Woman position ( 1 Corinthians 14:34-37)

[MikkoAinasoja]

34. let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law. 35. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church. 36. What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone? 37. If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 14:34-37)

So like our dear brother Paulos writes here, that it is a commandment of the Lord Yeshua, that women's position should be as a listener, in a church.

God has made woman form men, and this should be the order also in our time.

Humility this takes to woman, but there is nothing wrong about humility, even though this world time, seems to try to lead us understand differently.

It is a vital doctrine and everyone should keep it.



The word of exhortation: In the Lord Messiah Yešua

 

[jb]

34. let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law. 35. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church. 36. What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone? 37. If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 14:34-37)

So like our dear brother Paulos writes here, that it is a commandment of the Lord Yeshua, that women's position should be as a listener, in a church.

God has made woman form men, and this should be the order also in our time.

Humility this takes to woman, but there is nothing wrong about humility, even though this world time, seems to try to lead us understand differently.

It is a vital doctrine and everyone should keep it.



The word of exhortation: In the Lord Messiah Yešua

Get a life you male chauvinist!

 

[p_rehbein]

Then, of course, one must deal with this.............

Acts 18:18 .) And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
19 .) And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.
20 .) When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;
21 .) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
22 .) And when he had landed at Caesarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch.
23 .) And after he had spent some time there, he departed, and went over all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening all the disciples.
24 .) And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 .) This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 .) And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

27 .) And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
28 .) For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

 

[oldhermit]

Then, of course, one must deal with this.............

Acts 18:18 .) And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
19 .) And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.
20 .) When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;
21 .) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
22 .) And when he had landed at Caesarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch.
23 .) And after he had spent some time there, he departed, and went over all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening all the disciples.
24 .) And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 .) This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 .) And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

27 .) And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
28 .) For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

How do you feel Acts 18 conflicts with 1 Corinthians 14:34-37?

 

[p_rehbein]

How do you feel Acts 18 conflicts with 1 Corinthians 14:34-37?

In one way it surely must. For in the home of Priscilla and Aquila was the church they Pastored. Most congregations in those days met in the homes of some member of the congregation. As Priscilla ALSO instructed and taught Apollos, the conflict is obvious.

 

[p_rehbein]

[h=1]Priscilla and Aquila[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Priscilla /prɨˈsɪlə/ and Aquila /ˈækwɨlə/ were a first century Christian missionary married couple described in the New Testament and traditionally listed among the Seventy Disciples. They lived, worked, and traveled with the Apostle Paul, who described them as his "fellow workers in Christ Jesus".[SUP][Rom. 16:3 NASB][/SUP][SUP][1][/SUP] Priscilla and Aquila are described in the New Testament as providing a presence that strengthened the early Christian churches. Paul was generous in his recognition and acknowledgment of his indebtedness to them.[SUP][Rom. 16:3-4][/SUP] Together, they are credited with instructing Apollos, a major evangelist of the first century, and "[explaining] to him the way of God more accurately".[SUP][Acts 18:26][/SUP] While it is never stated, it has been conjectured, in light of her apparent prominence, that Priscilla held the office of teacher.[SUP][2][/SUP] She is thought by some to be the anonymous author of the Epistle to the Hebrews.[SUP][3][/SUP]


[h=2]New Testament references[edit][/h]They are mentioned seven times in four different books of the New Testament. They are always named as a couple and never individually. Of those seven references, Priscilla's name is mentioned first five times (as shown in italics in the list below), which is conspicuously unusual for such a male-dominant society.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] Throughout Scripture, the man is usually mentioned first; e.g., Adam and Eve, Ananias and Sapphira, making the four appearances of Priscilla's name first a notable exception.[SUP][5][/SUP]

1. Acts 18:2-3: There he (Paul) met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed and worked with them.
2. Acts 18:18: Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila.
3. Acts 18:19: They arrived at Ephesus, where Paul left Priscilla and Aquila. He himself went into the synagogue and reasoned with the Jews.
4. Acts 18:26: He (Apollos) began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more adequately (ἀκριβέστερον).
5. Romans 16:3-4: Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.
6. 1 Corinthians 16:19: The churches in the province of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Priscilla greet you warmly in the Lord, and so does the church that meets at their house.
7. 2 Timothy 4:19: Greet Priscilla and Aquila and the household of Onesiphorus.

[h=3]Priscilla and Aquila - Wikipedia, the free...[/h]

 

[MarcR]

In 1Tim chapters 2 and 3, Titus Chapter1, and 1Cor 14:34; Paul teaches that women should be excluded from preaching teaching and governing roles in the church.

Since these are the only three occurrences of this teaching; it seems legitimate to question whether Paul was addressing a local problem which was common to Crete, Corinth, and Ephesus; or if he were teaching a general principle.

I do not see Scriptural or historical evidence that Paul was addressing a local issue.


I believe in the Scriptural premise that God prefers male leadership in the pastorate, the pulpit, and the church governing board.

It is evident that this does NOT mean that God can't use a woman in these roles; because He in fact does.

It is evident that there are women in the pastorate whose church members show clear evidence of salvation and Spiritual growth under her leadership.

This, IMO, does NOT negate the principle; however, if God is not pleased with them acting in their roles; it is His responsibility, not mine, to call it to their attention----and He is certainly able to do so.

 

[oldhermit]

In one way it surely must. For in the home of Priscilla and Aquila was the church they Pastored. Most congregations in those days met in the homes of some member of the congregation. As Priscilla ALSO instructed and taught Apollos, the conflict is obvious.

