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SebastianKeats

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I have been repeatedly told by a few members who will remain unnamed that I am not a true Christian because I am Catholic. I am a proud Irish Catholic. Here is my bit :

I have been told that the saying the Hail Mary is a form of worshiping Mary and not Jesus. I was raised in Catholic Education my whole life so let me explain this. The Church is centered around Jesus. We pay homage to those individuals throughout history who have led virtuous lives in the name of Christ. Our church is centered around Christ. I pray and worship only Christ who is my vehicle to our Higher Power.

I almost left CC because of some of the ignorant slants I got from a certain member about Mary. First off, I understand that saying the Hail Mary may be taken as a sign of worship, however, it has always been taught to me that saying the prayer is a sign of respect for Mary who brought Christ into the world and she is not to be thought of as anything more.l "We believe one God, the Father the Almighty, creator of heaven and earth..."

I just wanted to say that 99% of the people here are AWESOME, but please realize that I AM a true Christian, I strive everyday to be one. And I was confirmed in the name of Sebastian (Which is now officially my first name) to honor him and exemplify his message and bravery for the Glory of God.

Let me know what you think ! If you do not agree that Catholics are true Christians then please leave a comment below or if you have any thoughts I would love to hear from you !!! I will not and have not responded to anyone who believes that I am not a true Christian with any rancor. I just want to hear what and why you believe what you do !

Love and Strength in Christ,

Sebastian Keats
 
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jus ignore it mate kinda went through the same thing
 
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Hello Sebastian, God bless you.
I don't really know much about the topic, but I think and have seen much Catholics worshiping Mary and other saints. God doesn't like this actions. The Bible says so, God is jealous. Showing respect to some one, doesn't means to worship it. Everyone make mistakes, but if we read the Bible, it is very clear about the topic.
John 14: 5-6..
Jesus the Way to the Father

5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Many Catholics believe that Mary is who intersede by them, and that is not so.
That is wrong, the verse above proves it. So, I think if you have Jesus in first place and do not worship Mary and other saints, you're really a true Christian, because you follow Christ and not others.

Hope you understand.
Be blessed,
Brenda
 
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Belgian_Pilot

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SebastianKeats said:
I have been repeatedly told by a few members who will remain unnamed that I am not a true Christian because I am Catholic. I am a proud Irish Catholic. Here is my bit :

I have been told that the saying the Hail Mary is a form of worshiping Mary and not Jesus. I was raised in Catholic Education my whole life so let me explain this. The Church is centered around Jesus. We pay homage to those individuals throughout history who have led virtuous lives in the name of Christ. Our church is centered around Christ. I pray and worship only Christ who is my vehicle to our Higher Power.

I almost left CC because of some of the ignorant slants I got from a certain member about Mary. First off, I understand that saying the Hail Mary may be taken as a sign of worship, however, it has always been taught to me that saying the prayer is a sign of respect for Mary who brought Christ into the world and she is not to be thought of as anything more.l "We believe one God, the Father the Almighty, creator of heaven and earth..."

I just wanted to say that 99% of the people here are AWESOME, but please realize that I AM a true Christian, I strive everyday to be one. And I was confirmed in the name of Sebastian (Which is now officially my first name) to honor him and exemplify his message and bravery for the Glory of God.

Let me know what you think ! If you do not agree that Catholics are true Christians then please leave a comment below or if you have any thoughts I would love to hear from you !!! I will not and have not responded to anyone who believes that I am not a true Christian with any rancor. I just want to hear what and why you believe what you do !

Love and Strength in Christ,

Sebastian Keats
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Hey Sebastian,

Just to make things clear: Christians do respect Mary. It is true that she is an important person in the Bible. Worshipping her however, it is not a good thing, for only God is to be worshipped. He told us that He, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one, so it's good to worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit also. Like Brenda says, a personal relation with Jesus is the only way to the Father, so everything else (including the Pope, the saints, ...) that would be nescessery to be saved, is not according to His word.

Please note that we are not in the position to judge you, as God only has the right to do so. We're only helping and giving advise.

Ask God for His wisdom and His advise. He's waaay smarter then I. ;)

God bless!
 
