Sabbath

[prove-all]

the Sabbath everyone knows it was a sign given,and debates all day.

this marked them as his, no mico chip needed, was there hand, actions, observence.

you where given a spiritual mark, not a physical, and today still a spiritual mark of athority.


But we hardly see anyone discuss the anti mark, 666 labeling this man and where he came from,

that would change times and wear out the saints , and again seat of [rome]

has inforced this same mark,sunday worship, christen or not,

on the roman kingdom again, made into law,kingdom wide and growing


and the world welcomes it with open arms, and are decieved by the master lier.

 

[valiant]

Same as keeping the sixth or seventh Commandment?

yes if you make it a necessity for salvation. If you only do it because the Law requires it for salvation you are binding yourself to keep the whole LAW. You are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace,

 

[valiant]

the Sabbath everyone knows it was a sign given,and debates all day.

this marked them as his, no mico chip needed, was there hand, actions, observence.

you where given a spiritual mark, not a physical, and today still a spiritual mark of athority.


But we hardly see anyone discuss the anti mark, 666 labeling this man and where he came from,

that would change times and wear out the saints , and again seat of [rome]

has inforced this same mark,sunday worship, christen or not,

on the roman kingdom again, made into law,kingdom wide and growing


and the world welcomes it with open arms, and are decieved by the master lier.

are you ok? lol or have you been drinking

 

[Jeff_56]

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.....................................LIVING WATER !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jeff_56]

U?2? U keep mixing up sabbath keepers with legalists.

all of yahweh's children are sabbath keepers, saved by grace through faith in yahshua.

legalists are the ones you keep posting against, but I haven't seen anyone here yet who is a legalist the way you keep acting like yahweh's children are.

it's as if you can't do what yahweh says, because you think your deeds are too evil or dark or unforgivable.... well, IF that's the case, STOP doing what's wrong, and START doing what's right ! (it really is simple, and by FAITH IN YAHSHUA, by GRACE as ABBA PERMITS)

yes if you make it a necessity for salvation. If you only do it because the Law requires it for salvation you are binding yourself to keep the whole LAW. You are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace,

 

[just-me]

Circumcision in the law God gave to Moses is of the heart. Physical circumcision began with Abraham. The physical part of circumcision was carried through into Israel, but it wasn't first commanded by the Torah teachings. It had been established long before Moses was even born. The heart condition taught by the Torah was supposed to be the predominate entity concerning that aspect. Circumcision of the heart is actually a repentant heart.

 

[prove-all]

are you ok? lol or have you been drinking

yes very ok, i have the sign, or mark of God on me, and drinking in of his knowledge,

given on his word for observence of commandents, in this latter rain falling.


you have to [work] out youre own salvation with fear and trembling.

waiting for that mico chip, or being taken away before his comming or hidden?


but the other mark , from rome you can do what you choice or obey,

is not my call, i'm here just to help warn the world, see tribulation ahead for you.

and that i feel is what his spirit has been given to me to do, trying to do what He tells me to,

not man worship, false gods and our forfathers tradations, handed down from so long ago.


If I do not sound the trumpht knowing the enemy is comming,

i would be very guilty of there blood on my hands.

 

[john832]

yes if you make it a necessity for salvation. If you only do it because the Law requires it for salvation you are binding yourself to keep the whole LAW. You are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace,

Oh, so if I choose not to make it a necessity for salvation then murder and adultery are acceptable?

When was the authority to determine right and wrong given to man? Oh wait, I remember...

Gen 3:5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

 

[prove-all]

are you ok? lol or have you been drinking

no, but I pointed you to look at history, links I gave you. did you read them?

About the Roman empire had died, then the [holy roman] empire emerged,

and now is again

 

[valiant]

Oh, so if I choose not to make it a necessity for salvation then murder and adultery are acceptable?

When was the authority to determine right and wrong given to man? Oh wait, I remember...

Gen 3:5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Either you are deliberately obtuse or you are incapable of logical thought. no man will be saved because he does not murder and steal any more than he will by observing the Sabbath. We are saved by the grace of God acting on us, and that alone. The man who is saved by the grace of God does not, as Paul pointed out, see himself as bound by the Law. Rather he seeks to live by the law of love (not turning it into a list of do's and don'ts).

He who loves will not murder and steal, butt that is not because he is 'obeying the Law'. It is because he is serving a better law.

 

[valiant]

no, but I pointed you to look at history, links I gave you. did you read them?

