Slain in the Spirit

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Natural opiates the body produces relieve pain and can be triggered by the sort of hysteria we see on the video. I would like to see the people the next morning when the pain returns. Notice, it is always about pain in these sort of services. I was at one of these manic stage shows and there were a group of children in wheelchairs who had been brought to be healed, and not one of them was touched yet dozens of adults with 'back pain' were supposedly healed. Fake.
 
Interesting video. The people who are showing the effects are very sincere, and they are experiencing the effects.
It can be shown that people do get pain relief, but as pointed out the next day is what matters.

The other aspect that matters to me is the belief that in Jesus we are already healthy and wealthy we just need to claim it by confession of healing or possession of a thing that is desired. There is a serious spiritual authority question around this.
By what spiritual authority are we claiming something and whose will is being fulfilled, the believers or Gods?

If you visit an astrologer, they get a vision of your future, and by listening to the words you submit to the authority behind them. Now to have a vision of healing or what the Lord may want you to have is fine, but you need to seek the will of God in the situation, it is not automatic. In the WOF they hate this idea, because they claim it is the will of God that all His people have healing and wealth, in fact to not have it is a demonstration of a lack of faith or realisation of your god status.

So what one may see as potentially a good thing, can in fact be a trap, and a bondage and condemnation of failure, not love in the situation, or accepting Gods will in ones life, and searching to express love through suffering or in spite of it.

Being slain in the Spirit is something that happens, but whether this is good is a question. Is it a sign of submission to something else, or just a product of emotional overload? I would tend towards emotional overload. The problem is people who are slain appear like fainting, it just happens with no purpose other than they fell over.

Many because of this collapse then feel there is real spiritual authority in what is happening in the preaching and fellowship. The effect as far as I can see is actually irrelevent and no indication as to the authenticity of what is being taught or whether people are being met. If anything from people who say this is important is to go on, they are clearly something to seriously avoid, and have some insane idea they now have creative power like a god which they can release.

How far away from ideas of magic and with your word you make things happen like casting spells is this theology? Not very far at all.
 
I only hope that what you see as deception is not directed towards those slain in the Spirit. You may be too quick to dismiss something that is of God, not even realizing it. Maybe you werent quick, and you've done your home work and studied the scriptures and come to the conclusion that it isn't of God. Yet, others have done the same and come to the opposite conclusion and they are witnessing people getting slain in the Spirit. You have two sides, and one is actually experiencing the reality. Kind of reminds me of atheists and their disbelief in God.
Give me your best Scripture supporting it.
 
Watch the video also without sound, it reveals stuff you wouldn't normally catch with the sound.

Again, a dog and pony show as well.
 
Give me your best Scripture supporting it.

I don't know if this is the best one, but it shows that a person in God's glory couldn't stand. It was overwhelming.

1 King 8:10 And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD, So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.

I suppose we could speculate that the phenomena known as being slain in the Spirit is in actuality just a physical response to His glory. Testimonies of people show that they felt weak in their knees, overwhelmed. It simply could be a human response to an all powerful God, that His presence is so strongly in a place that the glory carries weight. Kabod is the Hebrew word for "glory" and it means weight, interestingly enough.

We could also consider Jesus, and when the guards went to arrest Him.

John 18:6King James Version (KJV)

6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

For an indepth look at this verse and how power was involved, this is a good link: When Roman Soldiers Were Knocked Flat by the Power of God! | Dr. Linda Withrow

I cannot state biblical evidence of what exactly happens to a person slain, such as the benefits. To that I am ignorant. However, as shown above, people do have a physical response to the tangible presence of God. That is the point.
 
Lets look at john 18:6

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]So when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.[/FONT]

And some commentaries

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Now we are told the response of those who came to arrest Jesus: when he said to them “I am” they retreated backward and fell to the ground. L. Morris says that “it is possible that those in front recoiled from Jesus’ unexpected advance, so that they bumped those behind them, causing them to stumble and fall.”139 Perhaps this is what in fact happened on the scene. However, the theological significance given to this event by the Evangelist implies that more is involved. The reaction on the part of those who came to arrest Jesus comes in response to his affirmation that he is indeed the one they are seeking, Jesus of Nazareth. But Jesus makes this affirmation of his identity using a formula which the reader has encountered before in the Fourth Gospel, e.g., 8:24, 28, 58. Jesus has applied to himself the Divine Name of Exod 3:14, “I AM”. This amounts to something of a theophany which causes even his enemies to recoil and prostrate themselves, so that Jesus has to ask a second time, “Whom are you seeking?” This is a vivid reminder that even in this dark hour, Jesus holds ultimate power over his enemies and the powers of darkness, because he is the One who bears the Divine Name.

Or

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]They went backward ... - The cause of their retiring in this manner is not mentioned. Various things might have produced it. The frank, open, and fearless manner in which Jesus addressed them may have convinced them of his innocence, and deterred them from prosecuting their wicked attempt. His disclosure of himself was sudden and unexpected; and while they perhaps anticipated that he would make an effort to escape, they were amazed at his open and bold profession. Their consciences reproved them for their crimes, and probably the firm, decided, and yet mild manner in which Jesus addressed them, the expression of his unequalled power in knowing how to find the way to the consciences of men, made them feel that they were in the presence of more than mortal man. There is no proof that there was here any miraculous power, any mere physical force, and to suppose that there was greatly detracts from the moral sublimity of the scene.

