Pride goes before destruction

ember · Jun 19, 2015

An individual who calls those whom God saves wicked, is one who does not speak from the Holy Spirit

Seriously, what is the motivation here? this accusation is serious because this type of person accuses as does the devil himself

I would not hesitate to state that this type of person is dangerous and should not be fellowshipped with as they spread lies, dissention and discord among believers

The fruit is not love and forgivenss...the fruit is false accusation and lies with a joyful heart in so doing

This entire thread is actually about judgement and condemnation...both the marks of a false prophet

When God judges, He does so righteously and ALWAYS offers reconciliation

DesiredHaven · Jun 19, 2015

psalm6819 said:

The Spirit and the bride say come not the Spirit and the whore correct?

JesusLives · Jun 19, 2015

Jason0047;2131283[COLOR=#FF0000 said:

]You are saying OSAS is totally off topic, and yet you then ask off topic questions? That does not make any sense. But it's okay. I am a forgiving kind of a guy.

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Jason......
I, (Blond), really don't want to sound mean here........ But do you read and understand English as written? When I said totally off topic it meant what followed was not on either topic of Pride or Depression...It meant what was to follow were my own off topic thoughts.....statement......

Where in the world do you get that what I meant in any way was the statement I highlighted in RED above? Do you make rash assumptions much?

Quote:Jason
Anyways, to answer your questions: I do work hard at a job 40 + hours a week. As for sleep: I do not always sleep much on my work days because I am working back to back shifts (with only a few hours inbetween). I sleep mostly on my off days.

As for talking about the issue of Pride: It would be entirely meaningless to discuss such verses if they did not actually apply to us, no?

Thanks for answering my off topic questions... And for the record I believe each one of us deals with a little bit of Pride in our hearts and all the Pride Bible Verses would be good to take note of....

InSpiritInTruth · Jun 19, 2015

gb9 said:

No Budman does not have it right, just read his thread called "An interesting question" here's his quote.....

Originally Posted by Budman

I am talking about people who have indeed accepted Christ as their savior. If you really think about it, since we all still willfully sin, are we not all practicing sinners?" [end quote]

A statement like that should send off all sorts of alarms and warnings for those who have the Spirit.

DesiredHaven · Jun 19, 2015

ember said:

An individual who calls those whom God saves wicked, is one who does not speak from the Holy Spirit

Seriously, what is the motivation here? this accusation is serious because this type of person accuses as does the devil himself

I would not hesitate to state that this type of person is dangerous and should not be fellowshipped with as they spread lies, dissention and discord among believers

The fruit is not love and forgivenss...the fruit is false accusation and lies with a joyful heart in so doing

This entire thread is actually about judgement and condemnation...both the marks of false prophet

When God judges, He does so righteously and ALWAYSD offers reconciliation

Tares are false brethren among the wheat Jesus is the one who calls the tares wicked

The wicked are manifest as the children of God are.

Jason0047 · Jun 19, 2015

gb9 said:

No, the plural of works is used here twice. But works is Titus talking about? Our works or God's work done in us? Titus 1:16 is talking about God's work done in you (Which is the natural result of abiding in God). Titus 3:15 is talking about man's outward work (whereby he is trying to save himself by a system of good deeds without Jesus Christ).

ember · Jun 19, 2015

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. Matthew 7:6

Some folks here are rending believers in the name of their little god...self righteousness

I think it's time to stop casting our pearls, but I guess I'll leave you to it although I do wish you people with the pearls would understand the vitriol and ugliness behind some of these posts.. They are not dialoguing with you...they are accusing you and
do not wish you well.

Their fruit is not growing on the tree of eternal life

May God have mercy on those who are judging here and doing so falsely in Jesus name

You don't understand what folk here are trying to tell you

No worries...this thread has run its course before it started

Jason0047 · Jun 19, 2015

JesusLives said:

As for answering your questions: You are most welcome.

As for the issue of Pride: Well, Pride according to the Bible is when one does not humble themselves before God. This leads to destruction and not salvation.

InSpiritInTruth · Jun 19, 2015

ember said:

Well there ya go, you didn't need me to say what you were wanting so hard for me to say, but I did not say. But even still that did not stop you from bearing false witness against me by trying to put words in my mouth. What spirit do you suppose that is?

DesiredHaven · Jun 19, 2015

Mat 13:38 The field is the world;
the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (1 John 3:10)

The wheat and the tares are to grow together which is why we are told not to be deceived in this

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you:
he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

And in this the two are manifest (wheat and tares)

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, (good seed)
and the children of the devil: (the tares/ the wicked)
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother. (twofold)

1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,
that we should love one another.

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one (the devil) and slew his brother.
And wherefore slew he him?
Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Shows the two growing together in the body of Christ

But Jesus was the one who calls the tares as those of the wicked one even as God pointed out the wicked among his own people in jeremiah's day as well, the angels must sever the wicked from among the just.

