I don't know why it is so hard for you to grasp the fact that any pro-life advocacy site, especially what is not a credible news source, 'lifesite news', who argues or proffers the suggestion or even an article wherein some former medical director admitted he lied about illegal abortion mortality statistics in 1972 isn't to be held credible when the CDC did not keep abortion mortality data prior to 1972.
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Baby in the womb is a living soul and a human being - not a lump of cells.
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
(Not posting to argue, just posting relevant Scriptures to be there for consideration to anyone out of the site who might be reading.)
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
(Not posting to argue, just posting relevant Scriptures to be there for consideration to anyone out of the site who might be reading.)
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man's nostrils, and the man became a living person.
Job 33:4 “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
Ezekiel 37:5-6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”
As for the first point, which man today is being formed out of the dust of the ground?
As for the second point, are you advocating that baby is dead until it comes out of the womb? Even medical science disproves that.
Baby is getting oxygen through the mother. If the baby did not need oxygen while in the womb though, then I'd agree with you.
A dead thing cannot REJOICE, as John the Baptist did in the womb.
As for the second point, are you advocating that baby is dead until it comes out of the womb? Even medical science disproves that.
Baby is getting oxygen through the mother. If the baby did not need oxygen while in the womb though, then I'd agree with you.
A dead thing cannot REJOICE, as John the Baptist did in the womb.
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Abortion makes me sick to my stomach. I mean, I understand that God can forgive them and be welcomed in paradise. I did a report in middle school about abortion and I had to provide my opinion on it and had to provide evidence of why I felt the way I do. Well, the teacher blatantly told me that I couldn't use the bible and say that it was murder. I also was told I couldn't give the speech to the class. I was mortified because I was being singled out from the assignment and part of the report was to have a poster board. I couldn't have pictures of an ultrasound before the abortion took place. I ended up in the principals office because I refused to be singled out and he had said that personally he didn't agree with the teacher, but for legal issues he needed to speak with the School District's Attorney and come up with a solution. Well they came up with a solution that I could make a poster and give the speech to the teacher and principal and that was it. I told a few classmates of what they made me do and they stood up for me and wanted to sit in on my speech. No matter how bad I did on it or the paper, the teacher was forced to give me an "A".
All humans derive from the Adam. This thread pursues the topic of abortion from a Christian and a Biblical perspective.
The baby is not independently sustaining itself in utero. It is living off the mother and it does not breathe of its own while in utero. The baby is sustained through the umbilicus. It is not independently alive it is being carried to term.
The baby is not independently sustaining itself in utero. It is living off the mother and it does not breathe of its own while in utero. The baby is sustained through the umbilicus. It is not independently alive it is being carried to term.
AngelFrog, come on?
You read a select few verses, and you think you (or I) have ANY idea how God works,
when it pertains to human life? Or it's value?
You seem to think you do?
This is a weak argument btw, and the last dude AND girl that tried this same thing........never returned. Unless?
You're on a Christian site......you're going to run into pro-lifers. Surprised?
Btw, One of the posts worth responding to, you ignored.
Do you have an agenda?
You read a select few verses, and you think you (or I) have ANY idea how God works,
when it pertains to human life? Or it's value?
You seem to think you do?
This is a weak argument btw, and the last dude AND girl that tried this same thing........never returned. Unless?
You're on a Christian site......you're going to run into pro-lifers. Surprised?
Btw, One of the posts worth responding to, you ignored.
Do you have an agenda?
The Bible says it can rejoice, but according to you the baby is dead?
If your logic was correct, people sustained on feeding tubes and respiratory machines are also dead.
If the baby is still growing and developing, it doesnt mean it's dead.
We also spiritually grow in Jesus - and it's compared with laboring/pregnancy travail until the Christ is formed, in the Bible - this doesnt mean that we are dead.
If your logic was correct, people sustained on feeding tubes and respiratory machines are also dead.
If the baby is still growing and developing, it doesnt mean it's dead.
We also spiritually grow in Jesus - and it's compared with laboring/pregnancy travail until the Christ is formed, in the Bible - this doesnt mean that we are dead.
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"Quality of Life" is not something within our control.
It isn't really within anyone's control.
You could have money today, and be broke tomorrow.
You could have a great family today, and tomorrow your husband or wife is a crackhead.
No one has control over the surprises of the universe, or the winds of change.
Actually, "quality of life" is not even within our ability to define!
To presume that anyone is qualified to define what "quality of life" is, or should be, or might be... is like trying to catch the wind in your hand.
It's not even plausible.
It isn't really within anyone's control.
You could have money today, and be broke tomorrow.
You could have a great family today, and tomorrow your husband or wife is a crackhead.
No one has control over the surprises of the universe, or the winds of change.
Actually, "quality of life" is not even within our ability to define!
