The Role of the Woman

[AgeofKnowledge]

Boo .

You scare me, AgeofKnowledge.

 

[kaylagrl]

Why is that? Because I responded to someone who said they have zero need for a man and are going to do exactly what they want, when they want, and how they want without respect to what anyone else thinks about it including God because that dusty antiquated old book is outdated and tribal?

You're asserting a faulty correlation kaylagrl.

Its because of the way you are speaking of marriage and women,not because of the young lady who at 14 is still forming her opinions and maturing. You need to lighten up and slow the roll a bit.

 

[kaylagrl]

You scare me, AgeofKnowledge.

He confuses me,not scares me. Ive hit like on his posts before but we disagree on this one.

 

[cmarieh]

He confuses me,not scares me. Ive hit like on his posts before but we disagree on this one.

I agree. AgeofKnowledge is a good man, but one thing he could work on is being a little softer towards the younger girls because they take things more emotional than guys and I believe in general guys do forget that.

 

[zoii]

And here we have a perfect example why 70% of young men (and growing) in Western Civilization presently refuse to marry anymore. Little miss radical feminist liberated secularist is going to learn the hard way as is any male foolish enough to become legally ensnared by her.

Me, I just want to change the law so these young secular feminists have to go to war and fight on the front lines with a rife in their hand through full tours exactly as men do in a legally mandated 50/50 ratio. Because you know, they don't need no man do the fighting and dying for them either obviously. Tag them and bag them.

If she keeps going down the road she's on she'll be just another immoral, sin-jaded, hard-hearted, selfish, egotistical, materialist, anti-christ Jezebel in less than a decade. Wait for it...


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When I hear you call me everything from immoral, selfish, egotistical, materialists Jezebel - Little Miss radical secular feminist.... somehow you believe that I should have someone like you determining my path.
Your comments totally reinforce everything I believe which is simply to walk alonside (NOT BEHIND) someone I love and who loves me and shares with me. That this is something thought of as radical really worries me - it alienates me. That its then followed by such venom and slander just makes me feel distressed and sick. I dont see why your so gloatingly proud of what you've said.

 

[MarcR]

This is complete immaturity on your attitude toward the Word of God. You know I tell my wife I need her and she tells me the same. There is nothing wrong with needing someone for support and to lean on each other. Do you put God first? Do you need God or is that something that was done 2000 years ago as well and He just better stay out of your way? Your attitude is blinding you and making you bitter and hateful. Have you discussed this with your youth pastor or someone in your church? I pray that God will give you a loving and gentle heart.

CeileDe,


I usually appreciate your contribution to the forum; so I find myself somewhat surprised to be addressing this to you.


Expecting adult maturity from a 14 year old is somewhat unrealistic; but this particular 14 year old, IMO, shows a good deal more maturity, and wisdom, and far more empathy and compassion than many members 2 or 3 times her age.

Having a different outlook may far more likely reflect different experience than less maturity.


Please forgive me if I came on too strong; but this really rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Kaylagrl, if that would stop females from using the government to literally drive males away from both courtship and marriage at an ever increasing rate: I would.

But that's not the case so I'm going to continue speaking plainly about the rapid decline of courtship and marriage in Western Civilization that is headed toward near extinction if the trend continues for just one more generation past the millennials.

For this posits the end of the traditional nuclear family, due to anti-Christ socio-political movements that have heavily leveraged government to create increasingly punishing bodies of law so biased and destructive to men's lives that seventy percent (and growing) of all young men aged 20-34 are unmarried and half of them which were polled stated they intend to never marry in their lifetimes.

What do you think happens when it becomes eighty percent and then ninety percent. When the only people marrying in any number are homosexuals.

Most women I talk to are oblivious to this problem. They ask me, "where are all the good men?" They want to know, "Why don't men 'man up' anymore?"

The good men (and the bad men) don't want the government sending collection agents after them to relieve them of their income and police officers to their door to take them to jail if they get sick and/or lose their job.

They don't want a life long criminal record because they made the mistake of marrying a woman who filed a no-fault divorce for $159.99 online, etc... so they are keeping themselves safe by not forming intimate attachments with women that lead to marriage.

They're ceasing to engage in courtship and marriage to protect themselves from entering a state of legal powerlessness which has devastating consequences for potentially the rest of their lives. They're opting out for the explicit purpose of protecting themselves.

And because women refuse to adjust socio-politically to the reaction men are having to the rapid and radical transformation of marriage into a male punishment model, the trend of fewer and fewer males engaging in courtship and marriage is going to continue.

Men are walking away from it and going their own way. They still interact with women, of course, but there's no real courtship or marriage involved anymore except for about thirty percent of them and that percentage is in rapid decline.

