Abortion
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Personally, speaking solely as a human, I think abortion should be retroactive to the age of 18!
Seriously, that was a joke, altho I would imagine there are a few parents of unruly children who might agree with it
But getting back to the issue as defined, yes the man was 50% responsible for creating the child. So if a woman has an abortion, perhaps the man should be castrated at the same time.
There are plenty of people looking to adopt. Abortion, no matter who took part in the creation of the child, should be abandoned for adoption instead.
Seriously, that was a joke, altho I would imagine there are a few parents of unruly children who might agree with it
But getting back to the issue as defined, yes the man was 50% responsible for creating the child. So if a woman has an abortion, perhaps the man should be castrated at the same time.
There are plenty of people looking to adopt. Abortion, no matter who took part in the creation of the child, should be abandoned for adoption instead.
M
Well to be fair it's the woman's body that takes takes the trauma of giving birth. The woman who carries it around with her for 9 months and suffers with all the medical ailments that can occur but ultimately it is the baby who has a right to life - he/she didn't ask to be made.
There is no argument to end life - ever.
There is no argument to end life - ever.
I completely agree with the end point. I just find it hypocritical in today's society where the guy can be taken for everything because he doesn't want to be in the child's life, yet a guy can't do anything if the girl wants to have an abortion. I think there is a strong Gender bias. But I'm probably in the minority in thinking this and probably going to cause a gender debate by saying this.
M
I see your point and I sympathise but I really don't see how the man can have rule over the woman's body - they may not even be together anymore.
The more I look at the complications and the implications of going against God's will, the more I see His wisdom in the rules He sets out for us and the more I realise we must follow those rules to the letter if we are to have an uncomplicated life. If we abstain from having sex before marriage a baby conceived in the union wouldn't be as likely to be "inconvenient" or unwanted or even so much of a "surprise". It's simple, if you don't want a baby don't make one.
The more I look at the complications and the implications of going against God's will, the more I see His wisdom in the rules He sets out for us and the more I realise we must follow those rules to the letter if we are to have an uncomplicated life. If we abstain from having sex before marriage a baby conceived in the union wouldn't be as likely to be "inconvenient" or unwanted or even so much of a "surprise". It's simple, if you don't want a baby don't make one.
Abortion is never right! Well, except things like ectopic pregnancies where the baby would die anyway and take the mother with him or her.
Normal pregnancies needed to be supported with women who view them as "crises." I still find it hard to understand how someone could not understand about the unique genetic imprint of each new child and how God created them. Of course, that is the problem right there, in that so many people do not believe God when he says the following:
"13 For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.[a]
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them." Psalm 139:13-16
God gives life and he takes it away. That is why abortion and euthenasia are both wrong. They take from God's hands what rightfully belongs to him alone.
Normal pregnancies needed to be supported with women who view them as "crises." I still find it hard to understand how someone could not understand about the unique genetic imprint of each new child and how God created them. Of course, that is the problem right there, in that so many people do not believe God when he says the following:
"13 For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.[a]
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them." Psalm 139:13-16
God gives life and he takes it away. That is why abortion and euthenasia are both wrong. They take from God's hands what rightfully belongs to him alone.
A
Yes! In one case -- to save the life of the mother. (Truly save the mother's life, not like nowadays when they mean "she could be emotionally scarred, so she should abort.")
Even then, I believe that should be a decision only made through consensus between the mother and father. I've known women who would rather die themselves then let the baby die, but they seem to miss the whole concept that Dad gets in on this decision too. Both have to agree to the same thing, because both have to live with the consequences until death.
Even then, I believe that should be a decision only made through consensus between the mother and father. I've known women who would rather die themselves then let the baby die, but they seem to miss the whole concept that Dad gets in on this decision too. Both have to agree to the same thing, because both have to live with the consequences until death.
A
Not always that simple. I wrestled out the abortion question in my mind for those three weeks between being raped and finally getting my period. (The only period I ever cried for joy in getting. lol)
During those three weeks, I decided it wasn't the baby's fault Dad is a creep, so why should the baby be punished? I also feared I'd unconsciously punish the baby for who Dad was (and there were five of them, so I would never know which was Dad), so I thought it would only be fair to Baby if someone else raised her.
Having sex while married, isn't always the only way creating life happens. We are all sinful, thus we sin.
During those three weeks, I decided it wasn't the baby's fault Dad is a creep, so why should the baby be punished? I also feared I'd unconsciously punish the baby for who Dad was (and there were five of them, so I would never know which was Dad), so I thought it would only be fair to Baby if someone else raised her.
Having sex while married, isn't always the only way creating life happens. We are all sinful, thus we sin.
Personally, speaking solely as a human, I think abortion should be retroactive to the age of 18!
Seriously, that was a joke, altho I would imagine there are a few parents of unruly children who might agree with it
But getting back to the issue as defined, yes the man was 50% responsible for creating the child. So if a woman has an abortion, perhaps the man should be castrated at the same time.
There are plenty of people looking to adopt. Abortion, no matter who took part in the creation of the child, should be abandoned for adoption instead.
Seriously, that was a joke, altho I would imagine there are a few parents of unruly children who might agree with it
But getting back to the issue as defined, yes the man was 50% responsible for creating the child. So if a woman has an abortion, perhaps the man should be castrated at the same time.
There are plenty of people looking to adopt. Abortion, no matter who took part in the creation of the child, should be abandoned for adoption instead.
A
Friends of mine had a sister who found out she had cancer when she was 5 months pregnant. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. (She opted to postpone treatment until the baby was born, but would you really deny her the right to get treated, simply because it cracks you up?)
It is also more rare than the other two excuses abortion advocates gave -- rape and incest. I'd be fine with setting a law to allow abortions for all three reasons, if we stopped abortions for all other reasons. That would save 98% of babies' lives -- at least back in 1972 when those statistics were given. Who knows how few are those three situations now? Although, I got a call from a pro-life organization who says the statistics for abortions in the US are only 3000 a day. I got excited. Back in the 80's it was 4000 a day, so apparently less now than then.
It is also more rare than the other two excuses abortion advocates gave -- rape and incest. I'd be fine with setting a law to allow abortions for all three reasons, if we stopped abortions for all other reasons. That would save 98% of babies' lives -- at least back in 1972 when those statistics were given. Who knows how few are those three situations now? Although, I got a call from a pro-life organization who says the statistics for abortions in the US are only 3000 a day. I got excited. Back in the 80's it was 4000 a day, so apparently less now than then.