Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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Catholic_Christian said:
Hello Robo0p, my name is Richard, and I am Catholic. When trying to understand the Catholic doctrine of Mary, one of the most essential things that you must grasp is something call “typology”. Biblical typology is The Old Testament preparing the way for the New Testament, where many things are prefigured and foreshadowed in the Old Testament, and fulfilled in the New. The Old Testament contains many persons, images and events which prefigure persons, images and events in the New Testament. These are known as “types” and the study of them is known as “typology”. In order to fully understand the New Testament, we must read it in light of the Old. Passages in the Bible are full of this “typology”:
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It might be a shock to you but many here understand typology and symbolism in the bible.
Just as the Ark was made perfect, so was Mary. Just as the Ark was kept from all harm, so was Mary through her sinlessness. The writers of the Old Testament knew this, and that is why they gave so many parallels of her as the fulfillment of the Ark in the New Testament writings. If you were a Jew in the Old Testament, you would be saying: that box has nothing special about it! That is idolatry! Only God!
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I don't think you see the difference between sanctified and made perfect as in without sin. The ark and Mary were sanctified, set apart, for Gods use. Neither were made perfect as in sinless.
MARY WAS NOT A SINNER. Mary was made unblemished just as God made the Ark. This is also seen in the Annunciation in the Gospel of Luke. In the original greek texts, Gabriel says: “Chaire, kecharitōmenē, ho kyrios meta sou!”

Chaire: “Chaire” means “Hail”, and is used only in the context of speaking to royalty. Mary was so favored by God, who wished to save her from sin, that she deserves this greeting: a greeting used to greet royalty.

Kecharitomene: “Kecharitomene” means “full of grace”

"Kecharitomene" is a perfect passive participle of "charitoo" [charitoo (verb) comes from the same Greek root of “charis” - which means “grace” and charitoó means to fill or endow with grace] or in other words: "Hail, one who has always been full of grace."
"Kecharitomene" is the perfect passive participle tense of the verb meaning "to fill with grace," Because it is in the perfect participle tense, it means that Mary was already filled with grace and there is no room for sin in her before the Annunciation, the implication being that she was the immaculate!
No other character in the bible was called kecharitomene except for Mary. The Angel Gabriel is not speaking his own words, rather he is delivering God’s message to her.
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This is a prime example of wishful thinking on the part of Rome. Sanctification is not sinless perfection. Sinless perfection will only occur in the new heaven and the new earth at the end of the world. God will destroy the current world and heavens and remake them without the corruption of sin.

This is what apostasy does. It takes the truth of Gods work and fashions it to suit the purposes of sinful men. Shadows are not substance and types are not facts. Truth is only revealed through Gods word by the Holy Spirit and only in the hearts of believers. Unbelievers can only understand the gospel message and their need to be saved from their sins by grace apart from their works which are evil.

For the cause of Christ
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Jeff_56 said:
i left for a few days after mwc posted that he prefers his parish to jesus. he is a 'real' person, devoted to something,
but not willing to give up the approval of his parish or family or priest to agree with Jesus and Yahweh's Word. ---

all the garbage that his parish presents to him he swallows easy as a camel....

but he's afraid if he believed the truth, they will reject him (and he is right about this - the parish and priext are not allowed to serve, follow, worship or obey Jesus; they are all required to bow to the pope. if he , if anyone there, turns to Jesus, they will be shunned, excommunicated, maybe executed (happens daily) )...
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I never said i prefer my parish to Jesus. That is a lie just like the rest of the garbage you just posted about me.
 
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mwc68 said:
I never said i prefer my parish to Jesus. That is a lie just like the rest of the garbage you just posted about me.
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unless you get the mods to delete it, it is still there.

it was a combination of joy and sorrow when you posted it, because there's joy in realizing you're a person and not a bot,
but sorrow in realizing you've gone along with the crowd/family/parish that you have settled in....

there's nothing anyone can say , not even Jesus raised from the dead, to make you give up what you want.
 
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unless you get the mods to delete it, it is still there.

it was a combination of joy and sorrow when you posted it, because there's joy in realizing you're a person and not a bot,
but sorrow in realizing you've gone along with the crowd/family/parish that you have settled in....

there's nothing anyone can say , not even Jesus raised from the dead, to make you give up what you want.
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I really think you need some Jesus or at least proffesional help.Because i like my local parish, i put it over Jesus? Absurd! I love my mom and dad but don't put them over Jesus. I love my dogbut i don't put him over Jesus. I love my guitar but i don't put it over Jesus. Seek help dude
 
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GOOD! (if you're telling the truth)

the angels in heaven will all rejoice if you do trust and obey JESUS, as a sheep listens to and follows the shepherd.

(WAY WAY WAY MORE THAN GOOD --- GREAT times A MILLION !!!)

now, pray constantly, seek JESUS.... and do what HE says....

a true miracle if.... if....
 
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Athanasius is not in my Bible, so maybe he is off too. The word I did not mention when I wrote . I really don't believe in a trinity either. I believe that Yahweh came in the flesh in the form of a man. He was the son of Adam, (the son of man)and he took away the Adam's sin as well.
 
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Rhythm801 said:
Athanasius is not in my Bible, so maybe he is off too. The word I did not mention when I wrote . I really don't believe in a trinity either. I believe that Yahweh came in the flesh in the form of a man. He was the son of Adam, (the son of man)and he took away the Adam's sin as well.
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If YHWH was here in the form of a man, Who was running the universe and the heavens outside the universe? MATTHEW 28.19 makes clear that YHWH (the Name) is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In other words He is triune.
 