Truth is found in correspondence. Those are the facts and that's the truth. And that's really what I'm going on about. A radical unprecedented transformation is occurring and, despite it happening in front of your eyes, few even grasp the magnitude and even fewer are willing to lift a finger to change it except to pass more laws to go after men harder and drive them even farther away.

These young feminists think they're going to get married in fifteen years but if the trend continues, it will have to be to each other.

 

[Dan_473]

Me, I just want to change the law so these young secular feminists have to go to war and fight on the front lines with a rife in their hand through full tours exactly as men do in a legally mandated 50/50 ratio.

sounds fair... though, no guy in the usa is currently required to go to war... it does make sense that both sexes should be enrolled in the selective service, imo...

 

[kaylagrl]

Kaylagrl, if that would stop females from using the government to literally drive males away from both courtship and marriage at an ever increasing rate: I would.

But that's not the case so I'm going to continue speaking plainly about the rapid decline of courtship and marriage in Western Civilization that is headed toward near extinction if the trend continues for just one more generation past the millennials.

For this posits the end of the traditional nuclear family, due to anti-Christ socio-political movements that have heavily leveraged government to create increasingly punishing bodies of law so biased and destructive to men's lives that seventy percent (and growing) of all young men aged 20-34 are unmarried and half of them which were polled stated they intend to never marry in their lifetimes.

What do you think happens when it becomes eighty percent and then ninety percent. When the only people marrying in any number are homosexuals.

Most women I talk to are oblivious to this problem. They ask me, "where are all the good men?" They want to know, "Why don't men 'man up' anymore?"

The good men (and the bad men) don't want the government sending collection agents after them to relieve them of their income and police officers to their door to take them to jail if they get sick and/or lose their job.

They don't want a life long criminal record because they made the mistake of marrying a woman who filed a no-fault divorce for $159.99 online, etc... so they are keeping themselves safe by not forming intimate attachments with women that lead to marriage.

They're ceasing to engage in courtship and marriage to protect themselves from entering a state of legal powerlessness which has devastating consequences for potentially the rest of their lives. They're opting out for the explicit purpose of protecting themselves.

And because women refuse to adjust socio-politically to the reaction men are having to the rapid and radical transformation of marriage into a male punishment model, the trend of fewer and fewer males engaging in courtship and marriage is going to continue.

Men are walking away from it and going their own way. They still interact with women, of course, but there's no real courtship or marriage involved anymore except for about thirty percent of them and that percentage is in rapid decline.

Truth is found in correspondence. Those are the facts and that's the truth. And that's really what I'm going on about. A radical unprecedented transformation is occurring and, despite it happening in front of your eyes, few even grasp the magnitude and even fewer are willing to lift a finger to change it except to pass more laws to go after men harder and drive them even farther away.

These young feminists think they're going to get married in fifteen years but if the trend continues, it will have to be to each other.

Quote "of all young men aged 20-34 are unmarried and half of them which were polled stated they intend to never marry in their lifetimes."

Of course they arent getting married.Why would they? Sex with no commitment,no strings,no responsibility. Sounds like a great deal. Unfortunately many "Christian" young men feel the same way.


Quote-"The good men (and the bad men) don't want the government sending collection agents after them to relieve them of their income and police officers to their door to take them to jail if they get sick and/or lose their job.

They don't want a life long criminal record because they made the mistake of marrying a woman who filed a no-fault divorce for $159.99 online, etc... so they are keeping themselves safe by not forming intimate attachments with women that lead to marriage."

No fault divorce is not legal in all states. And doesnt it go both ways? A man can do the same right? If you have poor taste in choosing women then divorce will be the result.If you choose a Godly wife this wouldnt happen now would it?


Quote "Men are walking away from it and going their own way. They still interact with women, of course, but there's no real courtship or marriage involved anymore except for about thirty percent of them and that percentage is in rapid decline."

They still interact with women...Thanks for making my point. Men dont buy free cows and women and finding fewer men willing to commit and take responsibility and act like a Christian man should.


Quote "except to pass more laws to go after men harder and drive them even farther away."

Other than no fault which laws are you talking about? Again,if you marry a Godly wife you wouldnt have these issues...

 

[Dan_473]

Because I responded to someone who said they have zero need for a man...

I don't remember zoii saying she had zero need for a man... I think she meant she didn't need a man for money or physical security...

my impression was that she (and ladies in similar positions) are looking forward to a healthy relationship with a guy...

 

[Dan_473]

I actually own that book and it is awesome. It really helped me understand what is going on in a man's mind and helped me understand what I am going through and why God created me. It is an awesome book

I haven't read the books, but I do remember listening to a podcast by John Eldridge a while back... it gave me lots of good feelings about "guy-ness"...

 

[CeileDe]

CeileDe,


I usually appreciate your contribution to the forum; so I find myself somewhat surprised to be addressing this to you.


Expecting adult maturity from a 14 year old is somewhat unrealistic; but this particular 14 year old, IMO, shows a good deal more maturity, and wisdom, and far more empathy and compassion than many members 2 or 3 times her age.

