jewhovas witness deny the important doctrines of christianty and jesus

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nnrukshan15

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jw people deny the soul they says that man have no soul its wrong teaching man have both soul and spirit
john 6:60-64 jeus explained ..flesh does nothing..spirit gives you the life...its the sprit gives you the life...john 6:63 explained it[SUP]63 [/SUP]The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[SUP][a][/SUP] and life.


jewhova witness deny this because they are not belong to jesus ..if they belong to jesus they have to accept that we have a soul ...if we don't believe we have soul...we become similar to animals ..because they have no sprit they have only flesh..
jw people are trying deny importants doctrines of christianty and jesus..
 
also jw believe that jeus died not on cross but on a stake...its faulse teaching ..jw people are trying to go another way.by deny the cross..they says that cross it meanless thing no its not because..it means execution
 
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So called "Jehovah's Witnesses" isn't a religion. It's the identity of an army
of Watch Tower Society missionaries, a.k.a. the earthly class, the great
crowd, and the hewers of wood and the haulers of water.

If you were to ask a Watch Tower Society missionary if they believe Jesus
Christ rose from the dead; they would answer yes. But what you may not
know is that you were answered with semantic double speak because their
understanding of Christ's resurrection isn't traditional.

Long story short: the crucified body of the Watch Tower Society's Christ is
still dead and its remains are squirreled away somewhere on the earth in a
location, and in a condition, known only to God.

The reasoning behind their understanding is given on page 237 of the April
15, 1963 issue of the Watch Tower magazine; where it's stated:

"If Jesus were to take his body of flesh, blood, and bones to heaven and
enjoy them there, what would this mean? It would mean that there would be
no resurrection of the dead for anybody. Why not? Because Jesus would be
taking his sacrifice off God's altar."

There's further Watch Tower reasoning why their Christ is still dead. His
previous existence was that of an angel named Michael. The catch is; the
Society insists it's impossible for someone to exist as a human being and as
a spirit being simultaneously. So; in order to make it possible for Michael to
come down to the earth as a human being to sacrifice his life for the sins of
the world, his angel existence had to die: and not just die; but go completely
out of existence. So then, in order for Michael to have his angel existence
back, his human existence has to stay dead. In other words: Christ's
resurrection was actually Michael's re-creation back into existence as the
angel he was before trading off his spirit life for human life..

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The Watch Tower Society's anointed class is defined by 1John 2:26-27. The
anointed class are the only members of the Society who have undergone the
Spirit birth about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8. The total number of
anointed Society members is 144,000-- total. When one of the anointed
Society members dies, their passing does not create a vacancy.

On page 1129 of the Watchtower publication Aid To Bible Understanding; a
mediator is defined as one who interposes between two parties at variance
to reconcile them: an intercessor.

Here's a question that someone wrote in to the Questions From Readers
section of the April 01, 1976 issue of Watch Tower magazine, asking:

"Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the 144,000)

The answer given in the magazine is YES.

The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of Aid To Bible
Understanding where it says that the 144,000 are the only ones who have
the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ.

†. 1John 2:1 . . My little children, I am writing you these things that you
may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a
helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.

The pronouns "you" and "we" are exclusive; viz: they refer to the 144,000.
They're the only ones in the Society with direct access to the helper with the
Father.

Intercession for the earthly class-- the hewers of wood and the haulers of
water --is accomplished in the name of the 144,00 anointed.

It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company doesn't sell
direct; its business is conducted through brokers. In essence, that's what the
Society claims for itself: Jesus Christ's brokerage.

So then: when a member of the non-anointed class either defects or is dis
fellowshipped, it breaks the pipeline to the helper with the Father that he
enjoyed within the Society's fold; and he right quick loses all contact with
God; and finds himself in grave danger of the Tribulation.

Bottom line: According to Watch Tower Society theology; it is impossible for
its non-anointed members to be on peaceful terms with God apart from the
auspices of the Society's anointed class, a.k.a. the faithful and wise
steward. The haulers of water and hewers of wood who understand this are
thus highly motivated to remain in good standing with the Society regardless
of how much they might disagree with it.