You are assuming that because the Church met in their home they were both pastors. This is an unwarranted assumption you cannot get from the text. The fact that the were both instrumental in teaching Apollos has absolutely nothing to do with 1Cor 14. That scenario is within the public assembly of the Church and that is as far as the prohibition is meant to extend.

 

[p_rehbein]

You are assuming that because the Church met in their home they were both pastors. This is an unwarranted assumption you cannot get from the text. The fact that the were both instrumental in teaching Apollos has absolutely nothing to do with 1Cor 14. That scenario is within the public assembly of the Church and that is as far as the prohibition is meant to extend.

And.............read my next comment...........with Scriptures given........Pastor or Teacher, they BOTH instructed Apollos which is in conflict with what Paul told the congregation at Corinth. And, as Paul himself, lived with, traveled with, and depended on both of them in his ministry, he was surely aware of Priscilla's involvement in the ministry.

 

[oldhermit]

And.............read my next comment...........with Scriptures given........Pastor or Teacher, they BOTH instructed Apollos which is in conflict with what Paul told the congregation at Corinth. And, as Paul himself, lived with, traveled with, and depended on both of them in his ministry, he was surely aware of Priscilla's involvement in the ministry.

There is nothing with a woman teaching a man the gospel in a one-on-one setting. This does not make her a preacher. The prohibition of 1 Cor 14 is limited the the public assembly of the Church. This is where she is commanded to remain silent.

 

[phil112]

And.............read my next comment...........with Scriptures given........Pastor or Teacher, they BOTH instructed Apollos which is in conflict with what Paul told the congregation at Corinth. And, as Paul himself, lived with, traveled with, and depended on both of them in his ministry, he was surely aware of Priscilla's involvement in the ministry.

I must agree with hermit. Paul was pointedly speaking about church as an assembly and the event you reference with Priscilla was clearly not an assembly. You must recognize there is a difference.

 

[Dude653]

When Paul wrote these letters, he was specifically addressing the churches of Corinth and Ephesus. They were trying to start a church where the women were dominant. The women were being disruptive in charge so Paul was telling them how to keep the church orderly. So in a sense you are forming a doctor in from someone else's mail. Some people fail to realize that there are things in the Bible that are addressing specific individuals in specific circumstances

 

[p_rehbein]

There is nothing with a woman teaching a man the gospel in a one-on-one setting. This does not make her a preacher. The prohibition of 1 Cor 14 is limited the the public assembly of the Church. This is where she is commanded to remain silent.

Again, read Chapter 16..........the church met in their house. There is no Scriptural evidence to state that Priscilla kept silence during these meetings. One must assume based on their own ideology to believe so. As for the "one on one" setting, this is a cop out..........given that Paul stated he did not allow women to "teach." He did not ever include the "disclaimer" except in a one on one setting, or if her husband is present.

The assumptions being made are being made to support a long held bias of those who do not wish women to have authority in speaking the Word of God, or Pastoring/Teaching His church. Simple reading of Scripture concerning Priscilla shows that Paul was specifically addressing a critical issue within the church of Corinth.

 

[p_rehbein]

I must agree with hermit. Paul was pointedly speaking about church as an assembly and the event you reference with Priscilla was clearly not an assembly. You must recognize there is a difference.

1 Timothy 2:12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians 16:19) The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

 

[oldhermit]

When Paul wrote these letters, he was specifically addressing the churches of Corinth and Ephesus. They were trying to start a church where the women were dominant. The women were being disruptive in charge so Paul was telling them how to keep the church orderly. So in a sense you are forming a doctor in from someone else's mail. Some people fail to realize that there are things in the Bible that are addressing specific individuals in specific circumstances

This is not a cultural issue, this is a revealed principle of conduct.

 

[p_rehbein]

Concerning Corinth at that time.

Article found here:

[h=3]Problems In the Church At Corinth - Living Bible...[/h]

 

[Dude653]

In our church, we like to tape woman's mouth and make them sit in the lobby.. We don't even give them chairs. Those are for the men. Then after the service is over we make them get in the kitchen and make sandwiches.

 

[p_rehbein]

This is not a cultural issue, this is a revealed principle of conduct.

That is your opinion, based on your understanding of Scripture, and that is your right. Just as it is my right to my understanding of Scripture. Until I get the Memo that specifically appoints someone here to be the Final Authority on all things Scriptural, I will put my faith in the understanding given me by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.

 

[oldhermit]

Again, read Chapter 16..........the church met in their house. There is no Scriptural evidence to state that Priscilla kept silence during these meetings. One must assume based on their own ideology to believe so. As for the "one on one" setting, this is a cop out..........given that Paul stated he did not allow women to "teach." He did not ever include the "disclaimer" except in a one on one setting, or if her husband is present.

The assumptions being made are being made to support a long held bias of those who do not wish women to have authority in speaking the Word of God, or Pastoring/Teaching His church. Simple reading of Scripture concerning Priscilla shows that Paul was specifically addressing a critical issue within the church of Corinth.

You are making assumptions you have no right to make about Priscilla's participation when the Church assembled in their home. You forget that these were very close friends of Paul.and trying to make a case based on an assumption. Do you believe they would openly defy the standard of conduct that Paul had laid down by inspiration? As far as the 'disclaimer' go back and read that entire text and you cannot keep from seeing the nature of the limitation. But, I am sure you will not do that so I will probably have to do it for you. Not allowing women to assume the role of men in the assembly is not a bias, it is a commandment based on a revealed principle.

 

[Budman]

In our church, we like to tape woman's mouth and make them sit in the lobby.. We don't even give them chairs. Those are for the men. Then after the service is over we make them get in the kitchen and make sandwiches.