Why I'm neither Catholic nor Protestant, but Baptist

[KennethC]

The sermon (homily) is supposed to be based off of the Four bible readings for that particular Sunday ( 3 readings during the week) but the priest does have some lee way with his sermon(homily). Sorry, for the use of the word Homily. Sermon just makes me think of a preacher sweating, and screaming. and spitting and telling me I'm going to Hell. But, then some like that. I dated a woman who loved to hear those fired up sermons. I'm afraid if my priest preached like that an exorcist would be called! LOL

We should have an even balance of the fire and brimstone and grace being taught in the churches, as to many of them now days have gone away from the warnings all together as if they don't exist or they play them off as oh that is just rewards !!!

What I found is that not all Catholic churches do hold the same service all around the world at the same time, as I was told in the one I attended. Some of them their priest do give their own services and do not follow the standard teachings, and have even ran into a few that instruct against some of the teachings of the church....

 

[MikeHenderson]

All the Catholic Churches do Worship Mary. This you will find in every Catholic Church.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Please, let's not let this thread become the abominable cut-throat back-and-forth the "Why are you a Protestant?" thread has become. You want to discuss Catholic/Protestant differences and argue doctrine, there are already two other threads for that on this board.

 

[MikeHenderson]

The problem with discussing Doctrines with Catholics is all they want to do is trample on the Scriptures and say its only your opinion on what God says in the Scriptures.

Its the Catholics who are making these sites cut-throat with their disrespect for the teachings of the Holy Spirit.

God did tell us not to cast our Pearls before swine.

 

[KennethC]

The problem with discussing Doctrines with Catholics is all they want to do is trample on the Scriptures and say its only your opinion on what God says in the Scriptures.

Its the Catholics who are making these sites cut-throat with their disrespect for the teachings of the Holy Spirit.

God did tell us not to cast our Pearls before swine.

That sounds just like the eternal security and osas crowds as well in how they twist scriptures around to say what they don't !!!

 

[phil36]

Hi viligant warrior,

That was an interesting post.

Well, Baptists are protestants. they were part of that broad protesting movement!! They are also catholic, as in. belonging to the universal church (as the old creed says, (not to be confused with roman catholic)). Just as a side note - I don't think you will find many self respecting Baptists agreeing with your equation to Montanists and the likes?????

Baptist's as what we would call them today sprang from the Puritans and not the anabaptist (although, some Baptist may think their denominational lineage is from the menonites etc, usually by general baptists not particular).

A goof lace for you to start would be 'The London Baptist confession of Faith 1689' this has been widely adapted particularly in the USA.

 

[wattie]

I've never heard anyone claiming there is no universal Body of Christ. I don't understand that one.
I've never even heard unbelievers claim that----since the One New Man is beyond their comprehension
being unspiritual

Okay well, the American Baptist association and the Baptist missionary alliance are filled with many many churches that teach membership at salvation is to the family of God and then member to a body of Christ is joining a local church. Antioch church separate and independent of Phillipi church. Church of Corinth separate and independent from the church at Thessalonica etc. But all mostly helping each other. Each church a body of Christ. Like 'the bar' - that isn't one universal bar but is standing for a local, visible bar. The difference between church and bar being church is no building, but a local congregation of believers in Jesus covenanted to carry out the great commandment and commission

 

[wattie]

Hi viligant warrior,

That was an interesting post.

Well, Baptists are protestants. they were part of that broad protesting movement!! They are also catholic, as in. belonging to the universal church (as the old creed says, (not to be confused with roman catholic)). Just as a side note - I don't think you will find many self respecting Baptists agreeing with your equation to Montanists and the likes?????

Baptist's as what we would call them today sprang from the Puritans and not the anabaptist (although, some Baptist may think their denominational lineage is from the menonites etc, usually by general baptists not particular).

A goof lace for you to start would be 'The London Baptist confession of Faith 1689' this has been widely adapted particularly in the USA.

Here is the thing, there are now and have been since the start of Christian churches the belief that their is no universal church. Like I just posted- belief that the body of Christ is a local body of believers. Membership at salvation being to the family of God and not to a body of Christ yet.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Well, Baptists are protestants. they were part of that broad protesting movement!!

Nope. Not at all. They simply practiced their faith and wished to be able to do so without persecution. But both the Protestant and Catholic movements severely persecuted them, so if they were "reformed," they were being persecuted by their own brothers? Not at all. Reformed hated the immersion requirement of the Baptists, and that Baptists re-baptized those leaving either the Protestant or Catholic churches. As I detailed accurately in my post, which you have read, else you wouldn't have said it was "interesting."