And

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]On the other hand, it is possible that the Holy Spirit could move so powerfully on a person that he/she is overcome. After all, God is incredibly powerful. But, the problem is not with this possibility, but with whether or not it is biblical. We must always seek to remain as close as possible to the word of God and let it guide our words and practices. So, let's look at the Word.
Perhaps the closest occurrence we can find in the Bible to being slain in the Spirit is where Paul the apostle fell to the ground when Jesus appeared to him:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]"And it came about that as he journeyed, he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4 and he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?'" (Acts 9:3-4).[/FONT]
​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Is this being slain in the Spirit? No, it is not. But it is an instance where people fell to the ground when the presence of the Lord was strong. In fact, my own subjective experience includes a time where the power of the Lord was so strong that I was forced to bow my knee and be laid low to the ground. But the result was worship and adoration, not a lack of bodily control.

[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]We can see that in the presence of God people fall to the ground. This is natural and proper given the majestic holiness of God compared to our sinfulness. Falling to the ground in the presence of the Lord is to be expected. But, does this mean that being slain in the Spirit is biblical?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]When someone is slain in the Spirit, he or she is usually touched on the forehead by a pastor or teacher or evangelist, etc. This touch alone seems to be the compelling means by which a person receives this movement of the Spirit. The person is then incapacitated for a period of time. Again, is this biblical? Apparently not since there is not a single instance in the New Testament where someone is touched on the forehead and falls to the ground due to the presence of the Spirit.

And finally

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]1. The biblical falling down was a person's reaction to what he saw in a vision or an event beyond ordinary happenings, such as at the transfiguration of Christ (Matthew 17:6). In the unbiblical practice of being slain in the Spirit, the person responds to another’s touch or to the motion of the speaker's arm.

2. The biblical instances were few and far between, and they occurred only rarely in the lives of a few people. In the slain in the Spirit phenomenon, falling down is a repeated event and an experience that happens to many.

3. In the biblical instances, the people fall upon their face in awe at either what or whom they see. In the slain in the Spirit counterfeit, they fall backwards, either in response to the wave of the speaker's arm or as a result of a church leader's touch (or push in some cases).

Read more: Is being slain in the Spirit biblical?[/FONT]
 
The proper reading of John 18:6 is "they went backwards" meaning they drew back or stepped back, not "they fell", and there is no indication whatsoever that they went backwards "3" times.

This is just the opposite of what I have seen happen to people that are supposedly "slain in the spirit", since they immediately without stepping backwards fall backwards to the floor.

Friend, please try not hard to become 'even' with your 'brethren' because that is not exactly the 'written truth', understood in 'context'.

'As it is written' exactly in John 18;6, that;

"When JESUS said to them, 'I AM HE,' they drew back 'and' fell to the ground."

These happened 'together' at the same time. And do not try to 'separate' any of them and the 'doctrine' will be 'twisted'.

Your points are also noted, taken and appreciated that this incident did not happen '3' times in the 'passage', as i have mistakenly 'testified'. i sincerely apologize for that, 'i am sorry to all', and that i may have 'received' them from another written 'version', or probably from a 'man of GOD' in a church meeting, or perhaps may be from a Christian book, i do not remember.

Some do 'fall' immediately 'backwards' like a 'cut timber' and there are also some who step backwards, may due to 'natural reflexes' to regain balance, sooner either they 'freely fall backwards' to the ground or may be 'tripped' by someone or something behind them.

GOD bless all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
 
i believe in what i have learned from the HOLY SPIRIT, that being 'Slain in the Spirit', which is not exactly Biblical, contradicts Biblical 'Sword of the SPIRIT', 'The Word of GOD', that 'ministers' and 'convicts' people.

May be this is truly the right 'interpretation' and use of the word of being 'Slain in the SPIRIT' that when one is 'convicted' by the 'Word of GOD'. This is in 'reference' to, as written in 1 Corinthians 14;24.25, what the gift of 'prophesy' does to a person or people.

And the 'Sword of the SPIRIT' which is 'The Word of GOD', written in Ephesians 6;17. Together the 'function' of the 'Word of GOD', which is like 'a double edged sword', written in Hebrews 4;12,13.

As it is also written;

"All Honor, All Praise and All Glory be to our GOD forever and ever. Amen."

'Slain in the SPIRIT' is 'similar' to as it is written in Ephesians 6;17end and Hebrews 4;12,13, that;

17. ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and the 'Sword of the SPIRIT', which is the 'Word of GOD',"

12. "For the Word of GOD is 'living' and 'active', sharper than any 'two edged sword', piercing to the division of the soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrows, and discerning the thoughts and intention of the heart." 13. "And no creature is hidden from HIS sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of HIM to whom we must give account."

And also, 'as it is written' in 1 Corinthians 14;24,25, that;

24. "But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all," 25. "the secrets of his heart are disclosed, and so, falling on his face, he will worship GOD and declare that GOD is really among you."

These Holy Scripture which are interrelated with each other 'declares', what it means to be 'Slain in the SPIRIT', when 'prophesying', it is 'profitable' bringing 'unbelievers' and 'outsiders' to 'conviction' and 'testimony' and 'repentance' to GOD.

GOD bless you all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.