Having a different outlook may far more likely reflect different experience than less maturity.


Please forgive me if I came on too strong; but this really rubbed me the wrong way.

No worries I put her on ignore. Her attitude is a direct reflection of her upbringing. I tried to understand where she was getting her attitude toward the subject but she shot me down thinking i was being rude.

 

[Dan_473]

The laws that stop women from being sent to the front line to fight, kill, and die at the same rate as men. Those slots should be opened for women and women actively recruited to fill them. And in the event of a draft, women should be forced into those dangerous infantry positions at the same rate of men and if they can't handle it, then suffer the same consequences up to and including dishonorable discharge. No gender favoritism should be extended under any circumstances whatsoever.

this is a good point...

granted, the average man is bigger, stronger, and runs faster than the average woman... a woman's body is optimized for child-bearing... imo...

to the extent that a battlefield experience requires physical strength, then it makes sense to use guys... you wouldn't look for a group of women to help you move your piano...

but in military roles not requiring strength, should women be placed in the same danger? yes... maybe if people saw a woman returning with a breast blown off it would change how we see wars...

women face death every time they get pregnant (and loads of pain and permanant changes to their bodies)... so, if society sometimes requires guys to face death in battle, it's not like, big picture, women
"have it easy"... imo...

 

[kaylagrl]

1)“You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26-28). As has been said before"There is no sexism at the cross".

2)And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Women are made in the image of God,just as men were.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3)[/FONT]And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Read about Deborah in Judges 4 and see the authority she had. Miriam,Huldah and Anna are also named as prophetess"[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]4)[/FONT]25This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; 26and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Women correcting a men,right there in the Bible.Look it up! God used them even tho they were mere women.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]5) God used Esther to save the Jews from being annihilated.Id say thats a pretty important role.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]6) Take a look at Proverbs description of a good wife,keeping in mind it was a patriarchal society back then.[/FONT]

A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies. Her husband has full confidence in her and lacks nothing of value. She brings him good, not harm, all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She gets up while it is still dark; she provides food for her family and portions for her servant girls. She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard. She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks. She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night. In her hand she holds the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and extends her hands to the needy. When it snows, she has no fear for her household; for all of them are clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; she is clothed in fine linen and purple. Her husband is respected at the city gate, where he takes his seat among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies the merchants with sashes. She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come. She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness. Her children arise and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her: "Many women do noble things, but you surpass them all." Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her the reward she has earned, and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Does this sound like a beaten down,mute,barefoot and pregnant,only there to please her husband sexually, woman that some people are trying to portray as Godly?! She buys land,she has her own earnings,she helps the poor,she is strong,she sells what she makes and is clothed in fine linen. She has strength,wisdom and dignity and her husband praises her! This is what the Bible calls a wife worth more than rubies and due a reward.Not some dummy afraid to open her mouth and laying in bed waiting to pleasure her husband in various positions. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]7) Jesus disciples were surprised when they found him speaking to the woman at the well. Rabbi's of the time did not speak to women that were not their wives. Today Orthodox Jewish men and women are still not to touch the opposite sex. The woman herslef was shocked that Jesus would speak to her. Jesus also stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery,pointing out the sins of the very men accusing her.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]8)[/FONT]

1. And many women were there looking on from a distance, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to Him, among whom was Mary Magdalene, along with Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee. (Matthew 27:55-56)
   And there were also some women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome. And when He was in Galilee, they used to follow Him and minister to Him; and there were many other women who had come up with Him to Jerusalem. (Mark 15:40-41)
   And it came about soon afterwards, that He began going about from one city and village to another, proclaiming and preaching the kingdom of God; and the twelve were with Him, and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others who were contributing to their support out of their private means. (Luke 8:1-3)

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Many women followed Jesus ministry and supported him financially. They were allowed to be close to Jesus.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]9) Women were the first to know of Jesus resurrection " [/FONT]The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay."(Matthew 28:5-6[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]) In that day and age a woman couldnt even testify in court but the Bible says they were the first to see him after his resurrection.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]10) The Bible tells us to submit to God,to authorities over us, govt included and to submit to one another. The life of a Christian is one of submission for both men and women.This is not only a womans job! A man is to be Christlike,willing to sacrifice for his wife.Jesus was hung on a cross,how many men have that kind of dedication to their wives? I believe some men here in CC do and God blesses them because of it.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]11) The Bible talks about believers as the "daughters of Zion" and "bride of Christ" the church is referred to as "she" and "her" so being a woman cant be much of a curse now can it?

[/FONT] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.








Finally a small excerpt that I saw on the web that I thought was worth sharing...