They are also catholic, as in. belonging to the universal church (as the old creed says, (not to be confused with roman catholic)). Just as a side note - I don't think you will find many self respecting Baptists agreeing with your equation to Montanists and the likes?????

I didn't equate them to those groups. I simply used their documented existence as proof there was practice of true faith aside from the gradual drift away from it by "Mother Church."

Baptist's as what we would call them today sprang from the Puritans and not the anabaptist (although, some Baptist may think their denominational lineage is from the menonites etc, usually by general baptists not particular).

That's not accurate, and simply a repetition of "old wisdom" which doesn't hold up to historical scrutiny. Just as Cardinal Hosius stated in his 14th century writing, Baptists were known for centuries before either of those movements, or the Protestants.

A goof lace for you to start would be 'The London Baptist confession of Faith 1689' this has been widely adapted particularly in the USA.

I think not. As I said, Baptists traditionally hold to no creeds or dogmas, but the simple word of God. The London Confession reveals the true nature of those behind its adoption as being of the Reformed Movement/The Reformation. And as I said, Baptists predate that movement. What the Confession means is that the Reformed Movement abrogated the Baptist name, not that the Baptists were any way, shape, or form Protestant.

 

[Budman]

A goof lace for you to start...

I know that was a typo, but it really cracked me up!

 

[Galahad]

These threads are absolutely ridiculous. Protestant. Baptist. Calvinist. Non denominational... Does Jesus have a label next to Him? What ever happened to just being called a follower of Christ?

Out of the park!

"Whatever happened to just being called a follower of Christ?" Shortly after people had gotten involved with the it, it was no longer about Christ. People use/d Christianity for personal gain.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Actually I am a True Christian, a Son of God!

I am not a Catholic, I am not a Protestant, I am not a Baptist!

I AM A SON OF GOD!

Galatians 3:26
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[Yet]

Been in not a few baptist churches and I still see everyone dressed prim and proper facing one direction, toward a titled man who pulls tithes and doesn't work. Not bible my friend.

 

[MikeHenderson]

In the early days of the Church people gathered at peoples home all sitting around the Disciples.

The dressing up, facing front, a titled person who doesn't work is what the Catholic Church put into place, not God.

 

[mwc68]

In the early days of the Church people gathered at peoples home all sitting around the Disciples.

The dressing up, facing front, a titled person who doesn't work is what the Catholic Church put into place, not God.

You don't think that as the numbers were being added, bigger places of worship were desperately needed, and order to the assembly? Should we be as the pentacostals and run amok gibbering?

 

[mwc68]

In the early days of the Church people gathered at peoples home all sitting around the Disciples.

The dressing up, facing front, a titled person who doesn't work is what the Catholic Church put into place, not God.

Mr. Henderson, would you like to invite my WHOLE parish of poor, unsaved Catholics to YOUR house for worship and show us how Worship belongs only in a person's house? (Please be ready to cook! We get real hungry)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You don't think that as the numbers were being added, bigger places of worship were desperately needed, and order to the assembly? Should we be as the pentacostals and run amok gibbering?

Nah, Because in the nt, they met in small groups. and a bunch of the small groups made up the assembly of the city.

Worshiping in some temple (cathedral) was a pagan ritual.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mr. Henderson, would you like to invite my WHOLE parish of poor, unsaved Catholics to YOUR house for worship and show us how Worship belongs only in a person's house? (Please be ready to cook! We get real hungry)

if he did, I pray you would not be like those in the NT who got there early and ate all the food, and got drunk on the wine, and had to be chastened for doing so.

 

[mwc68]

Oh, Mr. Henderson, we have 600 families and we get thirsty to (you know since we have no prohibition on alcohol, you know what that meanns). This will be great! All us crammed into your home to hear how wrong we are! I'm so glad you are here to give us the model for worship! We'll provide the music!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh, Mr. Henderson, we have 600 families and we get thirsty to (you know since we have no prohibition on alcohol, you know what that meanns). This will be great! All us crammed into your home to hear how wrong we are! I'm so glad you are here to give us the model for worship!

dude your mocking attitude is childish.

Do you have anything to add? or do you just like going around mocking people?

it says your 47, maybe one day you will act it? Or did you lie about your age?