Is a life without sinning possible?
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I liked your post even though I don't fully agree with it; because it was so well thought out and presented.
I agree with your basic premise that with the help of the indwelling Holy Spirit, believers can and do live lifestyles of obedience; and that in any given minute, we can indeed decide to do right.
Where I disagree with you is that I don't believe that in this world we can fully escape unguarded moments, wherein we stumble but do not fall.
1 Jn 1:7-10
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
KJV
I agree with your basic premise that with the help of the indwelling Holy Spirit, believers can and do live lifestyles of obedience; and that in any given minute, we can indeed decide to do right.
Where I disagree with you is that I don't believe that in this world we can fully escape unguarded moments, wherein we stumble but do not fall.
1 Jn 1:7-10
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
KJV
who you talking about ? I've been there, done that (driven in Jersey and/or worse places, and didn't sin)....
so, WHY SIN? because you WANT TO SIN ? WHY? why not "want not to sin" ? don't even let sin enter into your thoughts, let alone acts and deeds.....
in other words, do what Jesus and the disciples did. do as Jesus always says, and as the disciples did in scripture....
Jesus and His disciples walked about in sinful places, and didn't sin. and if the disciples did sin, and sometimes they did, what then? were they rejected? or did they return, repent and be forgiven ?
so, WHY SIN? because you WANT TO SIN ? WHY? why not "want not to sin" ? don't even let sin enter into your thoughts, let alone acts and deeds.....
in other words, do what Jesus and the disciples did. do as Jesus always says, and as the disciples did in scripture....
Jesus and His disciples walked about in sinful places, and didn't sin. and if the disciples did sin, and sometimes they did, what then? were they rejected? or did they return, repent and be forgiven ?
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They are not ignored.
One needs to understand position,condition,discipline,reward,fellowship,loss of reward,loss of blessing,ongoing sanctification and many more things in the word.
There are just a few salvation verses in the bible. the other 98% of the bible is about how to live the christian way of life.
If make the whole bible about salvation, we miss about 98% of what it is really saying to us.
One needs to understand position,condition,discipline,reward,fellowship,loss of reward,loss of blessing,ongoing sanctification and many more things in the word.
There are just a few salvation verses in the bible. the other 98% of the bible is about how to live the christian way of life.
If make the whole bible about salvation, we miss about 98% of what it is really saying to us.
No, these verses are clearly ignored and twisted by the OSAS proponent in such a way to mean something else that makes no sense. Job says to depart from evil is understanding. Yet, folks here are saying they will never truly depart from evil. That to me, sends up a bunch of red flags and warning signs that what most here are teaching is just wrong on many levels.
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Yeah, thats why I always look up at who is persecuting whom
Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field,
that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Always reminded me of here as well,
The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood
Just as Cain (who was of that wicked)
"talked with" his brother, rising up against him "to slay" him as pictured
Abels blood crying out to God from the ground there
Seems to bear another witness in that wicked, and to the words in that same effect
The whole, laying in wait, even as the words which seek to slay the other (or devour) as the roaring lion (in them) seeks to devour others in and through willing vessels to accomplish his desire
especially those who would seek to live godly in Christ Jesus
I like what God said to Cain,
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?
and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And him (that wicked) even the murderer from the beginning (has a desire unto individuals) seeking not only those he wants to devour but those he can use (even as Cain who opened the door unto him) to peform his lust through.
Sort of like laying in wait for anothers blood on a different level, just as someones words can lie in wait for anothers blood in much the same way as shown there. We see that all the time on boards where someone is relently pursued, becoming this endless target of anothers persecution. Seeking another brothers blood out in that way. Whether individualy so or in a pack, it is to be expected by those who would to live godly in Christ Jesus.
The principal of the one born after the Spirit (as then) as shown in Isaac and the manifestation of persecution (through the one born after the flesh is the same Paul shows, the persecutor (and the persecuted) as was being made evident.
Peace to you Bro
Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field,
that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Always reminded me of here as well,
The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood
Just as Cain (who was of that wicked)
"talked with" his brother, rising up against him "to slay" him as pictured
Abels blood crying out to God from the ground there
Seems to bear another witness in that wicked, and to the words in that same effect
The whole, laying in wait, even as the words which seek to slay the other (or devour) as the roaring lion (in them) seeks to devour others in and through willing vessels to accomplish his desire
especially those who would seek to live godly in Christ Jesus
I like what God said to Cain,
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?
and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And him (that wicked) even the murderer from the beginning (has a desire unto individuals) seeking not only those he wants to devour but those he can use (even as Cain who opened the door unto him) to peform his lust through.
Sort of like laying in wait for anothers blood on a different level, just as someones words can lie in wait for anothers blood in much the same way as shown there. We see that all the time on boards where someone is relently pursued, becoming this endless target of anothers persecution. Seeking another brothers blood out in that way. Whether individualy so or in a pack, it is to be expected by those who would to live godly in Christ Jesus.