On "not being permitted to teach" - Some interpret this passage to mean that women should never teach in the assembled church. However, commentators point out that Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching. Paul's commended co-worker, Priscilla, taught Apollos, the great preacher (Acts 18:24-26).[SUP]41[/SUP] In addition, Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of authority in the church. Phoebe worked in the church (Romans 16:1).[SUP]8[/SUP] Mary, Tryphena, and Tryphosa were the Lord's workers (Romans 16:6, 12).[SUP]8[/SUP] Paul was very likely prohibiting the Ephesian women, not all women, from teaching. To understand these verses (Ephesians 2:9-15), we must understand the situation in which Paul and Timothy worked. In first-century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study. When Paul said that women should learn in quietness and full submission, he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the Ephesian women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience. The Ephesian church had a particular problem with false teachers. Evidently, the women were especially susceptible to the false teachings (2 Timothy 3:1-9), because they did not yet have enough Biblical knowledge to discern the truth. In addition, some women were apparently flaunting their new-found Christian freedom by wearing inappropriate clothing (1 Timothy 2:9). Paul was telling Timothy not to put anyone (in this case, women) into a position of leadership who was not yet mature in the faith (1 Timothy 3:6). The same principle applies to churches today.


I cannot stand people who beat woman up using the Bible to do it.I think this is a more appropriate view of women in the Bible than what the OP posted from another site. Women have been abused using the name of God to do so. It is false,it is a lie and it is a man made belief. Scripture is clear,God is not a sexist bully.

 

[Dan_473]

Actually they just tried to send 20 women to Ranger School and all of them failed.

doesn't surprise me at all... attempts to get girl-bodies to do what guy-bodies can do usually fail... it's like trying to teach guys how to get pregnant...

so, am I saying women today should be all about having children? no.

it's just that for most of the time humans have been around, a guy's day was all about hunting and sometimes violent conflict with other groups of guys...

women's days were mostly about raising children...

fast-forward to today... which body-type and mindset will do best in a college classroom?

imo, and speaking as a guy, I'd rather be outside hunting and conflicting...

 

[Dan_473]

Kaylagrl, if that would stop females from using the government to literally drive males away from both courtship and marriage at an ever increasing rate: I would.

But that's not the case so I'm going to continue speaking plainly about the rapid decline of courtship and marriage in Western Civilization that is headed toward near extinction if the trend continues for just one more generation past the millennials.

women must change to keep Western Civ from extinction?

I think it's God that decides how many humans there are, and what cultures they're born into... imo...

 

[zoii]

No worries I put her on ignore. Her attitude is a direct reflection of her upbringing. I tried to understand where she was getting her attitude toward the subject but she shot me down thinking i was being rude.

Your were being rude. I think its incredible you cant see that you still are. And now you have moved to throwing insults at my beautiful parents. Some how you think this makes you the better person. I don't know why people on this site cant handle a comment about life that they disagree with, without turning to personal insults, and an attack on their family they don't know, with the sole purpose of trying to embarrass or shame, or in some way make the person making their point feel badly about themselves. This I might add from a comment about wanting to live alongside and in partnership with someone I loved...not behind as a lesser partner. I didn't think that was such a crime

 

[zoii]

If she keeps going down the road she's on she'll be just another immoral, sin-jaded, hard-hearted, selfish, egotistical, materialist, anti-christ Jezebel in less than a decade. Wait for it...

And Ageofknowledge Ive continued to think about your comment. I'm trying to understand why you said this about me. To say to all the people on this site that you think I'm going to be a person who lacks any morals, and caring for noone and like to be a whore or prostitute (yes I looked the meaning of Jezebel)...you've called me a whore - how could you do that...and say it to everyone here. I can only think you hate me so much you want to totally disgrace and embarrass me to everyone. This is a Christian site yet no one in my life has spoken to me like this

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Yes but since women want equality let's turn the radical feminist script around on them. Radical manism demands a radical reordering of society in which female supremacy is eliminated in all social and economic contexts.

Every instance where a female enjoys an unequal advantage in society from easier treatment by the judicial system and more humanitarian prisons to eliminating maternity leave in the workplace to ensuring a 50/50 ratio on the battlefield, all must be eliminated in order to achieve true equality. The government must begin balancing the imbalance of fewer men than women in college and the workplace by depriving women to assist men until a 50/50 ratio is accomplished in college and the workplace.

sounds fair... though, no guy in the usa is currently required to go to war... it does make sense that both sexes should be enrolled in the selective service, imo...

 

[AnnaBou]

Yes but since women want equality .....

No-one in their right mind wants equality. We are all different and not equal. I agree with you. Men and women are different, we were created differently and our roles are different. Feminists want to beat down men and say they want to be equal but it is nonsense. Men cannot give birth and will not carry a baby in their tummy. Men cannot breastfeed. Why do some people always want to reject their nature? Men are more logical, more decisive, physically stronger and are leaders. Women are more caring, and more emotional.