The Mystery of the Shemitah

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purgedconscience

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Hi everybody.

My sister sent me a DVD entitled The Mystery of the Shemitah by Jonathan Cahn that I just finished watching and I'm just wondering if anybody else here has watched it or read the book by the same name and if so, then what did you think about it? If somebody else has already asked this question, then please provide me a link me to that thread. Thank you.
 

valiant

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not another of these Satanic manipulations of Biblical material so as to interest the unwary and earn lots of money?
 
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purgedconscience

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not another of these Satanic manipulations of Biblical material so as to interest the unwary and earn lots of money?
I'm personally not easily manipulated by Satan nor am I either unwary or prone to charlatans looking for my money. That said, have you watched the video yourself or are you just throwing a wet blanket on it without even knowing what it's about?
 

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not another of these Satanic manipulations of Biblical material so as to interest the unwary and earn lots of money?
not a good way to be uplifting , just like most other comments on posts of yours
 
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yeah...I'm not really all that keen on Cahn's 'revelations'...he has quite a few of them and all of them based on ANCIENT MYSTERIES that he detects from the OT

he's the same one that wrote that book THE HARBINGER that came out back in Jan of 2012...it was quite the sensation back then and it was his first book

Since then, he has been very busy with more books and many 'revelations'

I just don't get why God would be speaking to a Gentile nation using OT scripture concerning His judgements on Israel as a nation

I'm not saying the US is gangbuster's a ok in God's sight...not at all...but Cahn's publications don't sit quite right with me but he definately has a large following who seem to hang on his every word

Mind you, some people are always waiting for a new revelation or a new word while they don't even know about all the words God has already spoken and placed in a convenient format for us to read and study.

Do I think everything there is to know about God is in the Bible? No of course not....and while history does repeat itself, I think that is more due to sinful human beings doing the same things over and over rather than anything else
 
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See, its the mysticism regarding his revelations and the sensationalistic representations that throw me off

If you know anything about Jewish mysticism, then you might understand why I 'feel' or think as I do

Rabbi Cahn's reliance on mysterious signs, symbols and prophetic messages should be a warning to us. They illustrate his subtle blend of truth and mysticism -- and make the latter seem more significant than God's Word. As he told Glenn Beck in June, “The Harbinger is a two and a half thousand year mystery that lies behind everything.”
SOURCE

I'm not even saying I believe everything negative that has been written...I just kind of said no I don't think so to myself when I heard him and learned what all he was saying
 
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yeah...I'm not really all that keen on Cahn's 'revelations'...he has quite a few of them and all of them based on ANCIENT MYSTERIES that he detects from the OT

he's the same one that wrote that book THE HARBINGER that came out back in Jan of 2012...it was quite the sensation back then and it was his first book

Since then, he has been very busy with more books and many 'revelations'

I just don't get why God would be speaking to a Gentile nation using OT scripture concerning His judgements on Israel as a nation

I'm not saying the US is gangbuster's a ok in God's sight...not at all...but Cahn's publications don't sit quite right with me but he definately has a large following who seem to hang on his every word

Mind you, some people are always waiting for a new revelation or a new word while they don't even know about all the words God has already spoken and placed in a convenient format for us to read and study.

Do I think everything there is to know about God is in the Bible? No of course not....and while history does repeat itself, I think that is more due to sinful human beings doing the same things over and over rather than anything else
One of the problems with Cahn is he keeps finding
ANCIENT MYSTERIES
that no one else seems to be able to detect. Does make the subject matter a lot more interesting if you call it an ancient mystery.
 
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Hi everybody.

My sister sent me a DVD entitled The Mystery of the Shemitah by Jonathan Cahn that I just finished watching and I'm just wondering if anybody else here has watched it or read the book by the same name and if so, then what did you think about it? If somebody else has already asked this question, then please provide me a link me to that thread. Thank you.
The thing about Cahm is he takes things that pertain to Israel and applies them to America. God never had a covenant with America, so it doesn't make sense that God would use things that pertain to Israel His Covenant People to judge America.

Like I said in another post, the only place I see in the Bible where nations will be judged is at the end of the Tribulation Period, after Israel has been judged, the nations of earth will be judged by Christ and His Church. This judgment will not be against individuals but against nations for their treatment of the Jewish people.

“For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land” (Joel 3:1-2).

