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I note no real argument against my points, just an attempt to run around them. (1) Romans crucified those convicted of crimes against Rome - claiming to be king of the Jews was such a crime. There was only 1 king to Rome - Caesar (just as the crowds say). (2) The charge on which Pilate had Jesus crucified (or allowed Jesus to be crucified, however you want to look at it) was placed on the cross, and it was that Jesus claimed to be king of the Jews. This is the reason the sign is on the cross, it's the reason Jesus was being executed by the Romans.
Pilate mocking the whole group or Jesus is irrelevant. Nor should we imagine that Pilate was so fearful of everything that he just threw Jesus over to them, and let them use his soldiers to do their bidding. No, Pilate was an extremely brutal governor who often went out of his way to offend the Jews just to prove Rome's dominance; he was known for killing en masse as he needed. It was his soldiers who carried out the execution, and it was only Rome that could legally execute anyone (especially by crucifixion) in the first place. If Pilate had thought Jesus was completely innocent of anything at all, he wouldn't have likely just capitulated. Pilate thought Jesus was guilty of at least one thing - claiming to be the king of the Jews. What probably astonished Pilate would be the crowd's insistence that he should be crucified. Normally, the people wouldn't side with Rome over one of their own. Though Jesus claimed to be king, it wasn't clear to Pilate that he had done anything violent and so deserving of their condemnation. Most messianic claimers Rome had trouble with were violent revolutionaries; Jesus didn't quite fit the modus operandi. But Pilate did think he was guilty of claiming to be a king as Pilate's actions demonstrate.
This is interesting. I didn't know Jesus claiming to be the messiah and being crucified because of it would have been so controversial. I took it as a given that we Christians believed Jesus not only claimed to be the messiah but that we believed Jesus' claim.
Do you believe that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah?
Pilate mocking the whole group or Jesus is irrelevant. Nor should we imagine that Pilate was so fearful of everything that he just threw Jesus over to them, and let them use his soldiers to do their bidding. No, Pilate was an extremely brutal governor who often went out of his way to offend the Jews just to prove Rome's dominance; he was known for killing en masse as he needed. It was his soldiers who carried out the execution, and it was only Rome that could legally execute anyone (especially by crucifixion) in the first place. If Pilate had thought Jesus was completely innocent of anything at all, he wouldn't have likely just capitulated. Pilate thought Jesus was guilty of at least one thing - claiming to be the king of the Jews. What probably astonished Pilate would be the crowd's insistence that he should be crucified. Normally, the people wouldn't side with Rome over one of their own. Though Jesus claimed to be king, it wasn't clear to Pilate that he had done anything violent and so deserving of their condemnation. Most messianic claimers Rome had trouble with were violent revolutionaries; Jesus didn't quite fit the modus operandi. But Pilate did think he was guilty of claiming to be a king as Pilate's actions demonstrate.
This is interesting. I didn't know Jesus claiming to be the messiah and being crucified because of it would have been so controversial. I took it as a given that we Christians believed Jesus not only claimed to be the messiah but that we believed Jesus' claim.
Do you believe that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah?
And Yeah I belive Jesus claimed to be Messiah
John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
John 4:26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
Jesus also said His Kingdom was not from hence as well