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TheMiracleMan said:
You cannot see what I did. Your eyes are not open to that which I do. And no I am not going to tell you.
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And that would indicate to me.......don't listen to him. Why would any Christian want to hide truth if they believe they have it?
 
Gr8grace said:
Your premise started with what you thought I said. I did not say it was a struggle with sin. I said it was suffering in the flesh And NOT sinning while we are going through the suffering.

The IRS is one example~~ we may be wrongly suffering from a bogus audit. But we need to "arm" ourselves with doctrine in our soul to not sin while we go through the undeserved suffering.

The IRS is a great example, because we could easily feel justified in our complaints,murmuring,gossiping about the IRS. But they are the law of the land and we have to obey their rules even when we KNOW they are wrong.
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I am still a little fuzzy on what you believe on 1 Peter 4:1 here. Are you saying that you suffer in the flesh as in reference to you sinning physically and yet you are not sinning on some kind of spiritual level because Jesus paid the price for that sin? Is that what you are saying?
 
TheMiracleMan said:
You cannot see what I did. Your eyes are not open to that which I do. And no I am not going to tell you.
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I know you quoted me and then used a set of verses out of context that have nothing to do with the over all sin that is found within humanity including both Jews and Gentiles........!
 
Jason0047 said:
I am still a little fuzzy on what you believe on 1 Peter 4:1 here. Are you saying that you suffer in the flesh as in reference to you sinning physically and yet you are not sinning on some kind of spiritual level because Jesus paid the price for that sin? Is that what you are saying?
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Okay. I think I might have been off the mark in my first reply to you. If that is the case, then sorry about that. I am thinking about your IRS example here that you made. But I really do not see how it fits. 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. This is a past tense action expressed. It is not a present tense word put forth by Peter telling them what they must put into practice only. Peter is saying a truth. They that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. He is speaking as if he has seen this before. Also, the IRS example just doesn't jive with the text. Nowhere is it stating that this sin is the type of sin that does not lead unto death like complaining about the immoral laws within one's government. So I do not believe it is not talking about faults or errors (versus say sins that will lead unto the Second Death, like the Lake of Fire).

Besides, if the law in the IRS is immoral it is not wrong to talk out against it. For surely if the US Government asked you to take the Mark of the Beast tomorrow... would you not talk out against it and say it is bad?

Anyways, I am just trying to understand where you are coming from with this verse. You are still being very unclear in the way that you are explaining it. Does one cease from sin by suffering in the flesh thru obeying God's Commands? Suffer in well doing? If that is the case, then we agree. No? If we do not agree, you really have to explain it to me in a way that is a little more clear.
 
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Sirk said:
Yoda....is that you? Star wars is coming out this Christmas. Pretty excited about it.
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God will mark this you have said to me as disrespectful to me...without cause.

You did not have no reason to say this to me. Except to mock and be disrespectful to me.
 
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