The Hebrew word Shemitah means "release", the seventh year was supposed to be a rest for the land, no planting or harvesting during the seventh year. The sixth year God caused the land to produce three times what it normally would, and, this carried Israel through the seventh year and into the eighth until the harvest came. In the seventh year debtors were released from debts. Whoever they owed money to they were to release that person that was in debt to them, that's where the word Shemitah "release" comes from. It was a Sabbth year.

We all know the story how Israel disregarded the obsevance of the Sabbath year for 70 cycles or 490 years and they were taken captive to Babylon.

In Cahn's book the Harbinger he tried to make the point that the Founding Fathers going as far back as the Puritans and the Pilgrims had it in their minds to creat a New Israel on American shores, so even though God didn't make a covenant with America the founding Father's in a sense wanted to make a covenant with God and that America is only the second nation in history that was dedicated to God from the begining.

Cahn has said that it was never his intention to make it appear that America is a new Israel, yet in his book "The Mystery of The Shemitah" in chapter 7 "Fourth Key: The Secret Israel" and his second section is called "The Israel of the New World".

Since he is Jewish it's hard to imagine but it looks like Cahn is espouseing "Replacement Theology"
 
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purgedconscience

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So, does anybody want to discuss the actual topic or to just bash Cahn?

Incidentally, the whole plan of salvation is an ancient mystery, isn't it?
 
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purgedconscience

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The thing about Cahm is he takes things that pertain to Israel and applies them to America. God never had a covenant with America, so it doesn't make sense that God would use things that pertain to Israel His Covenant People to judge America.

Like I said in another post, the only place I see in the Bible where nations will be judged is at the end of the Tribulation Period, after Israel has been judged, the nations of earth will be judged by Christ and His Church. This judgment will not be against individuals but against nations for their treatment of the Jewish people.

“For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land” (Joel 3:1-2).

The Hebrew word Shemitah means "release", the seventh year was supposed to be a rest for the land, no planting or harvesting during the seventh year. The sixth year God caused the land to produce three times what it normally would, and, this carried Israel through the seventh year and into the eighth until the harvest came. In the seventh year debtors were released from debts. Whoever they owed money to they were to release that person that was in debt to them, that's where the word Shemitah "release" comes from. It was a Sabbth year.

We all know the story how Israel disregarded the obsevance of the Sabbath year for 70 cycles or 490 years and they were taken captive to Babylon.

In Cahn's book the Harbinger he tried to make the point that the Founding Fathers going as far back as the Puritans and the Pilgrims had it in their minds to creat a New Israel on American shores, so even though God didn't make a covenant with America the founding Father's in a sense wanted to make a covenant with God and that America is only the second nation in history that was dedicated to God from the begining.

Cahn has said that it was never his intention to make it appear that America is a new Israel, yet in his book "The Mystery of The Shemitah" in chapter 7 "Fourth Key: The Secret Israel" and his second section is called "The Israel of the New World".

Since he is Jewish it's hard to imagine but it looks like Cahn is espouseing "Replacement Theology"
Okay, you posted this just as I was making my last post and I thank you for sharing your views here.
 
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purgedconscience

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I just don't get why God would be speaking to a Gentile nation using OT scripture concerning His judgements on Israel as a nation.
All throughout the New Testament, Gentiles are given the example of what happened to Israel to learn from so that they don't make their same mistakes. Isn't this true?
 
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All throughout the New Testament, Gentiles are given the example of what happened to Israel to learn from so that they don't make their same mistakes. Isn't this true?
If that's all he's doing, why refer to America as "The Secert Israel"? And why use the rising and falling of the stockmarket and the American economy as if to try and porve that God has been exercising judgement on America?
 
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purgedconscience

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If that's all he's doing, why refer to America as "The Secert Israel"? And why use the rising and falling of the stockmarket and the American economy as if to try and porve that God has been exercising judgement on America?
I don't know that that's all that he's doing. My comment was a generic response to something that ember had said.
 

valiant

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So, does anybody want to discuss the actual topic or to just bash Cahn?

Incidentally, the whole plan of salvation is an ancient mystery, isn't it?
There was nothing hidden about it :)
 
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purgedconscience

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There was nothing hidden about it :)
Colossians chapter 1 verses 25 thru 27

Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

I Corinthians chapter 2 verses 6 thru 8

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


And so on.
 
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All throughout the New Testament, Gentiles are given the example of what happened to Israel to learn from so that they don't make their same mistakes. Isn't this true?

all throughtout the New Testament there was no NT

we have one...the converts did not have one...the letters sent to them, BECAME the NT

The converts were reminded because that is the text they had

I guess you cannot teach from something you don't have....