Eating Blood Prohibited

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royalscot said:
in the nt ,strange this was one of the first things changed, regarding meat eating, and the dawn of the gospel being told to gentiles.
13 And there came a voice to him: "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
"15 And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has made clean, do not call common."16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.Acts 10

all meat is cleaner today, that back then,
when i made black pudding(it call black pudding, in scotland) it was ox, bull blood, cook the blood, then add fat/suet and spice, put in skins,(the black out side coat, and the same skin sausage are put in.) then it cooked again. i was a butcher, meat cuter, that worked in a shop. that sold meat.
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Uh, nowhere does Peter EVER say that he ate it and he wondered about it for a while...

Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Now, Peter didn't run downstairs and order surf and turf with a shrimp cocktail appetizer he...

Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

It is clear that he didn't immediately say "Hallelujah, I can eat pork." He doubted what it meant. What did God reveal to him about the vision?

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The answer is that the Gentiles are called to salvation and that Israelites and Gentiles are no longer separated by the notion that Gentiles are unclean.

This scripture is not about clean and unclean. The unclean animals were used as a graphic example to a Jew.
 
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john832 said:
Uh, nowhere does Peter EVER say that he ate it and he wondered about it for a while...

Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Now, Peter didn't run downstairs and order surf and turf with a shrimp cocktail appetizer he...

Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

It is clear that he didn't immediately say "Hallelujah, I can eat pork." He doubted what it meant. What did God reveal to him about the vision?

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The answer is that the Gentiles are called to salvation and that Israelites and Gentiles are no longer separated by the notion that Gentiles are unclean.

This scripture is not about clean and unclean. The unclean animals were used as a graphic example to a Jew.
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then why say, kill and eat. at a guess thats would lead to the problem, when you try and eat a live animal.

so now your saying only part of what is being said.

full context, must have, went over your head.
 
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royalscot said:
then why say, kill and eat. at a guess thats would lead to the problem, when you try and eat a live animal.

so now your saying only part of what is being said.

full context, must have, went over your head.
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Yep, reading something into this that DID NOT HAPPEN, went over my head...


Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

First off, we see that this is a vision. It didn't really happen, it was a vision.

Secondly, it went over Peter's head also...

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Say, that puts me in pretty good company here. Anyhoo...

Thirdly, here is the conclusion Peter came to...

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Now show me where Peter says that unclean meats are cleansed and that he now recognizes it is OK to eat clean meats.

Chapter and verse will do.
 
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Yep, reading something into this that DID NOT HAPPEN, went over my head...


Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

First off, we see that this is a vision. It didn't really happen, it was a vision.

Secondly, it went over Peter's head also...

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Say, that puts me in pretty good company here. Anyhoo...

Thirdly, here is the conclusion Peter came to...

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Now show me where Peter says that unclean meats are cleansed and that he now recognizes it is OK to eat clean meats.

Chapter and verse will do.
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when the vision was over. how did he cook, the food, that he ate.
did it change what he ate, as in kosher (or how it was prepared)

as for the rest of what you wrote, what that got to do with ,kill and eat.

chapter and verse will do
did you miss the chapter and verse

in the nt ,strange this was one of the first things changed, regarding meat eating, and the dawn of the gospel being told to gentiles.
13 And there came a voice to him: "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
"15 And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has made clean, do not call common."16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.Acts 10

or just in the habit of miss quoting others.
 
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royalscot said:
when the vision was over. how did he cook, the food, that he ate.
did it change what he ate, as in kosher (or how it was prepared)

as for the rest of what you wrote, what that got to do with ,kill and eat.

chapter and verse will do
did you miss the chapter and verse

in the nt ,strange this was one of the first things changed, regarding meat eating, and the dawn of the gospel being told to gentiles.
13 And there came a voice to him: "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
"15 And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has made clean, do not call common."16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.Acts 10

or just in the habit of miss quoting others.
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OK then why didn't he?

Again, please show me where Peter said that God had showed him that unclean meats were cleansed.
 
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DesiredHaven said:
What does that even mean?

Elin you got to talk lower then that to me lol
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Well, it seems I put my mouth in motion before I put my brain in gear. . .sigh.
Thanks for being so kind. . .and permit me to disagree that you need "lower" talking.

I suspect the proscription of eating blood is about the sacredness of blood for atonement.
Blood was not to be looked upon as an ordinary thing because since Adam the blood (life)
of the sacrifice was accepted for the life of the sinner, it made atonement for the soul (Lev 17:11).

With the end of actual blood atonement in the death of Christ, blood no longer had a sacred
use, and the proscription against using actual blood as an ordinary thing was removed (Jn 6:53-55).
 
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Elin said:
Well, it seems I put my mouth in motion before I put my brain in gear. . .sigh.
Thanks for being so kind. . .and permit me to disagree that you need "lower" talking.
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Uh, I do that regularly myself.
 
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Elin said:
With the end of actual blood atonement in the death of Christ, blood no longer had a sacred
use, and the proscription against using actual blood as an ordinary thing was removed (Jn 6:53-55).
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You forget about Acts 15?
 
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royalscot said:
then why say, kill and eat. at a guess thats would lead to the problem, when you try and eat a live animal.
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Why did God tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac? We know that He clearly did not intend for Abraham to do it. I also do not believe He intended for Peter to begin consuming unclean meats after the vision. There is no Scriptural evidence that Peter interpreted the dream as such nor began eating unclean meats after this point in time. Peter provides the interpretation twice and never mentions food. Those who receive the interpretation also never mention food. I'll stick with Peter. :)
 
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that was for the OT, Paul grilled peter because he would not eat meat with gentiles. Your stuck under law and ritualism if you think this. and can not have a true relationship with god.
 
