions...

I'm not an expert on Kent Hovind, and really have no dog in this race,
but it does seem some extremely broad statements were put forth in an extremely off-handed and frivolous way.

He was actually accused of THREE DISTINCT and COMPLEX things, each of which should probably be explored more thoroughly.

1. He's a criminal
2. He's unrepentant
3. He's a false teacher.

Now, maybe he IS all of those things, but each of those are SEPARATE and DISTINCT, and each of those do not necessarily affect, or cause, the others. So each of those accusation would need to be proven, and proven independently.

It's fine with me if he really DID all those things... but I think we sometimes make very broad and sweeping statements without taking the time to support them properly.

1. He's a Criminal.
I'm not an expert on his legal affairs, but I have heard a lot of contradictory things.
I think it's likely that he DID break the law in the ways ascribed to him, but then he was given extraordinarily harsh punishments to make an example of him... but that is just my opinion without thorough research.

There seems to be some controversy, and perhaps some evidence that he DID NOT commit all the crimes he was accused of. Certainly that could be explored more thoroughly.


2. He's unrepentant.
This is really the only point that might be contingent on another point... because if there is some possibility he was falsely accused, then he would have nothing to be repentant of.
But even this is fairly complex: perhaps he was falsely accused of "some" things, but not falsely accused of "other" things; perhaps he is repentant of some things, but not repentant of other things.

So, what is the level of required repentance measured against the level of displayed repentance?
I have no idea.

I have no idea, but it may not be so simple to calculate, and some thorough investigation is probably required before claiming to know another man's conscience.



3. He's a false teacher.
This is probably the hardest thing to prove, and probably a point we should not even try to make.
Why?

We should be careful of making this broad statement because HE TAUGHT A GREAT MANY AND VARIED THINGS.

Maybe he was wrong on nothing.
Maybe he was wrong on everything.
Maybe he was wrong on most things, but not everything.
Maybe he was wrong on some things, but not that many things.
Maybe he was wrong on things intentionally.
Maybe he was wrong on things unintentionally.

He has an entire body of lifework, that covers many subjects, and many details on each subject.

Do we throw out everything he ever said?
Do we throw out everything about everything?
This isn't a logical argument.
This is a classic logical fallacy.

Conclusion:

Am I a supporter of Kent Hovind?
First of all, no I'm not... and second of all, the answer to that question has NOTHING to do with what the man has done, either good or bad.

With that cleared up, I would only conclude that maybe we should be me more circumspect in critiquing a person's entire life, along with all his motives, within a context as frivolous as a single sentence on an internet forum, without any serious examination.

Am I a supporter, a fan, a defender?
Not at all.
I'm just making an appeal that we discuss topics here in a more logical and evidential way.

 

[breno785au]

It was Kent Hovind DVDs that made me question what I believed which eventually led me to Christ.
Say what you will about him.

 

[Jeff_56]

......... If anyone knows how the US Court system works, it is run by wicked superiors, and these wicked men will try their best to get what they want.


In the case of Kent, Constitutionally, he has broken no law. He is within his rights. Unofficially, the US Gov't has been plowing their foot in the ground to "own" properties, therefore, bypassing the Constitution, and are able to charge and take away your home if need be. We as the people - never once question nor do we stand up for what is going on. Your rights, is almost dead. And what you think belongs to you, really don't. You have no say in the matter, and these officials can sum up any sort of excuse out of what they have established secretly to indict you of a crime you never committed.

There are many cases like Kent Hovind, and I think it's time the awareness of what is really going on, needs to be seen.

this is happening , long time now, since before we were born, so people aren't often aware of the injustice in america, the oppression of the poor, the false and misplaced 'honor of country' or 'patriatism' or
other sometimes 'innocent' but always misplaced trust. (do not ever, not ever, trust the untide states.)

the governments are gathering in strength opposed to everyone who trusts Jesus.
the governments are gathering in strength oppressing everyone.
the governments are gathering in strength with all that is within them to enforce the beasts power.

kent hovind, regardless of his education or other 'qualifications', told the truth, and

the governments cannot accept the truth -- it exposes their extreme wickedness.

the children either of the enemy, or deceived by the enemy, sides with the world government.

the children of yahweh elohim, born again of God, in union with JESUS forever, are not deceived by the world government(though almost at times).