But false brethren are spoken of, who might call themselves brethren, in fact even when that man committed fornication (with his fathers wife) Paul said put away from you THAT wicked man (who was brought back in, as I might regard it in 2 Corinthians, but nevertheless Paul calls him wicked by the Holy Ghost so it could possible be understaood as accusing the Holy Ghost as speaking wickedly in that

InSpiritInTruth · Jun 19, 2015

ember said:

An individual who calls those whom God saves wicked, is one who does not speak from the Holy Spirit

Seriously, what is the motivation here? this accusation is serious because this type of person accuses as does the devil himself

I would not hesitate to state that this type of person is dangerous and should not be fellowshipped with as they spread lies, dissention and discord among believers

The fruit is not love and forgivenss...the fruit is false accusation and lies with a joyful heart in so doing

This entire thread is actually about judgement and condemnation...both the marks of a false prophet

When God judges, He does so righteously and ALWAYS offers reconciliation

Where is that individual who said what you claim? Surely you must have proof to make such a damning statement? LOL

Jason0047 · Jun 19, 2015

DesiredHaven said:

Mat 13:38 The field is the world;
the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (1 John 3:10)

The wheat and the tares are to grow together which is why we are told not to be deceived in this

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you:
he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

And in this the two are manifest (wheat and tares)

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, (good seed)
and the children of the devil: (the tares/ the wicked)
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother. (twofold)

1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,
that we should love one another.

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one (the devil) and slew his brother.
And wherefore slew he him?
Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Shows the two growing together in the body of Christ

But Jesus was the one who calls the tares as those of the wicked one even as God pointed out the wicked among his own people in jeremiah's day as well, the angels must sever the wicked from among the just.

But false brethren are spoken of, who might call themselves brethren, in fact even when that man committed fornication (with his fathers wife) Paul said put away from you THAT wicked man (who was brought back in, as I might regard it in 2 Corinthians, but nevertheless Paul calls him wicked by the Holy Ghost so it could possible be understaood as accusing the Holy Ghost as speaking wickedly in that

And the final result:

Matthew 13:41
"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;"

Jason0047 · Jun 19, 2015

Rosesrock said:

So you are saying that you can have eternal life and yet also not be forgiven? I am sorry. That doesn't make sense. One has eternal life because they are forgiven.

Jason0047 · Jun 19, 2015

Jason0047 said:

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).

Jason0047 · Jun 19, 2015

Jason0047 said:

And the flip side of that,

"But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:" (Mark 3:29).

Rosesrock · Jun 19, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Eternal life= thing salvation...right eternal forever. And no youre saying that one can lose eternal life....not me lol

Jason0047 · Jun 19, 2015

Rosesrock said:

As I said before, eternal life is not a super power or some kind of wish that is granted to you by some genie. Nor is it a thing that is separate from the Son. Eternal life is a property that is exclusive to the Son of God. For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). Jesus alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). This lets us know that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and still be saved (Which goes against the popular belief held by many OSAS proponents).

Actually, here is a complete list of passages (I found) that tell us that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and be saved.

#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.

#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).

#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.

#4. Psalm 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).

#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.

#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness.

Utah · Jun 19, 2015

ember said:

An individual who calls those whom God saves wicked, is one who does not speak from the Holy Spirit

Seriously, what is the motivation here? this accusation is serious because this type of person accuses as does the devil himself

I would not hesitate to state that this type of person is dangerous and should not be fellowshipped with as they spread lies, dissention and discord among believers

The fruit is not love and forgivenss...the fruit is false accusation and lies with a joyful heart in so doing

This is an extremely powerful post. I fully agree.

DesiredHaven · Jun 19, 2015

Paul said (through the Holy Ghost)

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

He did not say that wicked person was a someone that was without but of a someone that was within (this person being among themselves). Paul called him that wicked person (presently fornicating) which is according to the unrepentant state of the man doing the same alongside of 1 Cr 5:11 (that which is called a brother) they were told to put away that wicked person from among themselves.

Nowadays they might want to get rid of whoever adresses wickedness but at least there we see Paul call such a man among them "that wicked person" who was a fornicator ( called a brother) who was within, who Paul told in 1 Cr 5:11 not to even eat with such a one, even a railer (which is actually more common among them) and in the same sentence being adressed by Paul as "that wicked person".

The wicked were among his own people back then, but even so it is now as Paul showed

Jerm 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares;they set a trap, they catch men.

Just as there were false prophets (then) even so now (2 Peter 2:1). Just as he that persecuted the one born of the promise (then, as shown in Isaac Gal 4:29) Paul said, even so, now.

Just as in the last days there would be false accusers 2 Ti 3:3 despisers of them that are good.

And all of this in places unable to endure sound doctrine, which happens in and among the religious sphere of things.

Mockers who follow their own lusts and those that heap up teachers after their own lusts. Its pretty clear that self denial will not be popular with such (and among such) in the last of days.

Sirk · Jun 19, 2015

ember said:

An individual who calls those whom God saves wicked, is one who does not speak from the Holy Spirit

Seriously, what is the motivation here? this accusation is serious because this type of person accuses as does the devil himself

I would not hesitate to state that this type of person is dangerous and should not be fellowshipped with as they spread lies, dissention and discord among believers

The fruit is not love and forgivenss...the fruit is false accusation and lies with a joyful heart in so doing

This entire thread is actually about judgement and condemnation...both the marks of a false prophet

When God judges, He does so righteously and ALWAYS offers reconciliation

Good post ember. Being argumentative accusing and obstinate is an evil spirit and needs to be rebuked.

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