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DesiredHaven said:
Elin said:
Fornication was a violation of the Decalogue.

It is the Levitical regulations that were temporary.
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Lower Elin, I dont understand what you are saying (on either post)

My husband cant even firgure out your speech, Im not alone here

What?? lol
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I have to own that I can be hard to understand, not because I am "higher," but
because of my naturally formal phraseology.

Sex outside marriage is included in the commandment forbidding adultery.
It is a permanent prohibition for the people of God.

The Levitical regulations (food, purification, etc. laws) were temporary,
being set aside when the Levitical priesthood on which they were based (Heb 7:11)
was changed (Heb 11:12) to the priesthood in the order of Melchizedek, with
Christ as the new eternal High Priest.

Am I more clear here?
 
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john832 said:
Yep, reading something into this that DID NOT HAPPEN, went over my head...


Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

First off, we see that this is a vision. It didn't really happen, it was a vision.

Secondly, it went over Peter's head also...

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Say, that puts me in pretty good company here. Anyhoo...

Thirdly, here is the conclusion Peter came to...

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Now show me where Peter says that unclean meats are cleansed and that he now recognizes it is OK to eat clean meats.

Chapter and verse will do.
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So again I will ask (since Jeff won't respond to me... perhaps he has me on ignore??), is this all leading to koshering? And if so, why and how? My inquiring mind really wants to know.
 
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DesiredHaven said:
What would be from strangled there?

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Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols,
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Keeping in mind that this temporary regulation applied only to the provinces of Syria and Celica (1Co 10:25-30).

and from blood,
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and from strangled, and from fornication.

That which is deprived of life without the shedding of blood?
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Elin said:
Well, it seems I put my mouth in motion before I put my brain in gear. . .sigh.
Thanks for being so kind. . .and permit me to disagree that you need "lower" talking.

I suspect the proscription of eating blood is about the sacredness of blood for atonement.
Blood was not to be looked upon as an ordinary thing because since Adam the blood (life)
of the sacrifice was accepted for the life of the sinner, it made atonement for the soul (Lev 17:11).

With the end of actual blood atonement in the death of Christ, blood no longer had a sacred
use, and the proscription against using actual blood as an ordinary thing was removed (Jn 6:53-55).
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Oh no, dont worry nothing bout it Sis, you know I have read you for years but I rarely converse with you unless I can grasp what you actually said LOL! And even then I try to keep it short and brief (before it gets too complicated for me). It dont take much to do that either.

And dont apologize because your more intelligent then me. Im glad your not full of yourself in that, its actually rare thing Elin, and thats one thing I always liked about you. You were never off boasting or putting others down for being "less than".

You use too many big words for me Sis, but you are a God send, especially when someone comes in who speaks over you and you come, so I can "take a deep breath" and say, Man, thank God for Elin (shes got this) LOL!
 
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Did Paul in Romans teach to not judge the one who believes he can eat ALL things.....?
 
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there ya go again, spouting truth!..lol
 
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Elin said:
I have to own that I can be hard to understand, not because I am "higher," but
because of my naturally formal phraseology.

Sex outside marriage is included in the commandment forbidding adultery.
It is a permanent prohibition for the people of God.

The Levitical regulations (food, purification, etc. laws) were temporary,
being set aside when the Levitical priesthood on which they were based (Heb 7:11)
was changed (Heb 11:12) to the priesthood in the order of Melchizedek, with
Christ as the new eternal High Priest.

Am I more clear here?
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No, because just before issuing this as being of the Holy Ghost and called essential this followed after a dispute with those who believed saying they (the Gentiles) needed to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses to be saved.


I do realize that the things offered to idols (and the meats there in respects to the same) had more to do with the conscience, given up to that hour they were conscience of an idol (that had more to do with conscience) whereas today we arent conscience of any such thing. Not to say it does exist. I had first thought it pertained to the blood of Christ at first, or blood in a whole different way, but it follows up on meats offered (unto idols) from blood (right after that) and then that which is strangled (then fornication) in that order.

I mean even at that time when these things were at their peak this was said to be nothing at all, or rather no greater burden then these things things. So how much heavier could such things be today when they are basically non existent (with the exception of fornication)?

And these were named after grace was lifted up in contrast to the law.

My only question is what if someone started advocating any of these things under grace? Would that be acceptable? Why would the Holy Ghost make these things essential and then be like, alrighty guys, start drinking blood, eating strangled, offering meat to idols (because it was a temptorary essential) but not a long term essential.

I mean who is going to fight to have what grosses us all out?
 
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Oh no, dont worry nothing bout it Sis, you know I have read you for years but I rarely converse with you unless I can grasp what you actually said LOL! And even then I try to keep it short and brief (before it gets too complicated for me). It dont take much to do that either.

And dont apologize because your more intelligent then me. Im glad your not full of yourself in that, its actually rare thing Elin, and thats one thing I always liked about you. You were never off boasting or putting others down for being "less than".

You use too many big words for me Sis, but you are a God send, especially when someone comes in who speaks over you and you come, so I can "take a deep breath" and say, Man, thank God for Elin (shes got this) LOL!
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