Christianity, the most offensive, confusing, violent, hypocritical, faith of all.

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

Hebrews 12: 24 "to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel."

Matthew 24: 4-14 please read entire book "[SUP]4 [/SUP]Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. [SUP]6 [/SUP]You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All these are the beginning of birth pains.[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. [SUP]10 [/SUP]At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, [SUP]13 [/SUP]but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

'atwhatcost' what you need to understand is theology. The King Jesus the Christ was clear that many will call on the name of Jesus but their hearts will be far from him. So while I understand your point of view its important to know who the King was and what He proclaimed to his disciples. Jesus informed us as his disciples that we would die for Him, some of would suffer the same death and we should go willingly. The disciples that followed Jesus many were crucified and still today we see the true christians being martyred.

We are not meant to bear arms, Jesus was for governments protecting their people which includes us and our mission is to spread the gospel in love, joy, power and compassion. At the garden of Gethsemene Jesus disciple cut off the ear of a soldier, the King healed him and corrected his disciples saying "you live by the sword, you die by the sword explaining that he must die". On more than one occasion the King clarifies the role we must have in this world and if you don't understand it now I have to ask what bible are you reading (in the most sincere way).

 

[atwhatcost]

'atwhatcost' what you need to understand is theology. The King Jesus the Christ was clear that many will call on the name of Jesus but their hearts will be far from him. So while I understand your point of view its important to know who the King was and what He proclaimed to his disciples. Jesus informed us as his disciples that we would die for Him, some of would suffer the same death and we should go willingly. The disciples that followed Jesus many were crucified and still today we see the true christians being martyred.

We are not meant to bear arms, Jesus was for governments protecting their people which includes us and our mission is to spread the gospel in love, joy, power and compassion. At the garden of Gethsemene Jesus disciple cut off the ear of a soldier, the King healed him and corrected his disciples saying "you live by the sword, you die by the sword explaining that he must die". On more than one occasion the King clarifies the role we must have in this world and if you don't understand it now I have to ask what bible are you reading (in the most sincere way).

And theologically speaking, prove that. (Already gave my proof.)

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

Please explain? It may be that your understanding of the covenants of Jewish tradition leaves you with the idea that christians who say their christians and murder people are actually still christians, or that pillaging or conquering other nations in the name of Jesus makes you a christian.. ???

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Yes abortion is bad. Exscuse me, I mean MURDER is bad just like bombing abortion clinics which ultimatly results in DEATH! If you want to protest abortion go pray outside a clinic.

Jesus is more than politics. Jesus is more than looking at us and our flaws. He looks at us and says "that's my child" so why do most Christians, if we are children of God with a perfect parent, act like spoild brats?

AMEN (I ran out of rep points to give you)

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Yes, let us love those who take part of ISIS as they kill off anyone who is not a 'true Muslim' in existence.





How pathetic.

I guess then, that you think it was pathetic of Jesus to make sure Saul converted

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

Thank you. I was thinking the same thing.

Add to that, I'm not entirely sure I disagree with bombing abortion clinics. Setting them on fire is less dangerous, but the idea is to stop some women from automatically going with, "let's get rid of this bit of protoplasm." And fighting against ISIS seems like a good deal, since our (American's) government dropped that ball way too soon.

God annihilated nations. I'm thinking that makes him not-a-pacifist.

So, thanks for saying one of a few thoughts I had when I read the original post.

I appreciate your heart on these answers and see that you really care about people. I want to correct your understanding of the Father and our Kings place in the battles we face on this earth. Based upon the commands of the King if you place the King Jesus the Christ as Lord over your life you will be against bombing of any kind. In reference to your statement "I'm not entirely sure I disagree with bombing..." You should disagree with bombing, this is no command of Christ or the apostles.

In response to your statement "God annihilated nations. I'm thinking that makes him not-a-pacifist", while you are correct this is no excuse to bomb, kill or set a light to any person. Understand that the King Jesus the Christ explained on more than one occasion that His Kingdom is in heaven and so we should live for heaven and have a heaven mentality. Our fight (fight with words) is on the door steps of congress and parliament in regards to matters of politics. We are not meant to be lighting fires, bombing, shooting or cutting people nor should we be applauding the fact that people or buildings are burnt down no matter how evil they may be.

