Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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14 Yrs ago I played guitar and screamed for a Heavy Metal band. We were really just local heroes, but we sold some cds and sold out night clubs. During this period, I put God on the back burner and began glorifying myself! God dealt with me harshly during this time, but He gave me an out and a way to continue music to Glorify Him. God, through the Church pulled me kicking and screaming out of that mess and I will never go back. The path I have been on has been easy, then not so easy, then easy, kind of like riding up and down hills. This is another part of my story. Now maybe you can see why I am offended at being called a heretic, a pagan, devil worshipper, etc. Back then, these terms might have applied to me, but no longer!
 

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Following your logic, why didn't God just create Jesus out of dust? Why use Mary at all? Unless she has a special purpose. Do you not trust God that Mary is part of His plan? Afterall, He did choose her to bear Jesus. Do you really want to continue slapping God in the face and tell Him Mary is just some woman? Mine aren't that big if you know what I mean
I am following your logic that God able to create sinless Mary from sinner mother.

why not sinless Jesus from sinner Mary?
 

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I am following your logic that God able to create sinless Mary from sinner mother.

why not sinless Jesus from sinner Mary?

Mary was NOT sinless. She WAS higly favored by God, however. God can indeed use a sinner to produce something awesome. :)
 
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I am following your logic that God able to create sinless Mary from sinner mother.

why not sinless Jesus from sinner Mary?
God can do whatever He wants! I don't know why He chose Mary, but she is very special to Him and so she should be special to us. Ya'll just run her down, treat her like a common woman! God doesn't think she is a common woman.
 

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God can do whatever He wants! I don't know why He chose Mary, but she is very special to Him and so she should be special to us. Ya'll just run her down, treat her like a common woman! God doesn't think she is a common woman.
Don't you believe the reason Mary not with original sin is to make Jesus sinless?
 
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do you have biblical reference for your story
Amplified Bible( luv my amplifiers! Lol) Luke 1:28 and he came to her and said Hail o favored one[endued with grace]! The Lord is with you! Blessed(favored of God) are you before all other women!

Verse 30 and the angel said to her, Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found grace(free, spontaneous, absolute favor and loving-kindness) with God!
 
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This is the 1st part of the Hail Mary, the words Gabriel spoke from God to Mary
 
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You know when i gaze upon the crucifix, which i do often, i don't see a piece of wood to be worshipped. I see absolute, perfect love. Something none of you would do for me, but He did!
 

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Amplified Bible( luv my amplifiers! Lol) Luke 1:28 and he came to her and said Hail o favored one[endued with grace]! The Lord is with you! Blessed(favored of God) are you before all other women!

Verse 30 and the angel said to her, Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found grace(free, spontaneous, absolute favor and loving-kindness) with God!
It doesn't say Mary doesn't have original sin.
 
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Mary was NOT sinless. She WAS higly favored by God, however. God can indeed use a sinner to produce something awesome. :)
Exactly right as the bible is very clear;

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

This includes Mary as well in this scripture by the Apostle Paul.............
 
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Exactly right as the bible is very clear;

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

This includes Mary as well in this scripture by the Apostle Paul.............
You left out four little words from that verse deliberately misleading. "As it is written " referring to the OT, because obviously the NT hadn't been written yet. The verse refers to the OT where of course, all had sinnned and fallen short. Verse 10 is where we find the context and the four words you left out
 
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You left out four little words from that verse deliberately misleading. "As it is written " referring to the OT, because obviously the NT hadn't been written yet. The verse refers to the OT where of course, all had sinnned and fallen short. Verse 10 is where we find the context and the four words you left out
Wrong as notice the context of verse 9 and verse 22 as they show this standard applies to all believers, for we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and this includes Mary. Which is why we all need the Savior Jesus Christ to receive that grace by our faith in Him.

For without receiving remission of sins through the Lord nobody would go to heaven..........Mary was not sinless

Even if you try to make this about the OT your debate is still flawed because Mary lived under the OT laws until Jesus was crucified. Because the new covenant did not go into affect tell His death (Hebrews 9:16).
 
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The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin
 
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The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin
She was given remission of sins by the Lord Jesus Christ just like every single other one of us is that are in the faith of Jesus Christ.

His blood cleansed her the same way it cleanses all of us when we believed in Him and repented of our sins.
There is absolutely no biblical support to says she was cleansed or had no sin to begin with, as that is one of many of the false teachings started by a pope that is not biblically supported...
 
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She was given remission of sins by the Lord Jesus Christ just like every single other one of us is that are in the faith of Jesus Christ.

His blood cleansed her the same way it cleanses all of us when we believed in Him and repented of our sins.
There is absolutely no biblical support to says *she was cleansed * or had no sin to begin with, as that is one of many of the false teachings started by a pope that is not biblically supported...
* Meant to say here cleansed by any other way then by His blood
 
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She was given remission of sins by the Lord Jesus Christ just like every single other one of us is that are in the faith of Jesus Christ.

His blood cleansed her the same way it cleanses all of us when we believed in Him and repented of our sins.
There is absolutely no biblical support to says she was cleansed or had no sin to begin with, as that is one of many of the false teachings started by a pope that is not biblically supported...
Its called dogma and no use going into it with you! I believe this and you can't change that! So, please lets drop it