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My first encounter with a Watchtower Society missionary occurred in 1969.
At the time I was young and naive, and thus assumed that the hewer of
wood, and hauler of water who came down the driveway was a fellow born
again Christian who believed in the deity of Christ. But when I talked this
over with a Protestant church elder he became alarmed; and urged me to
read a little book titled 30 Years A Watchtower Slave by William J. Schnell;
whom the Society at one time demonized as an agent of Satan. I would not
be surprised if it still does.

After getting my eyes opened by Mr. Schnell's book, I was afterwards
steered towards another book titled Kingdom Of The Cults by Walter Martin.
No doubt the Society demonizes Mr. Martin too.

Around late 1980, my wife and I attended a series of classes sponsored by a
local church titled "How To Witness To Jehovah's Witnesses". The instructor
(call him Pete) was an ex Witness who had been in the Watch Tower Society
system for near three decades and was a wide-area manager before
terminating his association with the Society; so he knew the ins and outs of
its proprietary doctrines pretty good.

Pete pioneered a small organization in San Diego dedicated to de
programming and re-educating ex Witnesses. It was a challenge. The ex
JW's with whom Pete worked were often very depressed with feelings of
betrayal and disillusionment-- not to mention the humiliation and the
despondence they were experiencing from letting themselves be duped by
the Society's ingenious sophistry --and found it nigh impossible to trust
ecclesiastical authority. Pete said that had he not been an ex Witness
himself; many of his students would never have listened to him.

Pete didn't train us to defeat missionaries in a debate because even if you
best them scripture for scripture, rebuttal for rebuttal, and refute for refute,
they will not give up on the Society. Their mind's unflinching premise is that
the Society is right even when it can be easily proven wrong. No, he trained
us to do four things: (1) don't give them a chance to launch into their spiel,
but immediately put them on the defensive with your own questions, thus
denying them control of the conversation, (2) force them to listen and pay
attention even if you have to repeat yourself to do it, (3) don't permit them
to evade and/or circumvent difficult questions, and (4) show them the Bible
not in ways they've already seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

The goal is to simply show missionaries that the Society's isn't the only
interpretation out there. In other words: the Watchtower Society's
interpretations aren't the only option; nor are theirs eo ipso the right
interpretation just because they say so.

Later on, I read a book titled Why I Left The Jehovah's Witnesses by Ted
Dencher and eventually purchased a copy of the Society's Kingdom
Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures to use in my discussions with
missionaries because it is the one Bible that they cannot challenge; nor dare
to challenge. I also read and studied the Society's little brown book titled
Reasoning From The Scriptures.

From all that vetting, study, and training I quickly discovered that although
the Watchtower Society uses many of Christianity's standard terms and
phrases, those terms and phrases mean something entirely different in
Society-speak than what you'd expect. It is genuinely a case of apples and
oranges going by the same names. So your first challenge in dealing with a
Watch Tower missionary is to scale the semantic language barrier; and that
by itself is an Herculean task.

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nnrukshan15 said:
also jw believe that jeus died not on cross but on a stake...its faulse teaching ..jw people are trying to go another way.by deny the cross..they says that cross it meanless thing no its not because..it means execution
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Hi nnrukshan15.

I'm really confused why you posted this particular comment, I fully explained to you why JW's don't accept Jesus died on a cross, the reason is simple, because the Bible doesn't say he did, it says he died on a stake/pole/tree. The Greek words used that described the instrument that Jesus was hung on was Stauros and xy'lon which mean “an upright pale or stake”, with xy'lon meaning "timber a stick, club, or tree".

There is simply nothing in the Bible grammatically that might infer that Jesus died on a cross. Thus it is hardly a false teaching for Jehovah's Witnesses to say Jesus died on a stake. Also the instrument of Jesus death is meaningless, its his DEATH that is important. Jesus could've been impaled on a house and it wouldn't change a thing.

Just remember, everywhere you read the word cross in a bible it has been falsely inserted in by the translator as his assumption of the instrument of Jesus death, the word 'cross' has no place in any Bible.


 
nnrukshan15 said:
jw people deny the soul they says that man have no soul its wrong teaching man have both soul and spirit
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nnrukshan15 said:
john 6:60-64 jeus explained ..flesh does nothing..spirit gives you the life...its the sprit gives you the life...john 6:63 explained it[SUP]63 [/SUP]The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[SUP][a][/SUP] and life.


jewhova witness deny this because they are not belong to jesus ..if they belong to jesus they have to accept that we have a soul ...if we don't believe we have soul...we become similar to animals ..because they have no sprit they have only flesh..
jw people are trying deny importants doctrines of christianty and jesus..
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Adam became a Soul, he did not gain as soul, the same applies to us.

