Where is Eden now??

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I can tell you where it ain't...it ain't in my back garden which is full of moss, weeds, dandelions etc...:(
maybe...

moss may be good for wounds, and used to be used hundreds of years before diapers were invented...

weeds and dandelions have been used medicinally for thousands of years,
on 'educational tv' was shown a 'cure' for (un-nameable liver disease) that the native americans have used successfully for over 500 years (made from dandelion tea)....
 
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And also the scripture stating Satan is the God of this world is FALSE!

2 Corinthians 4:4-The*god of this age*has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
The god of this age, that doesn't have to mean Satan. Does not God choose whom he wants and harden those rejected? What if one God has rejected, hears the gospel and God hasn't chosen him. Does such a man 'see the light', no, as David says:
Psalm 69:23-May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever.
It depends on God's mercy, we don't choose him and open our own eyes. He does this himself so that his power may be displayed through them, so that his objects borne for destruction should be made known. If no one is rejected, his power of wrath is never revealed. So yes, the God of THIS AGE, has blinded the eyes of the very ones David said to. He chooses. Not us, not satan. Those he chooses none can snatch out of his hands. Those he rejects, well he's the potter, not me, he has the right to turn us lumps of clay into whatever he wants, who I am to say I understand that, and who am i to ask who formed man, what have your hands made.
 
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hasatan is the prince of the power of the air; he 'rules' the kingdoms /nations/rcc /religions of the earth/ world.


"within" the boundaries yahweh set. and just until yahshua returns.
 
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2 Thessalonians 2:11*For this reason*God sends them a powerful*delusion so that they will believe the lie, and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2 Corinthians 4:4-The*god of this age*has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Romans 9:14*What then shall we say?*Is God unjust? Not at all!*
15*For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."*
16*It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
17*For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."*
18*Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.*
It's easier to see, who is in charge of the blinding when you see this, granted it's allowed to happen, it's done through Satan, he was created for a purpose. God can't sin, but he sure created a weapon to test us with.
 
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The resurrection is the restoration of the kingdom to Israel. We are the Israel of God, who will be taken up, and that is the restoration. Understand that and you will understand why Christ says the tree is in the Paradise of God in Rev 2....think about it.
 
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maybe...

moss may be good for wounds, and used to be used hundreds of years before diapers were invented...

weeds and dandelions have been used medicinally for thousands of years,
on 'educational tv' was shown a 'cure' for (un-nameable liver disease) that the native americans have used successfully for over 500 years (made from dandelion tea)....
I have a book...wild edibles of Missouri and some of the uses for the plants, flowers etc. is very interesting in deed!
 
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I have a book...wild edibles of Missouri and some of the uses for the plants, flowers etc. is very interesting in deed!
That book may come in handy soon too! Sounds like you are prepping...lol As it is written, head for the hills indeed
 
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The garden of Eden is somewhere deep beneath the earth's crust, because of Noah's Flood.
 
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The garden of Eden is somewhere deep beneath the earth's crust, because of Noah's Flood.
Is the tree of life still there as well??
In Genesis the tree of life is in a Garden named Eden.
In revelation the tree of life is in a Garden called Paradise.
Paradise is heaven, where Jesus went to be by the Father's side.

So did God move the tree, is it a different tree, is it a tree at all??
 
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The garden of Eden was paradise on earth . . . where in the beginning man walked and talked with God. Where it is now doesn't really matter but one day, it will be restored

Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth", for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away . . . I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, . . . Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people and God himself will be with them and be their God. . . . [Gen. 3:8 . . heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day . .]

Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, . . . [Gen 2:9a,10a In the middle of the garden were the tree of life . . . A river watering the garden flowed from Eden]
 
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The garden of Eden was paradise on earth . . . where in the beginning man walked and talked with God. Where it is now doesn't really matter but one day, it will be restored

Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth", for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away . . . I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, . . . Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people and God himself will be with them and be their God. . . . [Gen. 3:8 . . heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day . .]

Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, . . . [Gen 2:9a,10a In the middle of the garden were the tree of life . . . A river watering the garden flowed from Eden]
Absolutely, and the kingdom will be restored.
 

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The Bible (the law of God), including Genesis, is written in parable language (Psalm 78:1-2) so that the surface words have a spiritual meaning, usually relating to the theme of salvation. For example, people in the Bible are spoken of as being trees in parable language. Jesus is the tree of life. It is not a literal tree but a parable word for Jesus. That is why the tree is in the midst of the garden. Jesus is in the midst of the believers many times in the Bible. Further, the bride of Christ, the true believers, are called a garden in the Bible. They are not a literal garden but they are people. The river that flowed out of Eden to water the garden is the word of God, the gospel.

The question that was initially asked about where is Eden now, is a little like asking: "Where is the stone that the builders rejected? Is it at a construction site? No, Jesus is the stone. Think in parable language.
 
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The Bible (the law of God), including Genesis, is written in parable language (Psalm 78:1-2) so that the surface words have a spiritual meaning, usually relating to the theme of salvation. For example, people in the Bible are spoken of as being trees in parable language. Jesus is the tree of life. It is not a literal tree but a parable word for Jesus. That is why the tree is in the midst of the garden. Jesus is in the midst of the believers many times in the Bible. Further, the bride of Christ, the true believers, are called a garden in the Bible. They are not a literal garden but they are people. The river that flowed out of Eden to water the garden is the word of God, the gospel.

The question that was initially asked about where is Eden now, is a little like asking: "Where is the stone that the builders rejected? Is it at a construction site? No, Jesus is the stone. Think in parable language.
No, the Bible is not a series of parables. It contains parables, but it's God at work within history and the present and the future.
 
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I want to make the observation that was overlooked the first time I made it...The GARDEN was planted Eastward in EDEN....the whole earth was paradise.....and that has been lost
due to sin and the fall of man!
 
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That book may come in handy soon too! Sounds like you are prepping...lol As it is written, head for the hills indeed
Well, I cant give away all my secrets HAHA I will say though, there are 4 things that kill tribulation saints and I can do something about 3 of them............! :) Although I am sure the pre-tribbers would disagree and or say it does not matter :) haha yeah I know and hear you all!
 

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I want to make the observation that was overlooked the first time I made it...The GARDEN was planted Eastward in EDEN....the whole earth was paradise.....and that has been lost
due to sin and the fall of man!
Thanks for mentioning the eastward fact. The word east in the Bible is a parable word having to do with Christ. When the Bible says that the garden was planted eastward it means 'towards Christ'. The 'people of the east' that Jacob meets and fellowships with in Genesis are 'people of Christ' and are called Jacobs' brethren. The sun was made by God to rise in the east as a picture of Christ rising to give light to the world. The 'kings of the east' in Revelation is not talking about Chinese royalty but about true believers. True believers are kings together with Christ in the spirit, ruling and reigning, not as earthly kings do. Wise men from the east, also the same idea.
 
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Thanks for mentioning the eastward fact. The word east in the Bible is a parable word having to do with Christ. When the Bible says that the garden was planted eastward it means 'towards Christ'. The 'people of the east' that Jacob meets and fellowships with in Genesis are 'people of Christ' and are called Jacobs' brethren. The sun was made by God to rise in the east as a picture of Christ rising to give light to the world. The 'kings of the east' in Revelation is not talking about Chinese royalty but about true believers. True believers are kings together with Christ in the spirit, ruling and reigning, not as earthly kings do. Wise men from the east, also the same idea.
The bible also states the GOD is in the NORTH parts and or North......if i rememeber right there is nothing behind the North Star......Key words (if i rememebr right) :)
 
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The Bible (the law of God), including Genesis, is written in parable language (Psalm 78:1-2) so that the surface words have a spiritual meaning, usually relating to the theme of salvation. For example, people in the Bible are spoken of as being trees in parable language. Jesus is the tree of life. It is not a literal tree but a parable word for Jesus. That is why the tree is in the midst of the garden. Jesus is in the midst of the believers many times in the Bible. Further, the bride of Christ, the true believers, are called a garden in the Bible. They are not a literal garden but they are people. The river that flowed out of Eden to water the garden is the word of God, the gospel.

