Warning! Catholic church is a FALSE religion

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Baptistrw

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MissMaryMac said:
"This is my body. This is my blood. Do THIS in memory of me."

There is no where in there that would suggest it be literal or symbolic. There's no way to say what is right and what is wrong. Perhaps it is just a symbol. Perhaps it isn't.

Jesus said "Your ancestors ate manna in the wilderness and died ...I am the living bread that came down from heaven ...unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man you will not have life within you."

52 The Jews argued with each other, saying, "How is this man able to give us his flesh to eat?" 53 JESUS said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you. If you should not eat the flesh of the SON OF MAN and you should not drink HIS blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 The (person) gnawing on MY flesh and drinking MY blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For MY flesh is true food and MY blood is true drink. 56 The (person) gnawing on MY flesh and drinking MY blood remains in me and I (remain) in him. 57 In the same way the Living Father sent me and I live through the Father, the (person) gnawing on MY flesh will also live through me. 58 This is the bread having come down from heaven, unlike (the manna which our) ancestors ate and (then) died. The (person) gnawing on this bread will into the age (of the Kingdom)."

After this passage, it's said that many people left Jesus. Why was He not like "Hold up guys. I was only talking metaphorically here. You don't REALLY have to eat me. Come back." ?
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This is allegorical. Not to be taken literally. To eat Christ's literal body would be cannibalism! Jesus is the bread of life, he was not a literal piece of bread.. As Manna (bread) sustained the life of the Jews in the wilderness, Christ sustains our eternal lives by partaking in Him through faith. Not by literally eating Him.
 
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Baptistrw

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imoss said:
We are not God, we are not Jesus... WE get it wrong... no matter our "mother" church. Be us Baptist, Be us Protestant, Be us Catholic, Be us Pentecostal. Jesus is our risen Lord to all of these faiths Jesus is our risen Lord. I refuse to condem an individual with my righteous judgement based on the higherarchy of their chosen Church or its teachings. We are all mistaken. Because we are human we are not God. All of our Church's get it wrong in one way or another because a Church is a group of People not Gods. So take the righteous judgement and the labeling of a christ believing church as satanic and reflect on it. I do not believe in praying to mary, praying in repetition, or some of the other things that the Catholics do. I also do not believe that my father in law a wonderful follower of JESUS and SINNER .... YES HE WAS A SINNER and also of the catholic faith, I do not believe that he burns in hell because of the teachings of the elders in his church. He had relationship with the Lord. Now... go ahead and rebuke the muslims & the Jehovahs Jesus is not their risen Lord. Focus your attention on the people who require salvation and do not have the Lord. 1 John 4 1-4 Titus 3 9
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When the church perverts the true Gospel see Pauls warning..

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal 1:6-9 (KJV)

Pretty strong words. You can have minor differences in doctrines, but when the gospel is distorted that's a serious heresy. As for your father in law, if he was depending on any of his works (baptism, mass, confession) to save him, he's in trouble. Dave Hunt did a survey of 100 Catholics, and none knew the gospel. That being said, one cannot take of the mass without denying Christ's finished work on the cross for our sins. The mass is blasphemous to say the least.
 
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NazariteNation

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MissMaryMac said:
When Jesus left earth, Peter went to Rome and began the Chirsitan church there. It was the continuation of what he helped to develop that became the Catholic church.
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One could safely assume that it was likely Paul or one of his many students that founded the church in Rome although Baptist makes a great point, and it could very well be that the seeds of Christianity were already planted in Rome before Paul's long imprisonment, seeing as how the language barrier was broken on the day of Pentecost.

I think it's common knowledge that many catholics believe Peter to be the first Pope because of the misinterpretation of scripture where Jesus while speaking to Peter states "Upon this rock I will build my church." Many feel as though Jesus was referring to Peter himself, however when you study this passage in the original Greek, specifically the context inwhich Jesus uses the words "petra" and petros", you will learn that what Jesus was really referring to is that many shall come to the revelation of Jesus as savior just as Peter did.
 
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Baptistrw said:
When the church perverts the true Gospel see Pauls warning..

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal 1:6-9 (KJV)

Pretty strong words. You can have minor differences in doctrines, but when the gospel is distorted that's a serious heresy. As for your father in law, if he was depending on any of his works (baptism, mass, confession) to save him, he's in trouble. Dave Hunt did a survey of 100 Catholics, and none knew the gospel. That being said, one cannot take of the mass without denying Christ's finished work on the cross for our sins. The mass is blasphemous to say the least.
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So you your church doesn't believe in taking communion?
 
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Baptistrw

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NazariteNation said:
So you your church doesn't believe in taking communion?
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We do it as a remembrance of Christ's sacrifice for our sins, not as what gives us eternal life as the Romans believe. See the Cathechism 1392, 1405, and 1419
 
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Baptists rarely take the communion that Christ commanded be taken every time Christians assemble.
 
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NazariteNation

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Actually, many evangelicals in CC unknowingly adhere to various Catholic doctrine, namely the ideology which states that spiritual gifts ceased when the first century church came to a close. While many evangelicals do not pray to various "Super Saints" as many Catholics do, the core theology is the same.
 
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Baptistrw said:
We do it as a remembrance of Christ's sacrifice for our sins, not as what gives us eternal life as the Romans believe. See the Cathechism 1392, 1405, and 1419
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I read you. Just thought I'd ask...
 
