Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Jeff_56]

what did JESUS say to those like the rcc? (and the rcc is far far worse than those he said this to)>>

[h=1] John 8:44-45King James Version (KJV)
[/h] [SUP]44 [/SUP]Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

 

[valiant]

Ah, there are holes in love and forgiveness?

you argue so dishonestly it is almost unbelievable. your church has so corrupted you that you cannot even discuss honestly but try to make out that people say what they didn't say. Well it figures. Your corrupt church has been doing it for centuries. Nothing good or honest comes out of the Roman Catholic church.

The holes are in the baskets you want to put your eggs in, the baskets of tradition.

You can't find love in faith alone or scripture alone.

That is in fact the only way in which you will find true love and forgiveness. But I know from the way that you reply that you have found neither.

One can know scripture to the tee, have absolute faith, yet be without love and forgiveness.

No, you are wrong. you cannot know true saving faith without it being followed by love and forgiveness. But Jesus said that true forgiveness should only be given to those who repent. When you repent of what you are I will give you love and forgiveness.

 

[mattp0625]

you argue so dishonestly it is almost unbelievable. your church has so corrupted you that you cannot even discuss honestly but try to make out that people say what they didn't say. Well it figures. Your corrupt church has been doing it for centuries. Nothing good or honest comes out of the Roman Catholic church.

The holes are in the baskets you want to put your eggs in, the baskets of tradition.




That is in fact the only way in which you will find true love and forgiveness. But I know from the way that you reply that you have found neither.



No, you are wrong. you cannot know true saving faith without it being followed by love and forgiveness. But Jesus said that true forgiveness should only be given to those who repent. When you repent of what you are I will give you love and forgiveness.

insults, name calling, and condemnation made on this board prove otherwise

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by SAVAS

Its no wonder that Martin Luther tried to get the book of James thrown out completely. So basically Sola Scriptura right? Bible alone! We need nothing else but the Bible and our mind.....except this part of the Bible.

The remark about James (that it was a right strawy epistle) was made in haste rather rashly in his younger days as a Christian. He never tried to get it thrown out completely, and never said such an unwise things again. He fully accepted it as Scripture and commentated on it. You should not listen to Roman Catholic propaganda..

 

[Elin]

Friend, the larger point is calling out those who claim to have the "pure" Word of God, based on "scripture alone".

These are the same folks who use this claim of having the "pure" Word to condemn others, as suggested in the title to this thread and many posts therein.

What you'll find is this basis is comprised of many personal interpretations of scripture, not scripture alone. We even proved this "Sola Scriptura" concept is not found in the bible.

Please show where Scripture authorizes anything outside itself as an authority for special revelation from God.

We are not saying we don't believe in the Trinity. Just pointing out the misleading basis for finger pointing.[/QUOTE]

 

[valiant]

insults, name calling, and condemnation made on this board prove otherwise

well don't do them then. and try and answer people straightly without moving off at a tangent or insinuating they said what they did not. we call you devious because you are devious.

 

[mattp0625]

I have never named called or issued insults.

Protestants here - not hard to find...

 

[mattp0625]

Please show where Scripture authorizes anything outside itself as an authority for special revelation from God.

We are not saying we don't believe in the Trinity. Just pointing out the misleading basis for finger pointing.

[/QUOTE]




James 2:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


Matthew 22:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John 13:

[SUP]34 [/SUP]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Romans 1:
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

2 Thessalonians 2:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.



Matthew 5:

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 6:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[valiant]

I have never named called or issued insults.

Protestants here - not hard to find...

no you are just devious

 

[mattp0625]

glad to see you smile!

 

[Elin]

Please show where Scripture authorizes anything outside itself as
an authority for special revelation from God.

James 2:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Matthew 22:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John 13:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Romans 1:
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

2 Thessalonians 2:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Matthew 5:
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 6:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Non-responsive. . .

Pay attention.

 

[mattp0625]

You probably enjoyed 2 Thessalonians the most, I'm guessing.

Are you saying the epistles of Paul are not divinely inspired

Sola Scriptura - except 2 Thessalonians?

 

[Jeff_56]

well don't do them then. and try and answer people straightly without moving off at a tangent or insinuating they said what they did not. we call you devious because you are devious.

I have never named called or issued insults.