The principal of the one born after the Spirit (as then) as shown in Isaac and the manifestation of persecution (through the one born after the flesh is the same Paul shows, the persecutor (and the persecuted) as was being made evident.
Peace to you Bro
worldwide, the underground believers are persecuted by all those above-ground,
even put to death whenever possible.
meanwhile, the underground believers will not hurt another human being.
the underground believers are as Jesus followers and obeying Him "harmless as doves".
almost all the religious groups represented online are persecutors AND ,when asked, THEY SHAMELESSLY ADMIT IT !!!
and
volunteer the same , often, when not asked ---- their own words are their judge on judgment day.
even put to death whenever possible.
meanwhile, the underground believers will not hurt another human being.
the underground believers are as Jesus followers and obeying Him "harmless as doves".
almost all the religious groups represented online are persecutors AND ,when asked, THEY SHAMELESSLY ADMIT IT !!!
and
volunteer the same , often, when not asked ---- their own words are their judge on judgment day.
I am sorry to disappoint you, but God is good and He requires His people to be good, too. It's what the Bible plainly teaches. For why even be a believer in Jesus Christ if you are going to continue in sin? It doesn't make any sense. We are born again and are new creatures in Christ whereby all things have become new.
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You do realize that this was religion killing grace right?
Cain wasn't out chasing chicks,drinking and smoking,cussing,stealing,cheating.......His morality would put all of us to shame in todays world.
Cain was good. Just that it was human good(evil) and Cain worked his butt off to offer an offering that was from his OWN hands.
Abel offered the right offering.
Cain killed Abel because of religion. He was a moral degenerate, not a immoral degenerate.
Cain wasn't out chasing chicks,drinking and smoking,cussing,stealing,cheating.......His morality would put all of us to shame in todays world.
Cain was good. Just that it was human good(evil) and Cain worked his butt off to offer an offering that was from his OWN hands.
Abel offered the right offering.
Cain killed Abel because of religion. He was a moral degenerate, not a immoral degenerate.
My next comment is not for sinless perfection, but something we need to remember.
The angry brother received ALL the Father had, because he had always been with the Father, the prodigal did not....
Luke 15.31:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he said to him, ‘Son, you have always been with me, and all that is mine is yours
The angry brother received ALL the Father had, because he had always been with the Father, the prodigal did not....
Luke 15.31:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he said to him, ‘Son, you have always been with me, and all that is mine is yours
Exactly why the following principles apply....
1. Works of gold, silver, precious stones and wood, hay and stubble<----works burnt some remain, some have none left, but SAVED SO AS BY FIRE
2. A vessel of honor and some not so honorable but both in the HOUSE
3. Fornicating Corinthian brother...spirit saved in the day of Christ, but flesh destroyed (physical death)
and on and on and on.......
1. Works of gold, silver, precious stones and wood, hay and stubble<----works burnt some remain, some have none left, but SAVED SO AS BY FIRE
2. A vessel of honor and some not so honorable but both in the HOUSE
3. Fornicating Corinthian brother...spirit saved in the day of Christ, but flesh destroyed (physical death)
and on and on and on.......
G
This is what is going to happen to the OLDER brother in this parable. The older brother is the evil(human good) one.
The older brother already had His inheritance. They split it up in verse 12.
Nobody invited him to the party~~religion will kill any good time.
He was angry~~he had no right to be angry. He was bitter.
He was disrespectful to His Father~~he answered his father with,"Look," He didn't address him as "father"
He was arrogant~~He claimed he followed EVERY command of the father.
He gossiped and maligned His Brother~~He claimed that his brother was with prostitutes.(He couldn't know this)
Yet the Father was gracious with this self righteous, arrogant prig.
This son is going to have the pile of ashes at the Bema seat of Christ. The prodigal is going to have reward to cast at his Lords feet.
The older brother already had His inheritance. They split it up in verse 12.
Nobody invited him to the party~~religion will kill any good time.
He was angry~~he had no right to be angry. He was bitter.
He was disrespectful to His Father~~he answered his father with,"Look," He didn't address him as "father"
He was arrogant~~He claimed he followed EVERY command of the father.
He gossiped and maligned His Brother~~He claimed that his brother was with prostitutes.(He couldn't know this)
Yet the Father was gracious with this self righteous, arrogant prig.
This son is going to have the pile of ashes at the Bema seat of Christ. The prodigal is going to have reward to cast at his Lords feet.
G
Gen 4:5~~New American Standard Bible
but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell.
If Cain was not proud and confident about his offering to the Lord. Why would He be angry?
And does a immoral, overtly wicked person who hates God, bring an offering to the Lord?
Human good is evil to God. It looks good to us, but it is evil to God.
but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell.
If Cain was not proud and confident about his offering to the Lord. Why would He be angry?
And does a immoral, overtly wicked person who hates God, bring an offering to the Lord?
Human good is evil to God. It looks good to us, but it is evil to God.