Who Here Never Sins?

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Delivery said:
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
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it seens one needs to be born again and again and again - wincam
 
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Bowhunter2394 said:
His Righteous Ones are on this planet, Yes His elect, these Justified by Faith, Imputed Righteousness from this belief in His Son's completed Work, being Led by Him.. the Children of the Promise, thru Isaac, born again of the In Corruptible Seed! these the children of the flesh persecute because they have 'christ + their works or works of the Law for Justification...
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Amen. That's my point. There is none righteous, no, not one. This proves that the only righteous people in the world are those who believe in Jesus, because it means that, since we can never be righteous or perfect on our own, then the only way to become righteous is to have our sins forgiven and to have righteousness imputed upon us by faith. And the only way that can happen is by receiving Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Then we become born again of incorruptible seed, as you pointed out. And we become heirs of the promises God made to Faithful Abraham, who also had righteousness imputed upon him by faith.
 
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Daniel was one of three most righteous guys mentioned this way here

Ezekiel 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it,
they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.

And Daniel (being one of three) who could save his own soul through the above
if you go back and read he is one shown confessing his sin (and sin of his people) here

Daniel 9:20 And whiles I (Daniel) was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
 
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wincam said:
it seens one needs to be born again and again and again - wincam
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Except for the fact that once you are born again, God wipes the slate clean and you are forgiven for your sins forever. Past, present and future sins. No need to keep coming back again and again to get re-saved. The idea is not that you will never make mistakes, do bad things, etc. but that all of your sins, mistakes, bad things you might do are all forgiven you by faith in Jesus. You are righteous by faith, not righteous by obeying the commandments and the law and the rules, etc.
 
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Amen. That's my point. There is none righteous, no, not one. This proves that the only righteous people in the world are those who believe in Jesus, because it means that, since we can never be righteous or perfect on our own, then the only way to become righteous is to have our sins forgiven and to have righteousness imputed upon us by faith. And the only way that can happen is by receiving Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Then we become born again of incorruptible seed, as you pointed out. And we become heirs of the promises God made to Faithful Abraham, who also had righteousness imputed upon him by faith.
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Yep

there is NON RIGHTEOUS .. OUTSIDE OF Christ's Righteousness, which is Imputed by the Father,an Act that come only from God , done in Heaven, and the Convert WILL KNOW THIS, which Makes the new Birth, a Sovereign Act of God, separate from the carnal self righteous hands of men in religion. the JUST shall live by Faith! so hard for the children of the flesh, to understand, why ? because God was not the authority in their counterfeit conversion, but the Other Sower was, and who did the Master say the other sower was? mmmmmm therein you have the 2 sowers, active on this Planet's Stage.. indeed!

and even His Own , His elect will not boast of their own Righteousness, even though they Know they are Justified because of what they have Faith in, its His Righteousness on us, making His Own , His elect, the Righteousness of God, by the Law? no but by Faith! we establish the Law of Faith, is what Paul taught.. indeed!
 
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It's important o not loose some ofthe daft meaning of the original text. I challenge each to study the original language of these scriptures and what the word sin means in each. You may find that there is a distinction between trespasses, iniquity, habitual(planned out intentional) sin, and accidental, and sin we don't even realize.
 
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One can look under the word "ignorance" which is the term Paul uses
 
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I disagree. Jesus does not call us to have dementia. Jesus calls us to be perfect as His Heavenly Father is perfect. Will some believers struggle to overcome sin? Yes. But the Scriptures do not teach that you will be a slave to sin in the fact that you will never be able to overcome it in this life. That is what being a slave to something means. If you cannot overcome something, you are a slave to it. But Paul says we are slaves to righteousness and that we used to be slaves of sin. Therein lies the difference. Jesus said, if you sin, you are a slave to sin.
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Right. He doesn't call us to have dementia. Are you really saying you never forget and sin anyway? Or you do remember, but choose to sin anyway?

I cannot overcome being a slave. If I could, I'd have no need to be a slave to Jesus either. God has helped me overcome some of my faithlessness. I used to lack faith when I was without a job too long. God made that time stretch until I became comfortable being jobless. And when I learned that step, he took me to my next step in faith -- hubby and me without jobs. And when he got me to have faith in him for that, he gave us both jobs. And when we got comfortable with that, the news announce hubby would lose his with-pension job and his pension. And then we adjusted to that (which was fairly easy, since we had five years to prepare), he made me trust him even more. Gall bladder surgery caused me to become disabled. And then I had to trust him more when I found out disabled was permanent. And then I had to trust him more when hubby became sick. And even more when we ran out of money. And even more when....