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

To @ATWHATCOST

Please read the whole book as the King Jesus the Christ explains our part in this worlds affairs.

John 16: 1-10 "“All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. [SUP]2 [/SUP]They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them. I did not tell you this from the beginning because I was with you, [SUP]5 [/SUP]but now I am going to him who sent me. None of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ [SUP]6 [/SUP]Rather, you are filled with grief because I have said these things.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: [SUP]9 [/SUP]about sin, because people do not believe in me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; [SUP]11 [/SUP]and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned"

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

@ ATWHATCOST

It's important for you to understand the Christ and then you understand your part in this world, yours is not the earth, yours is the kingdom to come. While you must pray for governments and people in power you should not be thinking its okay or thats its God's plan that buildings be burnt down. Power in love, confidence in His power and grace in righteousness. If you live right in the love of God which doesn't mean you let people get away with things but that you will correct them when their wrong and do it in love they will follow you. They will want to know of what/who's authority you come by and with what power. Your stand for Christ is not one of denial but one of embrace through God's righteous and unconditional love..

 

[PeterJens]

Christianity, the word derives from to be christ like has been the most offensive religion the world has ever known.

To say these words shows your ignorance both of the christian faith and of other faiths.
Your statement "hardest religion to understand" again is because you do not even begin to understand the issues at hand.

The first is how evil are evil people or organisations or rulers or countries? If a case can be made to stand for righteousness you can go to war, and kill those who stand in your way, it is an easy case to make. The problem is on the personal front, Jesus spoke of forgiveness, reconciliation but at state or civil level, ruling is the force of the law.

The 2nd level is walking in purity and holiness is very, very difficult. Love is an easy word to speak, but hard to do from your heart because it needs self knowledge and knowledge as to the nature of sin in each one of us.

Unfortunately your condemnation in your words is why there is such ignorance. The faiths and practices christianity replaced where full of sexual immorality and child sacrifice. But because you have lived in a humanist, secular world which is a version of christianity without God, you now judge the hard side of justice and truth as an atheist would talk.

 

[Richie_2uk]

You People have fallen for the trap. You noticed how the OP had put a Spanner in the works to cause an effect, and now all of you are caught in that ripple, all fighting and arguing amongst yourself. You noticed the OP has not said anything from the original post? He doesn't have to, he said his piece, and leaving you all to fight and to argue. We have to learn people not to get involved in silly squabbles and learn to see what some people are doing on CC.

I'm sorry but I had to say it. I could see a mile off how the OP worded his thread and what the kind of responses he will get. But remember this, what he posted, is by his own thoughts and beliefs and his own initiative. If you do feel that someone is mislead, or stepped back into thinking wrongly or denying Christ or Christianity, or even feel they losing there beliefs and faith to confusion. Rather than contribute to the convo and comments. Pray for them. And pray that God will show them the real truth and for God to give real wisdom in there lives. Problem I see on CC, is people are to quick to point the finger and answer negatively or feel that they have to argue back to try prove a point.

Come on Guys, Do you honestly think this is what God want's from you?

 

[Willie-T]

Yes, let us love those who take part of ISIS as they kill off anyone who is not a 'true Muslim' in existence.





How pathetic.

And yet, this "pathetic" loving is exactly what Jesus did... and told us to do. No, I am not saying this thrills me, (I am a man who honestly does like violent response), but I know there is really no way I can truly justify thinking and acting in a manner my Savior abhorred.

 

[Willie-T]

You People have fallen for the trap. You noticed how the OP had put a Spanner in the works to cause an effect, and now all of you are caught in that ripple, all fighting and arguing amongst yourself. You noticed the OP has not said anything from the original post? He doesn't have to, he said his piece, and leaving you all to fight and to argue. We have to learn people not to get involved in silly squabbles and learn to see what some people are doing on CC.