Protestants here - not hard to find...

and not in charge of himself. JESUS called those who were converted by the sons of the devil much much worse things than anyone on this forum can even think of, and by the WORD OF GOD, not his own idea.

the point is not as if final judgment hoped for for those deceived by the heresy,

but freedom from it and salvation in yahshua, but JESUS did not beat around the bush with niceties
(neither did yahweh the creator)
when
speaking to
people who continually sinned against him and practiced idolatry openly.

JESUS told them very obviously and
very
directly their sin and to repent of it if they wanted to not suffer his curse.

those then, and those today, (most of the world and most of the rcc) , do not even think of crying to GOD , repenting, turning to HIM, seeking TRUTH, or doing what is right in HIS EYES,

and they will not stop, not even think of stopping from serving demons(worshiping demons).

it is very very very serious, as GOD'S WORD says clearly. many souls are destroyed by the HERESY.

 

[Elin]

Friend, please point to the words "only", "alone", or "authority" below:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

You still do not know the meaning of Sola Scriptura, which is about the sufficiency of Scripture for doctrinal truth.

The doctrine (stop the immature distractive word games) of
the sufficiency of Scripture as spiritual authority is stated in 2Tim 3:16.

The Scriptures are
able to make one wise for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ,
useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, training in righteousness
to perfect and thoroughly equip the man of God for every good work.

For what more does a man of God need an earthly spiritual authority?

Nada. . .Sola Scriptura.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by mattp0625

James 2:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Well James was perfectly correct. Saving faith which does not produce works is impossible, for one consequence of saving faith is having one's life changed by the power of Christ. Nevertheless the works do not contribute to our being saved. They are a consequence of it. We are saved though faith alone when we personally commit our lives to Jesus Christ for HIM to save us (Rom 3.24-29; Ephe 2.8-10; Tit 3.5).

Matthew 22:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

That should certainly be our aim once we are saved. But I would not want to be judged in the light of it. Along with all human, including Mary, I come so very short of it. So did Mary. However, salvation through faith has to come first. Without that we would have no hope of its fulfilment.

J

ohn 13:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

This of course is talking about love among true disciples of Christ. Again it is a consequence of saving faith. It is not a condition of salvation, but a consequence of it. But non-disciples and idolaters are not included.

Romans 1:
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

This is at the heart of the Gospel. Because we HAVE BEEN (perfect tense) ACCOUNTED AS RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH we are put in the right with God, and therefore experience peace with Him. This is at the heart of salvation by faith alone.

2 Thessalonians 2:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

yes we are to hold the traditions (what he has passed on) taught by Paul, first by word of mouth, then in his letters. The only traditions of Paul anyone knows about are those in his letters. So our only source is the Scriptures.

As this was one of his earliest letters those traditions would not have been very many, unless we include what he passed on from the Old Testament. They would also have included some of what was passed on by Paul of the life of Jesus which we can find in the Gospels.

But the words relate to past 'passings on', the passings on of Paul. Only an utter fool could read this as indicating whatever traditions came later over hundreds and thousands of years.

Matthew 5:

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Yes they have been blessed with salvation otherwise they could not be like this. It is because they have been blessed by God that they are saved, and therefore meek and poor in spirit. No one is as humble in spirit as the person who knows that his whole salvation depends on the unmerited favour and love of God without him having contributed anything to it.
Matthew 6:
[SUP]

14

[/SUP]For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Very true. As Jesus said. If they come to us and say, 'I repent', we are to forgive them

 

[Elin]

Brother Jackson

I don't put all my eggs in one basket. I would not rely on scapular alone, just like not scripture alone, or faith alone.

All my eggs are in one basket. . .Jesus Christ.

 

[JesusLives]

I really don't know the answer to this question so I am asking it here....

Are Catholics considered Christians? Are they called Christians?

 

[mattp0625]

Did you just "thou fool" me again?? The name calling demonstrates scriptural basis and faith, without love.

So Paul only meant traditions established over the few years after Demascus Road? Traditions usually take time to develop and become established.

Works alone? No. Works help? You bet:

[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[mattp0625]

All my eggs are in one basket. . .Jesus Christ.

and Sola Scriptura

You're married, yes? Was your wedding liturgy issued by Christ or the bible?

Were you married by a pastor or in a church?

 

[mattp0625]

I really don't know the answer to this question so I am asking it here....

Are Catholics considered Christians? Are they called Christians?

Sir, yes Catholics believe in Christ

A Protestant will say no because we don't adopt their opinions.