(Gen 2:7) "...And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul..."

Again remember, Adam became a soul, he did not receive a Soul along with his Manhood.

Do you believe the soul is eternal my friend?
 
I remember a couple of years ago, I had a discussion with a JW. I asked if they believe Jesus is God. They denied this and they themselves went to John 1 and in their book it was the word was A god. I expressly pointed out that in every other bible except theirs it says the Word was God. But they wouldn't listen so I told them to leave and not come back.
 
nnrukshan15 said:
old testmant jewhova is new testmant jesus
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I must praise you for your eagerness but its pointless posting such a vast amount of scripture and think it reasonable for a person to address each and everyone . I'd be more than happy to address any concerns you may have but it would have to be done on a point to point basis my friend.

I'd just like to double check regarding the whole cross issue you have, so could I ask you what do the Greek words Stauros and xy'lon mean, do you understand now that they do not mean the word 'cross'?
 
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I remember a couple of years ago, I had a discussion with a JW. I asked if they believe Jesus is God. They denied this and they themselves went to John 1 and in their book it was the word was A god. I expressly pointed out that in every other bible except theirs it says the Word was God. But they wouldn't listen so I told them to leave and not come back.
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This is untrue, there have been a many number of both Bibles and scholars that have rendered John 1:1 "the word was a god" or something along the lines. To name a few, TEV, GNB, JB, MLB, and the NT translations by Charles B. Williams, W. E. Vine , C. H. Dodd, Murray J. Harris. There are many more. I think what you were meant to say was that most bible which are popular today don't render John 1:1 the way the NWT does, the NWT certainly isn't alone it its rendering.
 
think will jesus give chance to go his holy congriation with wrong docrines no. jewhovas witness is started by carl taze ruzzel..in 1870 watch tower bible society in usa ...he is a man ...jw is started by man...not by god..but the christianty is stared by god..its jesus..jesus is only one god ....that is the truth...we are witness for the truth..because we are born again Christian with jesus sprit..........we are the witness of jesus...
 
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This is untrue, there have been a many number of both Bibles and scholars that have rendered John 1:1 "the word was a god" or something along the lines. To name a few, TEV, GNB, JB, MLB, and the NT translations by Charles B. Williams, W. E. Vine , C. H. Dodd, Murray J. Harris. There are many more. I think what you were meant to say was that most bible which are popular today don't render John 1:1 the way the NWT does, the NWT certainly isn't alone it its rendering.
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Well I must correct myself and say every bible I have read, obviously I haven't read every translation but if I read one that said A God, well to me that implys polytheism, which I do not accept.
 
nnrukshan15 said:
think will jesus give chance to go his holy congriation with wrong docrines no. jewhovas witness is started by carl taze ruzzel..in 1870 watch tower bible society in usa ...he is a man ...jw is started by man...not by god..but the christianty is stared by god..its jesus..jesus is only one god ....that is the truth...we are witness for the truth..because we are born again Christian with jesus sprit..........we are the witness of jesus...
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I truly believe you don't actually know what you're saying as your points are meaningless. One thing that people do when they can't reason things out for themselves is copy and paste things from the internet and attack the messenger instead of the message. JW's do not hold T.Russell in massive esteem, we simply view him as a person who found out some bible truths as many have done since the fall of true Christianity back in the 2-4 CE.

If you are unable to speak your own words instead of "the Internets" then I'll be going, unless you change your mind. I hope you do but am certain much of what I say will get lost in translation, since you seem to not be able to understand any questions I post to you but keep copying and pasting things.
 
jw people don't eat jesus flesh atleast in easter...if you don't eat my flesh you have no life in you..how can this man give his flesh to eat..verily verily I say I unto you ...if anyone doesn't eat my flesh and drink my blood they have no life ..my flesh is indeed life ...my blood is indeed life....
but jw anointed ones eat the flesh of jesus..but not the average jw..so we can understand that jw is non christian cult
 
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