It keeps going. So, all this time I think I'm getting good at "faith in Christ" while God keeps showing me it's more than what I think it is.

That's the part you seem to lack understanding with. You think God is a slam dunk. I know he is a partner to walk with. You think he fixes everyone immediately, and that's that. I know we ain't fixed until glorification, and, until then we're somewhere between a fixer-upper and a money-pit. You think God is done. God is done. We're NOT!

I'm hoping to get you to see that, before God gives you over to your own version of a fishes' belly. You're headed for the hard trip to get where God will have you go.

What really frightens me is you spend all your time talking others into going it your way. I know your way. It's pain, suffering, and claustrophobic. If we were ever able, Jesus need never come. If you got to go through to your Nineveh by fish, don't talk others into jumping off the ship with you. We're all getting to Nineveh. Some folks are smarter and go by ship.
 
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It's important o not loose some of the meaning of the original text. I challenge each to study the original language of these scriptures and what the word sin means in each. You may find that there is a distinction between trespasses, iniquity, habitual(planned out intentional) sin, and accidental, and sin we don't even realize.
 
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DesiredHaven said:
People sin without the law and in the law.

Its just that the law doesnt equal sin itself, but the strength of sin while in the flesh.

There are folks who do evil without law though.

The law is also against those things which are contrary to sound doctrine itself

1 Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good,
if a man use it lawfully;

1 Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly
and for sinners,
for unholy and profane,
for murderers of fathers
and murderers of mothers,
for manslayers,
For whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind,
for menstealers,
for liars,
for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

So the law is not made for a righteous man,

The law is perfect for the converting of the soul (as unto Jesus Christ) who is the end of the law as it (the law) made nothing perfect just perfect for the converting of the soul unto him.
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​Amen! Preach it, Sister!
 
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If there are no righteous people in the world, then why does the bible clearly talk about righteous people?

Mt 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

Mt 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mt 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?


Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Are you saying the bible contradicts itself? Or do you believe that the bible teaches that there is a way for people to become righteous, to become sinless, just and justified, pure and clean? It's one or the other. Either the bible contradicts itself or there is a way to be changed from an unrighteous, evil person into a righteous person. Which is it for you?
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Because God knows the righteous are through him. Quit blaming the Bible, when it's your interpretation that is wrong. The Bible doesn't contradict. You ignore some and force other parts that simply isn't there. Big difference.
 
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Yonah said:
I do not practice sin... I do however miss the mark quite often but he is faithful and will do as He promised, all I must do is yield my will to His.....
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Thats what sin means though


  1. equivalent to 264
    1. to be without a share in
    2. to miss the mark
    3. to err, be mistaken
    4. to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
    5. to wander from the law of God, violate God's law,sin
  2. that which is done wrong, sin, an offence, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act
  3. collectively, the complex or aggregate of sins committed either by a single person or by many

  4. That was just cute is all I chuckled reading your post
 
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Femalelamb said:
It's important o not loose some ofthe daft meaning of the original text. I challenge each to study the original language of these scriptures and what the word sin means in each. You may find that there is a distinction between trespasses, iniquity, habitual(planned out intentional) sin, and accidental, and sin we don't even realize.
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DesiredHaven said:
People sin without the law and in the law.
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How can one sin without the law, since sinning is breaking of the law?

Surely without a law to break, no sin can be committed?

How then can one break the law and sin, without a law to break?

The law only exists because of sin anyway.

The law actually doesn't even exist nor cannot be applied to the righteous.

We are made righteous through Christ so we are above and outside the law because of Him. :)
 
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Rudimental said:
How can one sin without the law, since sinning is breaking of the law?

Surely without a law to break, no sin can be committed?

How then can one break the law and sin, without a law to break?

The law only exists because of sin anyway.

The law actually doesn't even exist nor cannot be applied to the righteous.