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NazariteNation said:
One could safely assume that it was likely Paul or one of his many students that founded the church in Rome although Baptist makes a great point, and it could very well be that the seeds of Christianity were already planted in Rome before Paul's long imprisonment, seeing as how the language barrier was broken on the day of Pentecost.

I think it's common knowledge that many catholics believe Peter to be the first Pope because of the misinterpretation of scripture where Jesus while speaking to Peter states "Upon this rock I will build my church." Many feel as though Jesus was referring to Peter himself, however when you study this passage in the original Greek, specifically the context inwhich Jesus uses the words "petra" and petros", you will learn that what Jesus was really referring to is that many shall come to the revelation of Jesus as savior just as Peter did.
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Romans was written in appx. AD 58ish,and in Romans 1 he tells the church he wanted to come see them, but he had been prevented. Had he been there before, I think he would have told them he desired to see them again. And from my reading of Acts, I don't see Paul in Rome before AD 60, so there's no way Paul founded the church if you observe Acts closely. But that's another story :)
 
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EconGrad said:
Baptists rarely take the communion that Christ commanded be taken every time Christians assemble.
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We don't take communion every Sunday though we do it quaterly as a church (Easter & Christmas for example) and / or on various special occasions (baptisms, etc.)

Personally I have no problem with taking communion every Sunday. Not only does it serve as a reminder of Christ's many sacrifices but also as a reminder of our commitment to Him.
 
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Baptistrw

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NazariteNation said:
We don't take communion every Sunday though we do it quaterly as a church (Easter & Christmas for example) and / or on various special occasions (baptisms, etc.)

Personally I have no problem with taking communion every Sunday. Not only does it serve as a reminder of Christ's many sacrifices but also as a reminder of our commitment to Him.
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We take it every month or every 2 months depending. If you do it every week, it could lose it's meaning. I'm sure for the early church that wasn't an issue, but sadly today it is. I wouldn't mind taking it every week either.
 
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i attend a pentecostal church we take communion ,but not every Sunday , for this im glad because im afraid it would lose its meaning and become too ritualistic if we did . I personally feel on the topic of communion too many christians of all denominations partake of communion and take the ceremony if u will much too lightly . We are warned in the word of this happening . any thoughts??
 
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carpetmanswife said:
i attend a pentecostal church we take communion ,but not every Sunday , for this im glad because im afraid it would lose its meaning and become too ritualistic if we did . I personally feel on the topic of communion too many christians of all denominations partake of communion and take the ceremony if u will much too lightly . We are warned in the word of this happening . any thoughts??
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The best and most powerful and meaningful communion I ever took was alone in my kitchen, I was upset because i'd not had communion in a long time. In prayer the Lord put it upon my heart that I could take communion right where I am, that I didnt need others present to remember him. I felt THE LORD as I prayed, quoted scripture and took communion. What a wonderful experience it was, one I will cherish forever!
 
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imoss said:
The best and most powerful and meaningful communion I ever took was alone in my kitchen, I was upset because i'd not had communion in a long time. In prayer the Lord put it upon my heart that I could take communion right where I am, that I didnt need others present to remember him. I felt THE LORD as I prayed, quoted scripture and took communion. What a wonderful experience it was, one I will cherish forever!
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now that my friend is what communion is all about :)
 
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Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54

I believe 'Communion' is a means of God's grace. I don't hold to the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist but it troubles me that so many take Christ's command on communion so lightly.

Communion is not just a minor thing we can forget or take lightly.
 
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EconGrad said:
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54

I believe 'Communion' is a means of God's grace. I don't hold to the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist but it troubles me that so many take Christ's command on communion so lightly.

Communion is not just a minor thing we can forget or take lightly.
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Define "is a means of God's grace."
 
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Baptistrw said:
This is allegorical. Not to be taken literally. To eat Christ's literal body would be cannibalism! Jesus is the bread of life, he was not a literal piece of bread.. As Manna (bread) sustained the life of the Jews in the wilderness, Christ sustains our eternal lives by partaking in Him through faith. Not by literally eating Him.
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How do you know it's allegorical? There's really no certain way to tell. I'm not going one way or the other. I'm just saying.. it's impossible to tell. And if it was allegorical, why did he let so many people slip away because of this point? It's understandable if they left because they didn't want to believe he actually meant eating his flesh.. but if he just meant it as a metaphor, why would Jesus, sent to free the world and gather people for God, allow so many people to just leave because of a misunderstanding?
 
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imoss said:
The best and most powerful and meaningful communion I ever took was alone in my kitchen, I was upset because i'd not had communion in a long time. In prayer the Lord put it upon my heart that I could take communion right where I am, that I didnt need others present to remember him. I felt THE LORD as I prayed, quoted scripture and took communion. What a wonderful experience it was, one I will cherish forever!
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I agree with CMW, that is exactly what communion is about!
 
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MissMaryMac said:
How do you know it's allegorical? There's really no certain way to tell. I'm not going one way or the other. I'm just saying.. it's impossible to tell. And if it was allegorical, why did he let so many people slip away because of this point? It's understandable if they left because they didn't want to believe he actually meant eating his flesh.. but if he just meant it as a metaphor, why would Jesus, sent to free the world and gather people for God, allow so many people to just leave because of a misunderstanding?
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He obviously wasn't teaching his disciples cannibalism. If taking it in its literal sense it makes no sense and doesn't agree with the rest of scripture, it needs to be re-examined. This particular passage makes no sense if it is taken at face value, so it needs a different interpretation.
 
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is this about communion or the catholic church?
 
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