 

[Jeff_56]

It was Kent Hovind DVDs that made me question what I believed which eventually led me to Christ.
Say what you will about him.

those who speak against him speak against God's people (not just against kent).

they will all likewise perish, unless they repent. (yes, like those on whom the tower fell).

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Like you, there is little to nothing about Kent Hovind that I like. Personally, I think he's off his rocker. But I also don't support twenty and thirty year sentences for failing to pay taxes and being disingenuous about it. In my view, that's totalitarian government behavior.

Read: Chuck Baldwin -- Kent Hovind: Political Prisoner?

hovind is a false teacher and an unrepentant criminal...

considering he -still- feels no remorse for his criminal activities even after several years in prison...he still views his actions as legitimate and therefore there is nothing in his conscience that would prevent him from simply doing it all again...i have no sympathy for him in the case that he gets another prison term...maybe what he needs is even more time away from society to reconsider his actions...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

And look at this; a jury just found Kent guilty of contempt for filing paperwork disputing the government's sale of his property.

They must have been libtards. No conservative would find anyone guilty of contempt for filing paperwork disputing the government's sale of their property.

You're supposed to simply allow the government to sell your property without filing paperwork to dispute it or you're guilty of contempt and go to a federal prison. It's Orwellian... or liberalism. Same thing.

Hovind guilty of contempt

 

[Kisses1990]

Kent Hovind's "phd" is a joke. He is a good lier and is persuasive to those that can't decipher actual scientific data versus the bogus nonsense that people like him spew.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Yes, but do you think he should serve between thirty and one hundred and ten years in a federal prison for failing to pay taxes [in context with the first amendment regarding freedom of religion], being disingenuous about failing to pay taxes, and some issues related to allegedly manipulating mail?

I don't. I think a ten year federal prison sentence is more than sufficient for all of the crimes he was/is being prosecuted for. Imo, this is a serious federal overreach and persecutory.

And it's especially so in light of the government's soft treatment of everything from cooperating organized crime members who murdered wantonly and committed far greater and more numerous criminal acts to junk bond defrauders who got less time when billions were involved.

Failing to pay taxes on a dinosaur park and acting like an idiot when charged with it can get you up to 110 years in federal prison now. Wow. There's a problem friends and it's in the U.S. not in Denmark.

Kent Hovind's "phd" is a joke. He is a good lier and is persuasive to those that can't decipher actual scientific data versus the bogus nonsense that people like him spew.

 

[thecreationtutor]

False science like evolution, should be challenged - Methodologies of doing that, that's up to debate what is best

In the classroom, I talk about observable, testable, repeatable Science - which is good Science, vs opinion and Historical Science - which is not Science.

In fairness Creation is not observable, testable, or repeatable - but it's History - since the Bible is History, not a science textbook - that is valid

 

[thecreationtutor]

Kent Hovind's "phd" is a joke. He is a good lier and is persuasive to those that can't decipher actual scientific data versus the bogus nonsense that people like him spew.

Your argument on the basis of having a computer is bogus:

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Well, that's not true. This is a false assertion. In fact, testable creation models DO exist that compete with general evolutionary ones.

Here is an example of one: http://www.amazon.com/More-Than-Theory-Revealing-Testable/dp/0801014425

But, of course, this isn't a thread on creationism but rather a thread on whether the government should give a guy who built a dinosaur park and blew off the IRS a life sentence. I say, of course not... it's totalitarian.

In fairness Creation is not observable, testable, or repeatable - but it's History - since the Bible is History, not a science textbook - that is valid