Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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Elizabeth619

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I am far smarter than the average bear Pumicestone. My IQ is higher than most people but that is beside the point because I do not like to brag.
High IQs don't get a person into heaven. Besides, it is said the bible is on an elementary comprehension level. Being book smart does not make one more faithful or one closer to God.
 

Elizabeth619

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Mwc68 you are a fool.
Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
I am far smarter than the average bear Pumicestone. My IQ is higher than most people but that is beside the point because I do not like to brag
1 Corinthians 8:2 Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn't really know very much. NLT
 

Jimbone

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Every Christian is to discerning(1 Thes 5:21-22). This isn't necessarily a miraculous gift(meaning like raising the dead, casting out demons. Something that goes against nature). It is the ability to understand right from wrong. Godly from the ungodly. Just because someone claims to have some certain spiritual ability doesn't mean we should always believe them, but put it to the test. That is discernment. All one needs to do is look at scripture and properly understand it to be able to discern.
I feel like it was pretty dang miraculous to me when I received it. I mean I was seeing things I had loved my whole life as just worldly distractions to keep my eyes/thoughts/mind off God. Quite a few things that if I listed now I would have everyone telling me they are not "bad" things. Now I'm just saying this is what the Spirit showed "me" and I don't go around telling everyone they should see it like I do, even though I know God showed me they are. I just believe those things have to be shown to them by God on their personal walk. I'm getting a little off topic, but it was such a radical overnight thing that I feel it could be nothing but a spiritual gift from God.

I agree with what you said though, and wasn't trying to refute or argue, just share my personal view.
 
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Wow! Everyone is picking on poor Mike just for being a Christian! You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
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So Elizabeth619 you think everybody should be dumb?

After all you did say being smart means nothing.

You do know that Apostle Paul IQ was above 200?
 

Elizabeth619

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So Elizabeth619 you think everybody should be dumb? Where did I say being smart means nothing?

After all you did say being smart means nothing.

You do know that Apostle Paul IQ was above 200?
Where did I say everyone should be dumb? And where in scripture did Paul take an IQ test? And where in scripture does it say you have to have a high IQ to get into heaven?
 

Jackson123

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I believe we don't need to be very smart to save, but eat least we know to distinguish between worship the Lord and worship Idol.

 
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... just look at the vast diversity of views expressed right here on Christian Chat (then multiply it by 10 or 100 or 1000 worldwide).

And it is about the important stuff.
OSAS, heaven and hell, the Rapture, belief alone or belief plus works, etc etc etc
LOL this makes clear your prejudice.
There can only be TWO views about OSAS, yes or no.
No one knows the truth about Heaven and Hell. They are outside our range of knowledge. (Why - I thought the Bible had reams of stuff about this ?)
Either the rapture is true or it isn't. (the differences are about when it occurs). So again TWO views.
And the same is true about the choice between belief alone and belief plus works.
Is two a host?
Nope. Two is not a "host".
I gave but a tiny tad of the available examples !
..wanna consider the Catholic doctrines of penance, purgatory, confession, transubstantiation and so on.
shall we ponder the vagaries (to us) of the JWs, Mormons, SDAs, Anglicans, Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox, the Amish, the Quakers, about 20 different variations of Methodists, Pentecostals by the ton, Exclusive Bretheren ....................................................
Like to know how many of them advocate Reincarnation, Intelligent Design, Infant baptism v. believer baptism (unimportant ?)
I would have a dozen one-church off-shoots within ten miles of my home. All different or why break away ?

Nah, sorry mate, there is no clear message.
 
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You do know Pumicestone Purgatory is not in the Scriptures?

Purgatory was invented by the Catholic Church because they believe God is to powerless to cleanse us of all our sins and unrighteousness. They actually believe its by their own power in Purgatory that they can do something that is Impossible with God. And they also teach that Mary has the power to cleanse you of all your sins and unrighteousness and remove you from Purgatory.

See how the Catholics believe God is a weak being who can do nothing for us and believe that Mary is greater than God!

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This is one of many verses the Catholics hate.

Its interesting no Catholic apologetic has been able to prove this Doctrine of Purgatory. In fact most have said it does not exist.
 
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You do know Pumicestone Purgatory is not in the Scriptures?
Purgatory was invented by the Catholic Church because ......
Probably right, Ken ... but not the point.

I was bewailing the vast array of major doctrinal differences across the broad fabric of Christianity -
all claiming to be guided by the 'Holy Spirit'.
Valiant asserted that the differences were few - and that even those were either-or alternatives.

'Purgatory' is just one of the many, many, many examples which can be cited to demonstrate that the range of variations is actually enormous.
 

Jackson123

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Probably right, Ken ... but not the point.

I was bewailing the vast array of major doctrinal differences across the broad fabric of Christianity -
all claiming to be guided by the 'Holy Spirit'.
Valiant asserted that the differences were few - and that even those were either-or alternatives.

'Purgatory' is just one of the many, many, many examples which can be cited to demonstrate that the range of variations is actually enormous.
I my opinion, doctrinal differences could be categorize into 2 ;

1. cause by different interpretation

2. cause by different text book.

To my knowledge, the difference among protestant is the interpretation, they use the same text book.

Catholic use different text book, call tradition, and lie/invent new doctrine, ex, purgatory for money or political purpose.

I don't say every protestant pastor honest, but eat least the way they manage is more transparent.

Catholic seem to have a rule that support lie, ex, infallibility of Pope.