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Catholics are cool by me as long as they read their bible. Too many Christians, Catholic or not, just take what the Priest/Pastor says without looking into it. Follow the Word, not a man.
 
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Amen. I can dig that.
 
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iliveforHim

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SebastianKeats said:
I have been repeatedly told by a few members who will remain unnamed that I am not a true Christian because I am Catholic. I am a proud Irish Catholic. Here is my bit :

I have been told that the saying the Hail Mary is a form of worshiping Mary and not Jesus. I was raised in Catholic Education my whole life so let me explain this. The Church is centered around Jesus. We pay homage to those individuals throughout history who have led virtuous lives in the name of Christ. Our church is centered around Christ. I pray and worship only Christ who is my vehicle to our Higher Power.

I almost left CC because of some of the ignorant slants I got from a certain member about Mary. First off, I understand that saying the Hail Mary may be taken as a sign of worship, however, it has always been taught to me that saying the prayer is a sign of respect for Mary who brought Christ into the world and she is not to be thought of as anything more.l "We believe one God, the Father the Almighty, creator of heaven and earth..."

I just wanted to say that 99% of the people here are AWESOME, but please realize that I AM a true Christian, I strive everyday to be one. And I was confirmed in the name of Sebastian (Which is now officially my first name) to honor him and exemplify his message and bravery for the Glory of God.

Let me know what you think ! If you do not agree that Catholics are true Christians then please leave a comment below or if you have any thoughts I would love to hear from you !!! I will not and have not responded to anyone who believes that I am not a true Christian with any rancor. I just want to hear what and why you believe what you do !

Love and Strength in Christ,

Sebastian Keats
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Dear Sebastian,

it saddens me to think that a fellow God Follower feels like he should or wants to leave this Chat Room. I meant it when I welcomed you the first time you were here, and I welcome you now. God is everything, and he used Mary as a vessel to bring His Son Jesus Christ into this world. I understand God says He is a jealous God and that we may not worship anyone other than Him, but I see nothing wrong with thanking Mary for the part she played in our Biblical history. I do not judge, for God is the only One who can and should judge...and that is my humble opinion...

God Bless!

Ingrid
 
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SebastianKeats

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Ingrid,

Thank you for your kind words ! Yeah i wasn't going to leave, there was just one member that was aggressive with me. It seems like you understand what I am trying to say !

Thank you, and I love this site, it is awesome !!!!!


Strength and Honor in Christ,

SeaBass
 
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iliveforHim

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Ingrid,

Thank you for your kind words ! Yeah i wasn't going to leave, there was just one member that was aggressive with me. It seems like you understand what I am trying to say !

Thank you, and I love this site, it is awesome !!!!!


Strength and Honor in Christ,

SeaBass
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I don't like aggression, confrontations, or sarcasm. They waste too much energy and hurt people's feelings.

I prefer kindness, laughter, peace and friendship. Call me a hippie, but that's me...a God loving hippie...:)

hee heeee....
 
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PRAIASEmyGOD

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SebastianKeats said:
I have been repeatedly told by a few members who will remain unnamed that I am not a true Christian because I am Catholic. I am a proud Irish Catholic. Here is my bit :

I have been told that the saying the Hail Mary is a form of worshiping Mary and not Jesus. I was raised in Catholic Education my whole life so let me explain this. The Church is centered around Jesus. We pay homage to those individuals throughout history who have led virtuous lives in the name of Christ. Our church is centered around Christ. I pray and worship only Christ who is my vehicle to our Higher Power.

I almost left CC because of some of the ignorant slants I got from a certain member about Mary. First off, I understand that saying the Hail Mary may be taken as a sign of worship, however, it has always been taught to me that saying the prayer is a sign of respect for Mary who brought Christ into the world and she is not to be thought of as anything more.l "We believe one God, the Father the Almighty, creator of heaven and earth..."

I just wanted to say that 99% of the people here are AWESOME, but please realize that I AM a true Christian, I strive everyday to be one. And I was confirmed in the name of Sebastian (Which is now officially my first name) to honor him and exemplify his message and bravery for the Glory of God.

Let me know what you think ! If you do not agree that Catholics are true Christians then please leave a comment below or if you have any thoughts I would love to hear from you !!! I will not and have not responded to anyone who believes that I am not a true Christian with any rancor. I just want to hear what and why you believe what you do !