To presume that anyone is qualified to define what "quality of life" is, or should be, or might be... is like trying to catch the wind in your hand.
It's not even plausible.
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I had a cousin who got pregnant in High School and instead of going to her parents, she had an abortion. Then about a year later she got pregnant again. This time, she told her parents and carried the baby to term and put him up for adoption. Since then she regrets aborting the baby and putting the other one up. As a result of all this she always had a hard time getting pregnant and has had several miscarriages as a result. She did end up only having two children. It is so sad how people think they can solve a "problem" such as pregnancy by abortion. It doesn't solve it, it ends up making it worse emotionally in the long run. Pregnancy should never be viewed as a problem and instead be viewed as a gift.
I've said it. Perhaps go back and read what I've written.
This is a Christian site and no Christian should be surprised there are pro-life persons aboard. Nor should pro-life proponents be surprised there are pro-choice people aboard. We're all here because our mothers were pro-choice. They made the choice to give birth to us.
Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. That is very often what is missed by those who are adamantly opposed to women's right to choose for her own life anything at all. From divorce, because there are ultra-conservatives who are opposed to that, to bearing the seed in her womb to term. Or not. There are those who are opposed to a single woman giving birth to what they call a bastard.
So no, no one here should be surprised this is a Christian forum full of ...people! Who are Christian and are not Christian. As we learn we do have atheists and others aboard in various posts throughout.
I respect the OP author enough to believe she posted this thread to receive input from all sides. If she'd wanted a thread wherein all people parroted one opinion and one opinion alone she'd probably have restricted it to pro-life advocates only. Or, like another Christian forum I know, banned anyone who is not pro-forced pregnancy by law even in the case of rape and incest.
But she didn't. And those rules, per my knowledge of the rules here, are not yet in place.
And so we open a thread and we seek sincere honest heart felt responses. And as Christians who are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves, I'd imagine we're not to be prone to implying dirty little accusations, or speaking in minor-text so as to personally flame an individual we're seeking to flame bait as our first post in this thread.
This is a Christian site and no Christian should be surprised there are pro-life persons aboard. Nor should pro-life proponents be surprised there are pro-choice people aboard. We're all here because our mothers were pro-choice. They made the choice to give birth to us.
Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. That is very often what is missed by those who are adamantly opposed to women's right to choose for her own life anything at all. From divorce, because there are ultra-conservatives who are opposed to that, to bearing the seed in her womb to term. Or not. There are those who are opposed to a single woman giving birth to what they call a bastard.
So no, no one here should be surprised this is a Christian forum full of ...people! Who are Christian and are not Christian. As we learn we do have atheists and others aboard in various posts throughout.
I respect the OP author enough to believe she posted this thread to receive input from all sides. If she'd wanted a thread wherein all people parroted one opinion and one opinion alone she'd probably have restricted it to pro-life advocates only. Or, like another Christian forum I know, banned anyone who is not pro-forced pregnancy by law even in the case of rape and incest.
But she didn't. And those rules, per my knowledge of the rules here, are not yet in place.
And so we open a thread and we seek sincere honest heart felt responses. And as Christians who are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves, I'd imagine we're not to be prone to implying dirty little accusations, or speaking in minor-text so as to personally flame an individual we're seeking to flame bait as our first post in this thread.
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Most abortions are not because of rape. The pro abortion people always talk about rape but they really just want women to be able to choose abortion instead of waiting for marriage or to choose a career instead of raising a family. But if that choice means murder of an innocent is it a right choice?
They argue about late and early abortions, two months, three months, why not eight months or two years if they get to be a bother?
They argue about late and early abortions, two months, three months, why not eight months or two years if they get to be a bother?
I'd rather there never be another Melissa Drexler in the world.A young woman so afraid of what her parents would say should they find out she not only had sex but conceived, that she'd kill her baby just to avoid their wrath. And in the case of Ms.Drexler, return to the prom so as to dance with the father of the now deceased newborn buried in the bathroom stall trash.
When we give girls and women no choice they often do evil things because they think they had no other choice.
When we give girls and women no choice they often do evil things because they think they had no other choice.
So in the end, it's not about the difficult 3% or whatever of cases. It's about defending any abortions, just because the mother doesnt want a child at a given point for whatever reason. Man can always go and find explanation or justification for himself, so I'm sure everybody can find their reasons. But do these reasons stand before God?
While I dont believe anyone can or should be legislatively forced in this regard, I believe what the Bible teaches on this and that we should tell others the truth from the Bible, not list our reasons to do this or that.
Why are you opposed to late term abortion? I'd appreciate if you'd answer this question.
While I dont believe anyone can or should be legislatively forced in this regard, I believe what the Bible teaches on this and that we should tell others the truth from the Bible, not list our reasons to do this or that.
Why are you opposed to late term abortion? I'd appreciate if you'd answer this question.