Infallibility,mean member not able to argue if he issue a doctrine, easier to lie.
 
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I my opinion, doctrinal differences could be categorize into 2 ;

1. cause by different interpretation

2. cause by different text book.

To my knowledge, the difference among protestant is the interpretation, they use the same text book.

Catholic use different text book, call tradition, and lie/invent new doctrine, ex, purgatory for money or political purpose.

I don't say every protestant pastor honest, but eat least the way they manage is more transparent.

Catholic seem to have a rule that support lie, ex, infallibility of Pope.

Infallibility,mean member not able to argue if he issue a doctrine, easier to lie.
You need to get off that pope crap you spew. People here on CC follow men and teachers and even these messed up TV preachers. Why dont you hassle them for awhile since you think noone should learn from anyone
 
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You do know Pumicestone Purgatory is not in the Scriptures?

Purgatory was invented by the Catholic Church because they believe God is to powerless to cleanse us of all our sins and unrighteousness. They actually believe its by their own power in Purgatory that they can do something that is Impossible with God. And they also teach that Mary has the power to cleanse you of all your sins and unrighteousness and remove you from Purgatory.

See how the Catholics believe God is a weak being who can do nothing for us and believe that Mary is greater than God!

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This is one of many verses the Catholics hate.

Its interesting no Catholic apologetic has been able to prove this Doctrine of Purgatory. In fact most have said it does not exist.
All kinds of error in this as usual
 

valiant

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Nope. Two is not a "host".
I gave but a tiny tad of the available examples !
..wanna consider the Catholic doctrines of penance, purgatory, confession, transubstantiation and so on.

But they accept these things because the magisterium tells them to on the basis of tradition. It is not a problem of interpreting Scripture.



shall we ponder the vagaries (to us) of the JWs, Mormons,
These are sects which distort the Scriptures.

SDAs, Anglicans, Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox, the Amish, the Quakers, about 20 different variations of Methodists, Pentecostals by the ton, Exclusive Bretheren ....................................................
you will discover that they all have the same basic doctrines. their differences are minor (even when they don't think so)

Like to know how many of them advocate Reincarnation,
the answer is NONE.

Intelligent Design,
we all believe in intelligent design.

Infant baptism v. believer baptism (unimportant ?)
Actually in my view it is unimportant. I worship with both kinds.

I would have a dozen one-church off-shoots within ten miles of my home. All different or why break away ?
But only on what are really minor issues.

Nah, sorry mate, there is no clear message.
well its clear to me and to large numbers of Christians who fellowship together whatever their 'protestant' denomination
 
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You do know Pumicestone Purgatory is not in the Scriptures?

Purgatory was invented by the Catholic Church because they believe God is to powerless to cleanse us of all our sins and unrighteousness. They actually believe its by their own power in Purgatory that they can do something that is Impossible with God. And they also teach that Mary has the power to cleanse you of all your sins and unrighteousness and remove you from Purgatory.

See how the Catholics believe God is a weak being who can do nothing for us and believe that Mary is greater than God!

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This is one of many verses the Catholics hate.

Its interesting no Catholic apologetic has been able to prove this Doctrine of Purgatory. In fact most have said it does not exist.
The Church gives the name Purgatory to the final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.. The Church formulated. her doctrine of faith on Purgatory at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church , by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire.

1 Cor 3:15

1 Peter 1:7

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgement, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age or the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come. This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture : "Therefore Judas Maccabeus made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin".
 
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You do know Pumicestone Purgatory is not in the Scriptures?

Purgatory was invented by the Catholic Church because they believe God is to powerless to cleanse us of all our sins and unrighteousness. They actually believe its by their own power in Purgatory that they can do something that is Impossible with God. And they also teach that Mary has the power to cleanse you of all your sins and unrighteousness and remove you from Purgatory.

See how the Catholics believe God is a weak being who can do nothing for us and believe that Mary is greater than God!

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This is one of many verses the Catholics hate.

Its interesting no Catholic apologetic has been able to prove this Doctrine of Purgatory. In fact most have said it does not exist.
The Church gives the name Purgatory to the final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.. The Church formulated. her doctrine of faith on Purgatory at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church , by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire.

1 Cor 3:15

1 Peter 1:7

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgement, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age or the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come. This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture : "Therefore Judas Maccabeus made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin". From the beginning the church has honored the memory of the dead and offered in suffrage for them.
 

Jackson123

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You need to get off that pope crap you spew. People here on CC follow men and teachers and even these messed up TV preachers. Why dont you hassle them for awhile since you think noone should learn from anyone

I don't mean to hate you, but I love you, that why I expose this doctrine.

The infallibility doctrine will secure the lie teaching like purgatory, Muslim in the plan of salvation.

Pope promote one world government, it must be support by one world financial system and one world religion.

For this political reason, he issue a teaching Muslim in the plan of salvation, to gain support from Muslim on his plan of one world government.

I know there are dishonesty among TV preacher. but if you want to talk about it you better make new tread. This topic is about catholic heresy, not TV preacher.
 

Jackson123

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The Church gives the name Purgatory to the final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.. The Church formulated. her doctrine of faith on Purgatory at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church , by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire.

1 Cor 3:15

1 Peter 1:7

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgement, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age or the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come. This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture : "Therefore Judas Maccabeus made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin". From the beginning the church has honored the memory of the dead and offered in suffrage for them.

nothing of this verses talk about purgatory.