Love and Strength in Christ,

Sebastian Keats
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hey if you dont mind do you think you could explain a bit more of being a cothilic to me in a message, i dont plan on switching churches i am just currious how they are diffrent, and i have a few questions when you get the chance
 
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catholics are indeed christians since they collected the books to create the bible themselves! anyway i don 't agree with this whole mary worship thing, purgatory, praying for the saints thing, praying the rosary, and having too many statues of jesus and mary! don't get me wrong i don't really mind having them as long as they don't bow down to it and worship it af is it is GOD!
 
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Who ever said anything about worship of Mary!? It's regarded as one of the biggest heresies by the Catholic church!! Coincidentally this was again stated very clearly in a sermon I attended to recently.

Catholicism practices VENERATION not worship of Mary, Veneration towards the purest human being who carried God incarnate aka. Jesus Christ in her womb & as his mother, for her role in his life & subsequently for any Christian who seeks to pray for her intercession. It's the same with any Catholic saint to a certain extent. Now I know not everyone shares the intercession doctrine in the same manner but that's another issue I won't go into here.

I hope this explanation suffices to eliminate any misunderstandings. I'm a Roman Catholic.
 
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SebastianKeats said:
I have been repeatedly told by a few members who will remain unnamed that I am not a true Christian because I am Catholic. I am a proud Irish Catholic. Here is my bit :

I have been told that the saying the Hail Mary is a form of worshiping Mary and not Jesus. I was raised in Catholic Education my whole life so let me explain this. The Church is centered around Jesus. We pay homage to those individuals throughout history who have led virtuous lives in the name of Christ. Our church is centered around Christ. I pray and worship only Christ who is my vehicle to our Higher Power.

I almost left CC because of some of the ignorant slants I got from a certain member about Mary. First off, I understand that saying the Hail Mary may be taken as a sign of worship, however, it has always been taught to me that saying the prayer is a sign of respect for Mary who brought Christ into the world and she is not to be thought of as anything more.l "We believe one God, the Father the Almighty, creator of heaven and earth..."
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Hello Sebastian,

The way that you have worded your post, would certainly make anyone hesitant to comment on your belief, not wanting you to feel unwelcomed, or unaccepted in the Church. But to point out the errors of Islamic doctrine, Mormon doctrine, and the doctrine of Jehovah's witnesses, (as many have in other posts), without also pointing out the grave errors in Catholic doctrine, when such doctrine becomes an issue, as it has here, would be somewhat discriminatory and biased.

My friend, if you have fully accepted the doctrine of your church, you believe considerably more than what you've stated here concerning Mary and your church.

In the Councel of Ephesus in 431 AD, your church determined that Mary was the mother of the whole person of Jesus Christ, making her not only the mother of Jesus in the flesh, but also the mother of God, which also serves to support the Catholic belief that Mary is the mother of us all.

It is also known that Mary was a virgin at the time of her conception, but continued to have children after the birth of Jesus. This is well supported in the scriptures, however the Catholic church has made her a 'Perpetual Virgin', claiming that she never lost her virginity.

It is also Catholic belief, that Mary was sinless. The only thing that remains a matter of debate in circles which support this claim, is exactly when she became sinless.

According to the Ad Caeli Reginam, by Pope Pius Xll, Mary is the "Queen of Heaven". This is a belief based on the assumption that because Jesus is a King, Mary certainly must be a queen.

Friend, I agree that no one is in a position to judge the salvation of another, however, this belief system is certainly not consistent with the fundamental beliefs of the bible It cannot be said whether these serious errors in doctrine could prevent someone from being saved, but, I believe that anyone choosing to question this doctrine is wise to do so, as scrutiny is definately warranted.
 
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I agree, calling Catholics not Christian is just absurd.
 
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BlackDove

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I would have to contend the notion that we are not to judge one another:

"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. 'Purge the evil person from among you.'"- 1 Corinthians 5:12-13

We judge those who belong to the body of Christ though, not outsiders. We are, however, to judge without hypocrisy:

"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." - John 7:24

I do have a question about Catholicism that I would like to ask you Sebastian, but I want to make sure I get my facts right first...
 