I'm sorry but I had to say it. I could see a mile off how the OP worded his thread and what the kind of responses he will get. But remember this, what he posted, is by his own thoughts and beliefs and his own initiative. If you do feel that someone is mislead, or stepped back into thinking wrongly or denying Christ or Christianity, or even feel they losing there beliefs and faith to confusion. Rather than contribute to the convo and comments. Pray for them. And pray that God will show them the real truth and for God to give real wisdom in there lives. Problem I see on CC, is people are to quick to point the finger and answer negatively or feel that they have to argue back to try prove a point.

Come on Guys, Do you honestly think this is what God want's from you?

Frankly, no matter his intention, I think the OP did us all a favor (if we will only see it), by holding up a mirror for us each to look into.

 

[ember]

You People have fallen for the trap. You noticed how the OP had put a Spanner in the works to cause an effect, and now all of you are caught in that ripple, all fighting and arguing amongst yourself. You noticed the OP has not said anything from the original post? He doesn't have to, he said his piece, and leaving you all to fight and to argue. We have to learn people not to get involved in silly squabbles and learn to see what some people are doing on CC.

I'm sorry but I had to say it. I could see a mile off how the OP worded his thread and what the kind of responses he will get. But remember this, what he posted, is by his own thoughts and beliefs and his own initiative. If you do feel that someone is mislead, or stepped back into thinking wrongly or denying Christ or Christianity, or even feel they losing there beliefs and faith to confusion. Rather than contribute to the convo and comments. Pray for them. And pray that God will show them the real truth and for God to give real wisdom in there lives. Problem I see on CC, is people are to quick to point the finger and answer negatively or feel that they have to argue back to try prove a point.

Come on Guys, Do you honestly think this is what God want's from you?

pretty much my thought on the entire thread...bold type above

if I were a mod, (have no aspirations so no one get me wrong) I would have pulled the plug before it got to the second page....the Holy Spirit is really and truly not in in this one...just the flesh...from the op on

 

[ember]

Frankly, no matter his intention, I think the OP did us all a favor (if we will only see it), by holding up a mirror for us each to look into.

I could not disagree more...the op is an invitation from the flesh to argue

there is no value in this thread...

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

pretty much my thought on the entire thread...bold type above

if I were a mod, (have no aspirations so no one get me wrong) I would have pulled the plug before it got to the second page....the Holy Spirit is really and truly not in in this one...just the flesh...from the op on

I think it important to discuss important matters. All people should contribute, if you think there is nothing to be gained by discussing these topics I would disagree. You can change anyones view by giving an opinion. What changes peoples minds is having education and understanding, what changes their hearts is prayer and their willingness to live by the Spirit. So while I don't understand your reason to shut this discussion down you can't say that God is not involved in any one type of discussion as long as minds are being guided by the Word of God there should be gradual change if not instant understanding of scripture. Willingness to obey.

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

I could not disagree more...the op is an invitation from the flesh to argue

there is no value in this thread...

There is great value in discussing topics that affect everyone. Leading people to Christ requires an understanding of what is happening in the world and what is going through peoples minds. These topics assist me in gathering information and leading unbelievers to Christ. I say continue the discussion there is great value in discussing topics of any nature.

 

[ember]

I think it important to discuss important matters. All people should contribute, if you think there is nothing to be gained by discussing these topics I would disagree. You can change anyones view by giving an opinion. What changes peoples minds is having education and understanding, what changes their hearts is prayer and their willingness to live by the Spirit. So while I don't understand your reason to shut this discussion down you can't say that God is not involved in any one type of discussion as long as minds are being guided by the Word of God there should be gradual change if not instant understanding of scripture. Willingness to obey.

Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body;and be thankful. Colossians 3:15

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body;and be thankful. Colossians 3:15

Okay I don't understand what you are talking about?? I understand the scripture but what has it got to do with the flow of this discussion.

 

[sparkman]

The problem with the assertions the thread creator is making is that he is wrapping himself in the judge's robes and judging the Church. For all we know he is some liberal nut job. I would like to know why he thinks ISIS shouldn't be punished for their atrocities toward mankind. By the way there has only been a few bombings of abortion clinics and the normal Christian has nothing to do with those. It is a bit odd to blame the whole church for the actions of a few deranged people. I see little concern in the initial post for the millions of fetuses who have died at the hands of abortionists either.