About the Roman empire had died, then the [holy roman] empire emerged,

and now is again

The Roman empire does not live again. There is no Roman empire.

 

[Jeff_56]

even over 50 years is indeed a long time to live and believe a lie. it is a major obstacle to overcome,

and only by yahweh's grace, the testimony of yahshua, the blood of the lamb who was slain, is it

at all possible, ever.

 

[Jeff_56]

no, but I pointed you to look at history, links I gave you. did you read them?

About the Roman empire had died, then the [holy roman] empire emerged,

and now is again

yahshua didn't say blessed art thou prove-all because flesh and blood has taught you these things...

the links won't help anyone, even a 'good' (if there ever is such a one) active seeker.

rather as yahshua says "by my father in heaven are these things revealed"

i.e. not by human understanding, nor education, nor study, nor links, nor even reading scripture,

but only if the father in heaven grants it.

 

[valiant]

U?2? U keep mixing up sabbath keepers with legalists.

Sabbath keepers who are so from the necessity of obeying the Law ARE legalists.

all of yahweh's children are sabbath keepers, saved by grace through faith in yahshua.

This is simply untrue.

legalists are the ones you keep posting against, but I haven't seen anyone here yet who is a legalist the way you keep acting like yahweh's children are.

because you don't like to admit that you are legalists. but you are

it's as if you can't do what yahweh says, because you think your deeds are too evil or dark or unforgivable.

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what an extraordinary conclusion. I seek to do what YHWH says every day. And He says to me don't look to the Law, look to Me.

 

[valiant]

even over 50 years is indeed a long time to live and believe a lie. it is a major obstacle to overcome,

and only by yahweh's grace, the testimony of yahshua, the blood of the lamb who was slain, is it

at all possible, ever.

yes there is still hope for you if you turn from your judgmental attitude and arrogant assumption that you are right and seek humility and love even for those who disagree with you.

 

[Jeff_56]

you would listen to moses if you listen to yahshua or yahweh. he says so.

you are so mixed up, i don't know anyone on earth who can help, and the one who came back from the

dead for the sins of mankind is waiting... patiently waiting.....

 

[Jeff_56]

like me, like all the disciples, you will have to give up all your family, friends, church, everyone you sought approval from ever, everyone you ever loved or hope to love, all your income, home, and even your own life to him,

if you want to learn anything at all, if he permits.

 

[valiant]

like me, like all the disciples, you will have to give up all your family, friends, church, everyone you sought approval from ever, everyone you ever loved or hope to love, all your income, home, and even your own life to him,

if you want to learn anything at all, if he permits.

at least now I understand your problem. by your behaviour you have turned everyone against you. possibly that is your fault not theirs?

 

[Jeff_56]

........
what an extraordinary conclusion. I seek to do what YHWH says every day. And He says to me don't look to the Law, look to Me.

you don't see, do you? YHWH never tells you to seek to do what YHWH says every day.

YHWH tells us to do what YHWH says every day. we don't get to choose when , where, or how, unless He grants it ---- usually YHWH just tells us what to do, simply, and we do it, instead of not doing it by excuse of whatever excuse you have been using for so long.

YHWH NEVER TOLD YOU __ seek to do my will. He is never so general when He guides His Children. He tells us directly what to do, and usually it is right at the right time to do it(not later sometime when we think it is a good idea --- He doesn't ask us what we think or what we think is a good time to do it).

He just tells us to go, do this. feed that man. give that man a ride. give(offer) that man a place to stay.

no "trying" to do YHVH'S WILL --- not trying to..... JUST DO HIS WILL. JUST SIMPLY DO WHAT HE SAYS. JUST SIMPLY DO WHAT IS WRITTEN.

if you're still "SEEKING to do what HE SAYS" instead of DOING HIS WORD and SPEAKING HIS WORD RIGHT NOW, EVERY MOMENT.... then you aren't there yet.

 

[Jeff_56]

at least now I understand your problem. by your behaviour you have turned everyone against you. possibly that is your fault not theirs?

are you being ignorant on purpose. don't you ever listen to JESUS --- JESUS WHO SAYS "everyone will hate you because they hated ME first." and "even members of your own family may be your worse enemies" because

THEY THINK LIKE YOU! LIKE THE WORLD! and not like yahweh. they seek the things of man and not of yahweh.

that is where you are. you cannot escape yourself. no one can escape themself.