Creflo Dollar's Jet

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If all these people are so transparent and honest in their dealings...if they have so much integrity, then why are they too proud to subject their financials to the scrutiny of a CHRISTIAN oversight organization? There are plenty of large churches and para-church organizations that submit to such scrutiny.

Additionally, if they are so full of integrity, why do they claim that non-churches are churches so they can escape the scrutiny of the federal government as well. Daystar Television Network claims to be a church and therefore pays NO taxes. People grumble all the time about the poor and how undeserving they are of welfare money, but this CORPORATION makes a quarter of a BILLION dollars a year....yeah, that was with a B. They pay ZERO taxes for this income. The owners of this company live in a SIX MILLION dollar home that they call a "parsonage," so they pay no taxes on that. Do any of you know of a Lutheran minister, Catholic priest, Anglican vicar, or Methodist pastor who lives in a six million dollar parsonage?

Why is this sort of dodgy behavior glossed over by so many of the slavish followers of these people. Oh yeah...it's because they're slavish followers who've checked their brains and their own integrity at the door. It's almost like people who get in abusive relationships...they enable the abuser and stick around because they "love" that person. There's no regard for a basic level of human decency, let alone the application of biblical principals.

And, as an aside, I'm curious about why someone would be so devoted to a person who is engaged in a (dodgy) distant ministry. I wonder sometimes if they engage in this level of devotion with their own neighborhoods and local ministries that could probably use the Christian service.
And maybe their pride won't let them say they are wrong.
 
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Please show that scripturally.

romans 3:23
New International Version
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

New Living Translation
For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.

English Standard Version
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
LOL! Of course we all have sinned, but once we have been forgiven of all our sin, and saved by God's grace, we are no longer sinners, but He sees us as saints. Nowhere in scripture is a Christian referred to as a sinner. Now don't go arguing about Paul declaring himself a sinner, because he was using the present tense as an ancient literary device for emphasis.
 
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There isn't an iota of this about me. I would neither change an iota of my life and faith with an iota of any aspect of the obscene lives of conspicuous consumption of these charlatans. They have nothing I want or desire, would flee the notion of being in any of their shoes, the very idea horrific. I am very content, have all I need, and compare myself? I have no way of comparing myself with an exploitative merchandiser of the gospel, no frame of reference to such a degenerate mentality, with no fear of God, who would do what they do. This is about evil. This is about carnality. This is about false gospels, lies. This is about wolves in sheep's clothing. This about rebuke of that which brings dishonor to the Christian faith, the false gospels that will damn the gullible, about cosmic criminal behavior.

That's a very nice little dissertation to try to claim we should simply look the other way, somehow cease to discern wolves in the body of Christ, and shutup, in essence, but you don't seem to understand that I'm not an apologist for evil and evil doers, masquerading as the servants of God. If they were running a circus, you'd not hear a peep from me, but they're not. Apologies for these evil doers is your job, but I have my job, to. I see what I see, as others also do, just what and who are foolish. Maybe you can go make your own thread, in praise of Bentleys, Olympic size swimming pools, and lying gospels of Laodicea for Jesus or whatever? Fair enough?


You asked a question... I answered it. Your accusations along with so many here are too numerous to mention. Coming into this forum is sort of like coming into a roman Colosseum and getting bitten by sharp teeth.
We truly need more new covenant ministries that are full of the person of Jesus exalting the cross and lifting up the finished work of Christ. Ministries that remind believers that God is no longer angry with them because of their sins and that all their failings., past, present and even those in the future have been perfectly nailed and judged at the cross.

2 Cor. 5:21 For He (God) made Him (Jesus Christ) who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him (Jesus Christ)


 
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LOL! Of course we all have sinned, but once we have been forgiven of all our sin, and saved by God's grace, we are no longer sinners, but He sees us as saints. Nowhere in scripture is a Christian referred to as a sinner. Now don't go arguing about Paul declaring himself a sinner, because he was using the present tense as an ancient literary device for emphasis.
LOL YOU ARGUED IT FOR ME!!!! Show me why i shouldnt believe paul? Give me biblical evidence of your claim because so far you are arguing my side!
 
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Hmmmmm, "little g"? I ask you again why are you on this thread? And don't tell me defending the prosperity people. You've been on here long enough to realize your not gonna make any headway with us. Doin a little trollin?
Godly is spelled with a little "g". I often capitalize it, but it isn't necessary. Thanks for nit-picking. It's funny to me, as while I do make typos from time to time, I have worked as a literary editor and have a handle on the language. Thanks, anyway.

You are just trying to get rid of me. Not gonna do it. I am not trolling.
 
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Yeah, I don't know how he can like CARM.

Those guys are nuts.

They do things like....
study,
and research,
and look things up,
and check facts,
and verify what people say,
and use logic.

They're a bunch of monsters.
I am a member of CARM. I can see very clearly how some of their "exposes" are erroneous.
 
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Why arent you backing ANYTHING you say up with biblical text then?