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SebastianKeats said:
Ingrid,

Thank you for your kind words ! Yeah i wasn't going to leave, there was just one member that was aggressive with me. It seems like you understand what I am trying to say !

Thank you, and I love this site, it is awesome !!!!!


Strength and Honor in Christ,

SeaBass
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Well to me the bottom line of salvation. is.

If we repent of our sin and ask Jesus into our lives as Lord and Saviour and believe this has happened, we are saved.

That Biblically is the truth.
 
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The thing that happens the most is guilt by association. In Mexico and South American countries you see a lot of catholics who emphasize salvation through Mary. I remember speaking with someone saying that he fully relies on Mary and if she can't save him then he'll gladly go to hell. When you see the pope in a council with other religious leaders saying that we all worship the same God and takes a Hindu mark of Shiva on his forehead, well... it kind of makes you think all catholicism is headed in that direction. So, it's not that we're trying to say that all catholics are evil, we just don't like the direction some of it has taken. Not just currently, but historically as well.
 
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Does that mean I believe that Catholics go to hell? Well let me ask you another question. Do all baptists, calvinists, armenians, presbyterians, etc. etc. etc. go to heaven? No, of course not. Only on those relying on Christ. I believe both catholicism and even evangelicalism has been corrupted at it's core. Yes you have a few here and there on both sides that rely on the truth, which is Christ. But for me to say that catholicism has to mend it's ways would be hypocritical, for even the evangelicals have begun trading in biblical truth for traditions and doctrines of men.
 
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SebastianKeats said:
I have been repeatedly told by a few members who will remain unnamed that I am not a true Christian because I am Catholic. I am a proud Irish Catholic. Here is my bit :

I have been told that the saying the Hail Mary is a form of worshiping Mary and not Jesus. I was raised in Catholic Education my whole life so let me explain this. The Church is centered around Jesus. We pay homage to those individuals throughout history who have led virtuous lives in the name of Christ. Our church is centered around Christ. I pray and worship only Christ who is my vehicle to our Higher Power.

I almost left CC because of some of the ignorant slants I got from a certain member about Mary. First off, I understand that saying the Hail Mary may be taken as a sign of worship, however, it has always been taught to me that saying the prayer is a sign of respect for Mary who brought Christ into the world and she is not to be thought of as anything more.l "We believe one God, the Father the Almighty, creator of heaven and earth..."

I just wanted to say that 99% of the people here are AWESOME, but please realize that I AM a true Christian, I strive everyday to be one. And I was confirmed in the name of Sebastian (Which is now officially my first name) to honor him and exemplify his message and bravery for the Glory of God.

Let me know what you think ! If you do not agree that Catholics are true Christians then please leave a comment below or if you have any thoughts I would love to hear from you !!! I will not and have not responded to anyone who believes that I am not a true Christian with any rancor. I just want to hear what and why you believe what you do !

Love and Strength in Christ,

Sebastian Keats
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No-one has the right to say you are not a true Christian. I wouldn't take any notice of people who feel they are an authority to make that judgement.
 
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NoTearsShed

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Christians are NOT catholic....
At least thats how i see it if you pray to God & ONLY God, read the bible then i consider you a christian NOW if you pray to virgin mary like actually pray to her or say thanks to her for things then that right there is catholic or something else BUT NOT christian.

I dont have anything against mary i respect her BUT DONT worship her, Nor pray to her saying thanks for bringing Jesus(human form) to life on earth because God could have made ANY virgin pregnant with Jesus Christ =) It is God who braught Jesus to earth NOT mary or anyone else so why pray to say thanks to her every now & then? Instead Thanks to God who was Loving & caring for us who sent his son to die for us for our sins to be forgiven so we can have eternal life with him =D

Saying all hail is like worshipping...
Thats how i see it...
I dont believe in worshiping ANYONE BUT the father , the son & the Holy spirit which is God as one.

I really dont want you to take this the wrong way but i think your a christian since you dont pray to virgin mary...even if you say you are a catholic...
But well you can call yourself christian or catholic or something else as long as you Love God & only worship him, read the bible keep the comandments (or atleast try & ask for forgiveness when you mess up & try to change your ways)
I think thats good =D
 
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