The question that was initially asked about where is Eden now, is a little like asking: "Where is the stone that the builders rejected? Is it at a construction site? No, Jesus is the stone. Think in parable language.
Yes Jesus is the tree! There is no other tree that gives life. That was kind of the Point for this thread, i thouht if we could just see how the tree has never stopped existing, maybe we could see from where it was man was banished in the first place, and that has everything to with the restoration.

They had clothed themselves with Christ in that tree. Every tree is recognized by its fruit. Fruits of righteousness are ETERNAL LIFE. What other tree could possibly lead to death and is Apart from Christ, and that is the flesh of a mortal man. Was it really an apple on the tree of knowledge, Lol. Every tree is recognized by its fruit, and there is only one thing producing fruit that leads to death! When they sinned they realized they were naked, they hid themselves because they realized they were no longer eating from that tree, nor a part of that tree. AND doesn't Paul say we are no longer naked, we HAVE CLOTHED OURSELVES WITH CHRIST.

There are different kinds of Flesh...and that place was a different kind of place.

Everything about the coming of Christ, the spiritual kingdom it will be, the tree we are a part of and taken up as, is a restoration to the condition it was before the fall, even the bodies we will bear, Christ is the resurrection of mankind, restored to its original condition as spiritual immortal beginning.

It took me a while to figure out how it is we were going to Judge the Angels. I say figure it out, let me rephrase, the best way I can make myself understand that, because it talks about not sparing Angels when they sinned....and it had to try and understand, where did those immortal beings go when they died?? Why was everyone on the face of the planet dead apart from Christ, and why was it we are going to be restored to this heavenly Image of Christ.....how FAR was the fall of man?

If the Angels are judged, then it goes to say when Paul talks about us All standing before Christ, that includes them, where else are they going to stand? And it was a judgment for things done while in the body.

And if these beings were being judged by things done while in the body, how does that work? The best thing I can come up with is ministering spirits. The spirit needs a body, isnt it safe to assume that just like Adam needed a HELPER, a wife, doesn't the spirit need a helper as well, as a wife, to become on flesh with? Just like the fallen Angels, can't we distinguish the spirit of the antichrist by the earthly bodies words and actions, the two are one flesh, and therefore judgement may be passed on both, by things done while in the body. And I think it can be applied the other way as well, for those who build up man, and make them walk in the spirit of God, who are joined to the flesh as ministering spirits. Ministering spirits to man, kind of sounds like a counselor to me in the first place, I mean, what else are these ministering spirits doing? Spirit is spirit is spirit, they were all created in the image of God, therefore one with God, what other Spirit could possibly be sustaining them?

I mean, if the second Adam is spirit....just who is the second Eve?

That Life giving spirit, joined to our flesh, IS the new creation. We are formed by the spirit, just as eve was formed from the man. We are to be one with that spirit, just as eve was one with the first man.

Once that has happened, that is the resurrected state of man and as Paul mentioned, we are no longer naked for we HAVE CLOTHED OURSELVES WITH CHRIST. What was it they realized after their eyes were opened that sin had done to their bodies, was that the nakedness referenced possibly, that sin had made them naked without CHRST?

If God didn't spare Christ himself from enduring scorn and shame, why should I assume he spared any other heavenly being as well?


When Job talks about not even the heavens being pure in his eyes, that gets really deep! Just my idea on these things.
 
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Well, I cant give away all my secrets HAHA I will say though, there are 4 things that kill tribulation saints and I can do something about 3 of them............! :) Although I am sure the pre-tribbers would disagree and or say it does not matter :) haha yeah I know and hear you all!
Yeah they might, I'm a 2 time vet, Iraq and Afghanistan. God saved me from that place, and latter on just saved my soul.

A great distress on all nations is what is said, and also head for the hills! Doesn't sound too blissful to me before he comes.

Got my stuff ready to hit the woods, just in case...lol