Why hasnt she repented for her false teaching then and taken them off her site?
why do you agree with her false teaching?
Her site? There is nothing false that I can see on her site. Besides if you were walking in the Spirit, you would have His graciousness to receive the meat and spit out the bones. It is not the mark of a false teacher to get something wrong now and again. There is not one Christian walking this globe who doesn't have even one thing wrong. That doesn't make them false teachers.

Why don't you go on and start teaching the word of God and forget about tearing down sisters and brothers in Christ, which hinders your walk and your witness.
 
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You asked a question... I answered it. Your accusations along with so many here are too numerous to mention. Coming into this forum is sort of like coming into a roman Colosseum and getting bitten by sharp teeth.
We truly need more new covenant ministries that are full of the person of Jesus exalting the cross and lifting up the finished work of Christ. Ministries that remind believers that God is no longer angry with them because of their sins and that all their failings., past, present and even those in the future have been perfectly nailed and judged at the cross.

2 Cor. 5:21 For He (God) made Him (Jesus Christ) who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him (Jesus Christ)


Amen sister in Christ. You speak the truth so eloquently.
 
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Still no biblical support and nothing but ad hominem...

Its clear now that nothing we say will pierce the brainwashing wall of lies.

ill continue to pray for you Nancy. The Lord loves you and wants you to spend eternity with him. Don't let the wolves in sheeps clothing drag you to hell with them.
 
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You no longer sin?

Not ever?

You are truly an inspiration...
well, you and Jesus both.



Like so many in this room, you don't understand what FancyNancy is trying to share with you. The right definition of righteousness. So many believers associate rightousness with a list of things they do or don't do. This is a wrong definition and understanding of our righteousness in Christ.

We became righteous because of what Jesus did for us at the cross. Righteousness is not based on our right doing. It is based entirely on Jesus' right doing. Christianity is NOT about doing right to become righteous. It is about believing right in Jesus to become righteous. The church has been conditioned to associate being blessed with doing right. God is looking at Jesus., not us. We are saints and sons and daughters of the Most High God., no longer sinners in God's eyes.

Paul said "I do not frustrate the grace of God for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." Basically he is saying if you are depending on your good works, your doing and your ability to keep perfectly the Ten commandments to become righteous and stay that way, then Jesus died for nothing. Our righteousness is freely given, not earned.

When we see ourselves, we have to see ourselves in Christ and righteous. Established in Christ not our own selves. That is the good fight of faith., to believe that you are made righteous by faith.,not works ...not having my own righteousness which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
 
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This is often what charismatics will say, but I've never seen them be able to actually back it up with scripture. Typically it's said to people who do not speak in tongues because a goodly number of charismatics adhere to the idea that speaking in tongues is THE evidence of the "baptism of the Holy Spirit." However, the bible doesn't support this.

Additionally, it makes ZERO theological sense that God would give a believer the deposit of the Holy Spirit only to have that spirit lay "dormant" in a believer. Like HUMANS are the superhero who "activate" the Holy Spirit by what is it exactly that we do to activate it? God is not subject to human behavior. These theological ideas are not reflected in the numerous writings of the historic church. They reflect thinking that is only slightly over 100 years old.
The problem with tongues the way charismatics exhibit it is, they babble incoherently, yet what happened at Pentecost was not the same.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now When this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own tongue. Acts 2:4-6

These people heard a language spoken in their own language, not some incoherent babbeling.
 
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You no longer sin?

Not ever?

You are truly an inspiration...
well, you and Jesus both.
I guess you also require a lesson from scripture. Of course I do sin from time to time, but because I am free in Christ, and all my sins are forgiven, God tells me that no sin is imputed to me because of Jesus!


God sees no sin in His children. The record books of heaven record no iniquity, no transgression, and no sin against God’s elect. God will not impute sin to His saints, or require from us satisfaction because our sins were imputed to Christ, paid for by Christ, and expunged from the book of God’s offended justice by our Saviour’s precious blood. Scripture bears this out.

Romans 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Romans 8:33-34
Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.

2 Corinthians 5:19-21
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
 
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Chica, I just noticed at the bottom of the screen you did a thread, Creflo Dollar wants a $65 milliom dollar jet! I would have posted to yours, had I known.

Anyway, I hope nobody gets injured, discussing the Holy Spirit here. For now, I'm more concerned over my earlier name it and claim it, would also like a submarine, to preach to the spirits of the drowned, and a pool for Jesus large enough to park it, a penthouse condo 'o glory on Waikiki Beach, oh, no time to go through the whole list, just,
GIMME MO STUFF!
Did you see my reply to you with the radio? I think it's #244
 
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LOL YOU ARGUED IT FOR ME!!!! Show me why i shouldnt believe paul? Give me biblical evidence of your claim because so far you are arguing my side!
I am glad you have come to agree with me.
 
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Oh how magnanimous of you to give me a "CHANCE"! LOL!

I would take it up with you if this wasn't a baiting session for you, and if this thread wasn't so evil in its intent, and as an outlet for the spirit of mockery.
Have you ever gone gopher hunting? I used to run backwards faster than I can run forwards. Ohh look...a monkey.