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Jesus' mother and friends attempted to "speak" to Jesus while he was meeting indoors with his freshly ordained apostles and other followers, believing he had gone mad from his new religion.

Mark 3:31-35 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

Jesus' mother and brethren stood outside wanting to speak to Jesus.

[SUP]33 [/SUP] And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[SUP]35 [/SUP] For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Jesus' friends, brethren, even mother failed to recognize who Jesus really was. Mary missed it. By not believing she was sinning like everyone else not believing the Word. That ought to be a wake up call for everyone, how easy it is for anyone to be found an unbeliever, yet in our sins. Perhaps Jesus was yet but 'her little boy', like many mothers cling to their precious child, but there is no excuse. Had she been a believer she would not be among those trying to hinder him.

 
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Word_Swordsman said:
Jesus' mother and friends attempted to "speak" to Jesus while he was meeting indoors with his freshly ordained apostles and other followers, believing he had gone mad from his new religion.

Mark 3:31-35 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

Jesus' mother and brethren stood outside wanting to speak to Jesus.

[SUP]33 [/SUP] And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[SUP]35 [/SUP] For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Jesus' friends, brethren, even mother failed to recognize who Jesus really was. Mary missed it. By not believing she was sinning like everyone else not believing the Word. That ought to be a wake up call for everyone, how easy it is for anyone to be found an unbeliever, yet in our sins. Perhaps Jesus was yet but 'her little boy', like many mothers cling to their precious child, but there is no excuse. Had she been a believer she would not be among those trying to hinder him.
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The Blessed Mary didn't hinder him
 
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mwc68 said:
The Blessed Mary didn't hinder him
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She tried very hard. But Jesus would not cooperate. He didn't bless her at the time. He put her in her place as someone who was not receiving Him for what He was. Indeed later He said that those who heard the word of God and kept it were the really blessed. You just refuse to open your eyes.
 
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She tried very hard. But Jesus would not cooperate. He didn't bless her at the time. He put her in her place as someone who was not receiving Him for what He was. Indeed later He said that those who heard the word of God and kept it were the really blessed. You just refuse to open your eyes.
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I have to agree to disagree
 
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Word_Swordsman said:
Jesus' mother and friends attempted to "speak" to Jesus while he was meeting indoors with his freshly ordained apostles and other followers, believing he had gone mad from his new religion.

Mark 3:31-35 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

Jesus' mother and brethren stood outside wanting to speak to Jesus.

[SUP]33 [/SUP] And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[SUP]35 [/SUP] For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Jesus' friends, brethren, even mother failed to recognize who Jesus really was. Mary missed it. By not believing she was sinning like everyone else not believing the Word. That ought to be a wake up call for everyone, how easy it is for anyone to be found an unbeliever, yet in our sins. Perhaps Jesus was yet but 'her little boy', like many mothers cling to their precious child, but there is no excuse. Had she been a believer she would not be among those trying to hinder him.
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How did you come up with Mary thought he was mad? that's a new one lol
 
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mwc68 said:
How did you come up with Mary thought he was mad? that's a new one lol
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'and when his family members heard it they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said 'He is beside Himself', --there came to Him His mother and His brothers, and standing outside, they sent to Him, calling Him ---' (Mark 3.21, 31).
 
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'and when his family members heard it they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said 'He is beside Himself', --there came to Him His mother and His brothers, and standing outside, they sent to Him, calling Him ---' (Mark 3.21, 31).
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This verse does not mention Mary at all. It does mention his kinsman. How do you get Mary out of that? Are you so filled with hatred for her you have to make stuff up?
 
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Jackson123 said:
[SUP]35[/SUP] For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Jesus has millions of mother, not only Mary.

Jesus never lie. And Jesus just. If Mary Queen of heaven, than millions mother will be Queen of heaven. Otherwise, Jesus liar.
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In this specific verse, Mark 3:21-31, it speaks of Jesus relatives. Cousins, nephews, nieces etc. It does not mention Mary. the commit was made earlier that Mary thought Jesus was mad, which couldn't be further from the truth
 
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mwc68 said:
In this specific verse, Mark 3:21-31, it speaks of Jesus relatives. Cousins, nephews, nieces etc. It does not mention Mary. the commit was made earlier that Mary thought Jesus was mad, which couldn't be further from the truth
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I believe the point he was trying to make is that his disciples and his followers were like his brothers.His mother believed in him and had asked him to perform his first miracle in the changing of the water to wine. The greatest commandment was to love "Yahweh thy Elohim with all thy heart and with all thy mind. And the other one is like it, to love thy neighbor as they self. On these two hang all the law and the prophets. " I think that to say anything different is taking things out of context.
 
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Originally Posted by valiant 'and when his family members heard it they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said 'He is beside Himself', --there came to Him His mother and His brothers, and standing outside, they sent to Him, calling Him ---' (Mark 3.21, 31).
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This verse does not mention Mary at all. It does mention his kinsman. How do you get Mary out of that? Are you so filled with hatred for her you have to make stuff up?
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Are you saying that His mother was not Mary? And I always thought she was. Who His family were is defined, HIS MOTHER AND HIS BROTHERS.

I guess your mind is just full of hatred to talk like that.
 
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mwc68 said:
In this specific verse, Mark 3:21-31, it speaks of Jesus relatives. Cousins, nephews, nieces etc. It does not mention Mary. the commit was made earlier that Mary thought Jesus was mad, which couldn't be further from the truth
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but mention mother, Are you believe Mary not His mother?

Yes for Jesus His mother is who ever do the will of God, but for the crowd His mother is Mary.
 
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