We are made righteous through Christ so we are above and outside the law because of Him. :)
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The Law exists today, but its Not made for the Righteous, those who try to be justified by the Law, fall 'short' because True Righteousness and Justification is found in 'belief' Faith in Christs Atoning work at the Tree... indeed.. the Law was the taskmaster to bring People to Christ, because it exposed 'sin' for what it is.. Christ has fulfilled the Law, all ordinances, so that those Will be Made Righteous thru Imputation and Justified upon 'faith' in His Sons Work on the tree.. thus the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD MADE MANIFEST outside the Law, which is Imputed by the Father thru faith in Christ.. God's Righteousness is manifested in Christ, the Gift of Righteousness, the Person of Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh... The Law exists today and is Good according to the Scripture, but as far as ATTAINING the Righteousness, God Desires or Demands? no, that is found in His Son, The Gift of Righteousness, and that is Imputed by the Father, leaving out the possibility of man with his self righteous works and hands 'boasting'. lol. God made it Very Clear at Calvary! oh indeed. He is the Way..
 
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Rudimental said:
How can one sin without the law, since sinning is breaking of the law?

Surely without a law to break, no sin can be committed?

How then can one break the law and sin, without a law to break?

The law only exists because of sin anyway.

The law actually doesn't even exist nor cannot be applied to the righteous.

We are made righteous through Christ so we are above and outside the law because of Him. :)
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You said the law equals sin, it does not.
Thats the only thing I pointed out on your post using his words (not mine) to yours
I am not interested in going back and forth on this.

I dont believe people are angels without the law and that one cant sin (even do unrighteousness) without it or in it as Paul said. You would have to wrest that out for yourself. Those would be your questions not mine. I regard all men as sinners without the law or under the law, as all have sinned whether we were under it or without it.
 
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Bowhunter2394 said:
The Law exists today, but its Not made for the Righteous, those who try to be justified by the Law, fall 'short' because True Righteousness and Justification is found in 'belief' Faith in Christs Atoning work at the Tree... indeed.. the Law was the taskmaster to bring People to Christ, because it exposed 'sin' for what it is.. Christ has fulfilled the Law, all ordinances, so that those Will be Made Righteous thru Imputation and Justified upon 'faith' in His Sons Work on the tree.. thus the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD MADE MANIFEST outside the Law, which is Imputed by the Father thru faith in Christ.. God's Righteousness is manifested in Christ, the Gift of Righteousness, the Person of Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh... The Law exists today and is Good according to the Scripture, but as far as ATTAINING the Righteousness, God Desires or Demands? no, that is found in His Son, The Gift of Righteousness, and that is Imputed by the Father, leaving out the possibility of man with his self righteous works and hands 'boasting'. lol. God made it Very Clear at Calvary! oh indeed. He is the Way..
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what's even WORSE, is a Galatian type deception, the works of the flesh in the professing body of Christ, which is Christ, + the works of the Law, that is very very evident on here.. if Paul were alive today, he would be run out of almost ever denominational division or sect claiming to be of 'christ'.. Cause he would expose their error.. the Huge galatian type deception, if your Led of the Spirit, it shouldnt suprise you because the coming Harlot of Rev 17 will used sorcery-witchcraft, pharmakus- behavior control meds to mold and conform 'many' on this planet during the first 3.5 years of Daniels 70th week. its thru these, medications , the use of them to create a man made image, that the false christ like image is 'formed'.. sorcery-witchcraft... there is alot of good medicine out there today.. but the use of behavior medication to mold and conform somebody to an 'image of christ'. this trumps the Blood of Christ, which can only 'change' a person from the inside out.. indeed!
 
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I agree...there seems to be quite a few that think they are above sin......Yes we can keep from committing horrific sins and suppress our sin nature dia the power of Christ to some extent, but NO ONE on this planet is sinless and above sin....John who was faithful to the extreme unto the Lord, Wortes almost 25 percent of the N.T. stated clearly that if we say we HAVE NO SIN (present tense) then we are decieved and the truth is not in US.....Isaiah said our righteousnesses are as a filty rag and our INIQUITIES like the ind have taken us away.....the most righteous thing we can do is marred by our sin nature and our own sin......Yes i can keep from stealing, lying, killing etc....but to say I do not sin or havent sinned in the last year, month etc. belies the truth and is contrary to the truth.....The problem is simple.....MY body is dead because of SIN and MY SPIRIT that has been born of GOD DOES NOT SIN.....The spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is WEAK!
 
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