JESUITS ZIONISTS & CHRISTIAN DISPENSATIONALISTS

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So do we ignore Verse 25-28?

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Verses 26&27 should certainly not be ignored, for they speak of the new covenant. Therefore, what is being spoken of in ch 36 of Ezekiel cannot have happened before Jesus death at Calvary
 
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That's a good question. My thinking is that those Jews who come to their Messiah in this dispensation of the Church will receive a better 'land' promise. So no, they will not lose it but gain an even better promise.
But scripture says this of ABRAHAM and the saints that LIVED BEFORE Messiah came.

Hebrews 11

[SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she
[SUP][b][/SUP] considered him faithful who had made the promise. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
[SUP]13[/SUP]All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

By the way the writer of Hebrews says this of people who lived BEFORE Jesus came. How is that possible that they were looking for a better country,a heavenly one if they ONLY understood the promise to be that tract of land in the Middle East?

By the way that is BEFORE this dispensation of grace.
 
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But scripture says this of ABRAHAM and the saints that LIVED BEFORE Messiah came.

Hebrews 11

[SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she
[SUP][b][/SUP] considered him faithful who had made the promise. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
[SUP]13[/SUP]All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

By the way the writer of Hebrews says this of people who lived BEFORE Jesus came. How is that possible that they were looking for a better country,a heavenly one if they ONLY understood the promise to be that tract of land in the Middle East?

By the way that is BEFORE this dispensation of grace.

God said he has gone to make a place for me in heaven.

He also said he is offering me peace on earth, A rest from all my work. perfect happiness here on earth.

so what should I really be looking forward to? this stuff on earth, or what is waiting for me in heaven?


Abraham was given the land, but his focus was on heaven, it does not negate the fact that the land was still abrahams. It still belongs to him (his offspring) today. it does not mean that should be ANYONE"S focus.
 
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God said he has gone to make a place for me in heaven.

He also said he is offering me peace on earth, A rest from all my work. perfect happiness here on earth.

so what should I really be looking forward to? this stuff on earth, or what is waiting for me in heaven?


Abraham was given the land, but his focus was on heaven, it does not negate the fact that the land was still abrahams. It still belongs to him (his offspring) today. it does not mean that should be ANYONE"S focus.
So if the land promise was only for that tract of land in the Middle East why did Abraham look for a heavenly country? Why was Abraham LOOKING BEYOND the earthly land promise?
 
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So if the land promise was only for that tract of land in the Middle East why did Abraham look for a heavenly country? Why was Abraham LOOKING BEYOND the earthly land promise?
for the reason I just said.

God promised abraham and his family peace and blessings on that land. He also promised them an eternal place in heaven.

Anyone in their right mind would be focused on the heavenly, and not the physical as their main priority.


If God blessed you with alot of land and a wonderful house. would your focus be on that land and house, or the eternal reward your waiting for?

if it is the first. I would question you.
 
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The days are coming,” declares the Lord,“when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman
and the planter by the one treading grapes.
New wine will drip from the mountains
and flow from all the hills,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] and I will bring my people Israel back from exile.[SUP][f][/SUP]

“They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
[SUP]15[/SUP]I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”


says the Lord your God
Amos9: 13-15

When in your view did this take place?
Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

The body of Christ is the true tabernacle of David. The original tabernacle was a shadow and the shadow crumbled.
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

The remnant of the Jews and all the Gentiles who call upon the name of the Lord are the body of Christ.
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Amo 9:13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

Wine is the Holy Spirit. This happened at Pentecost. Amos, Joel and Isaiah prochecied of it.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Amo 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

  • Sometime after Pentecost God said he will once again bring the captivity of Israel. (It does not say "and I will bring my people Israel back from exile." as the NIV puts it.) That happened in AD 70.
  • Israel will build the waste cities (It does not say "They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them." as the NIV puts it.) Building a waste city is not a good thing.
  • The vineyards they planted and the wine and fruit... those things are the enemies of the gospel i.e. Zionism, Hebrew Roots etc.

Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Israel's land is the waste cities... God has planted them there and he is not going to pull them out.

I can see how the NIV has lead you to believe otherwise... The NIV completely flipped the meaning of Amos 9 from God cursing physical Israel to God blessing them.
 
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I can see how the NIV has lead you to believe otherwise... The NIV completely flipped the meaning of Amos 9 from God cursing physical Israel to God blessing them.
If only those scholars from all over the world who spent 15 years compiling the NIV understood as well as you believe you do, they would not have made such error as you believe they did!

I trust the Holy Spirit convicts me, not the theological mind
 
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In the book of Revelation John writes of the 144,000 sealed, 12,000 from each tribe of the children of Israel. Certainly from this scripture it is obvious that God is not finished with the children of Israel.

God will accomplish every promise he has made, and I would be the first to plead ignorance on how he will do so, but I know he will do so because he has said he will do so.

" .... And they shall look unto me whom they have pierced; and they mourn for him. ..." Zechariah 12:10
Or maybe the sealing of the 144,000 doesn't mean what most people think it means. For example most people think Zechariah 12:10 is a second coming prophecy but according to John it was fulfilled at the cross.

Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
Joh 19:35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
 
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If only those scholars from all over the world who spent 15 years compiling the NIV understood as well as you believe you do, they would not have made such error as you believe they did!

I trust the Holy Spirit convicts me, not the theological mind
So what does the Holy Spirit tell you the tabernacle of David is?
 
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So what does the Holy Spirit tell you the tabernacle of David is?
I haven't felt burdened to consider it. But if you would like to quote the relevant scripture please do.

Concerning this subject. 2,500 years after those OT prophets wrote what they did, Israel became a nation again in the land. The proof of the pudding as it were.
 
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I haven't felt burdened to consider it. But if you would like to quote the relevant scripture please do.

Concerning this subject. 2,500 years after those OT prophets wrote what they did, Israel became a nation again in the land. The proof of the pudding as it were.
What does Amos mean by raising up the tabernacle of David? And when will that tabernacle be raised up?

Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
 
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Was the throne of David in the tabernacle?
 
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What does Amos mean by raising up the tabernacle of David? And when will that tabernacle be raised up?

Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
In that day“I will restore David’s fallen shelter—
I will repair its broken walls
and restore its ruins—
and will rebuild it as it used to be,

Are you kiddin' here?
 
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What does Amos mean by raising up the tabernacle of David? And when will that tabernacle be raised up?

Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
''In that day“I will restore David’s fallen shelter—
I will repair its broken walls
and restore its ruins—
and will rebuild it as it used to be,''

The nation of Israel will rise again.
 
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Was the throne of David in the tabernacle?
Good question. In my opinion it wouldn't be in the temple because I don't remember there being a throne in any of the other temples. I'm sure there was a literal throne of David but I think most bible verses use that term to mean the authority of the throne.
 
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''In that day“I will restore David’s fallen shelter—
I will repair its broken walls
and restore its ruins—
and will rebuild it as it used to be,''

The nation of Israel will rise again.
What is David's fallen shelter?
 
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What is David's fallen shelter?
What is referred to as the city of David?

It will be as it used to be. Read the other prophecies, abandon the human intellect, and accept the scriptures in simple, childlike faith
 
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What is referred to as the city of David?

It will be as it used to be. Read the other prophecies, abandon the human intellect, and accept the scriptures in simple, childlike faith
The city of David is Bethlehem. The tabernacle of David is not a city, it's a building.