Woman position ( 1 Corinthians 14:34-37)

p_rehbein · Jul 19, 2015

There are those who discount the passages in 1 and 2 Corinthians and 1 and 2 Timothy as being relevant to today's Church. So I guess that has to be decided before this discussion ever has a chance to be resolved.

Wattie said: ……….
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Some questions:
In James: faith without works is dead- what faith is James referring to? It is not eternal salvation being discussed.

Corinthians: remember this is addressed to a local body, a church.

Revelation: there are different judgements for unsaved and saved. Saved- receive rewards in heaven. Some saved are unfaithful. They get less reward. But are in heaven.

You have these verses without context

I include 1 and 2 Timothy simply because of what is stated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 4:17) For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

If their assertion is true, then the limitations placed on women in these Epistles do not apply to the Church today.

oldhermit · Jul 19, 2015

KennethC said:

But not in the OT temple nor in the Church.

BarlyGurl · Jul 19, 2015

[ Now, the Bible when it was written was in a time of patriarchal culture, and today that culture still exists but it is not all throughout in every nation.

Here is a foundational truth which you have noticed... and cast aside in favor of culture and custom.
GOD is the founded mankind on a PATRIARCHAL ORDER of authority.... HE HASN'T CHANGED HIS DESIGN... people fail to submit.

Elin · Jul 19, 2015

Kaycie said:

Then she is free to ask whomever she sees fit.

DisciplePAG · Jul 19, 2015

God desires obedience. Often times i wonder what the body of Christ would look like if we all placed our pride aside, and individually tried our hardest to obey God, adhering to Paul's instructuctions as far as "individual role obedience" is concerned??

What if the people of God would go above and beyond what the bible teaches or requires in regard to obedience, and erring on the side of caution, be overly cautious and avoid all possibility of disobeying church teaching? Women remaining wholly silent within the church walls, and faithfully preaching and teaching to other women and children OUTSIDE of the church only, praying and prophesying with heads covered, what would the harm be? Are we not, as a body, more lost than the Corinthians?? After all, we have been devoid of God appointed Apostleship for 1900+ years now?.....what if men loved their wives, with a Godly love, and spoke gently, and were sober and vigilant and HUMBLE? Would not there wives be more apt to submit?? What if men refused to speak tongues without interpretation, wholly giving themselves to order, wholly submitting? What if prophecy was given and judged according to scriptural commandment? What if we didnt get offended when our sin was revealed? What if we quit hiding sins and started confessing them one to another?

What kind of pentecostal experience would the Lord reward such a wise group with? What outpouring of the Holy Spirit would they witness manifest?? What prophecy would the Lord reveal? Would not the Lord do away with all confusion? Would he not give us the gift we seek, the plain truth about how HIS BODY is to conduct business??

What man of God would the Lord choose in whom to entrust the last days MUCH NEEDED wisdom? Who would the latter rain then fall on brothers and sisters??

All in the name of Godly obedience and submission to Jesus name.

Can we even find ONE body, ONE congregation of professing believers to try this??? Of all the professing wise men here, have none of you the power to teach this to your flock?

Submit yourselves therefore to the Lord, and the devil will flee from you. Perhaps this pertains to more than just single persons......JS

DisciplePAG · Jul 19, 2015

Elin said:

If she has no husband, i would suggest referring to scripture which teaches that her mother would be her teacher, after all, it is a womans job to teach the other women to be good keepers at home, chaste, vigilant, etc?

Her mother would then ask her father.

As far as being scrupulously obedient to scripture, thats how i would advise members to conduct themselves.

MiaH · Jul 19, 2015

Nothing more but a crass thread.

VioletReigns · Jul 19, 2015

MikkoAinasoja said:

let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

God has made woman form men, and this should be the order also in our time.

Humility this takes to woman, but there is nothing wrong about humility, even though this world time, seems to try to lead us understand differently.

It is a vital doctrine and everyone should keep it.

DisciplePAG · Jul 19, 2015

MiaH said:

What is crass about obedience?

convallaria · Jul 19, 2015

[FONT=&quot]It all seems very logical and simple to me! [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When Galatians 3:28 says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” this means there has to be some other reason for Paul to say that the women must keep silence in the church…and I believe it is cultural, historical and specific.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Think about it. Do we learn from a man or a woman preaching? OR rather, are we hoping to hear from God through their words? It is weird to think we might filter a woman’s words through a kind of gender sieve, as though the women cannot speak as led by the Holy Spirit, but only the men...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Or do some think that there is an inferior, female kind of Holy Spirit that the women receive? Or worse, do some think that women do not have the Holy Spirit at all? That is outrageous, bordering on cultish.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If Paul is able to say (and he had to learn like the rest of us) that in Christ there is no male or female, that is what he meant. The men ought not to conveniently forget this verse because they want the spiritual domination. Being in Christ is not about domination, but about giving place to each other in the Lord, and humbling ourselves when we hear His voice through His servants, whosoever they may be.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The other thing that occurs to me is that this was the early church: there were no mature women of God in the assembly like we have now, because the church was in its infancy. The assemblies would be filled with all manner of people wanting to know about this awesome Jesus Who changes lives so radically. The all-male apostles hitherto had received the message which they had to make sure was passed on in the best possible way, that is, in the power of the Holy Ghost.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2,000 years of world history passing shows that the church has survived through the protection of the Spirit of Christ through His obedient servants, and that the Gospel has gone out all this time in His power. Do you really think this is because of male domination: men preaching and teaching exclusively, and that women in Christ who have preached and taught through the centuries have had no effect?[/FONT]

DisciplePAG · Jul 19, 2015

VioletReigns said:

MikkoAinasoja said:

let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

God has made woman form men, and this should be the order also in our time.

Humility this takes to woman, but there is nothing wrong about humility, even though this world time, seems to try to lead us understand differently.

It is a vital doctrine and everyone should keep it.

WELL SAID, JEZEBEL.

Elin · Jul 19, 2015

DisciplePAG said:

Your advice has no basis in the NT.

The NT does not give to the mother, nor to any other man or woman, authority outside the assembly over an unmarried woman living independently.

Male authority applies only to the assembly and to marriage.

VioletReigns · Jul 19, 2015

DisciplePAG said:

And now that you have publicly revealed what demonic spirit you represent, I shall now place you on ignore.

Goodbye.

PennEd · Jul 19, 2015

VioletReigns said:

Peace to you dear sister. I believe the Lord has put on my heart to stay away from these who try and justify themselves with Jesus PLUS works, thereby not trusting in Jesus at all. Don't let these grieve your Spirit! Good on you for putting on ignore.

DisciplePAG · Jul 19, 2015

Elin said:

But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

....once again Elin, you need to please read your bible....and quit questioning what the men of God do teach.

VioletReigns · Jul 19, 2015

PennEd said:

Thank you, dear brother. I praise God for the mature godly men like you who God sends to protect and defend the women on this site. Gracious blessings to you in Jesus, PennEd!

Elin · Jul 19, 2015

DisciplePAG said:

But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Agreed. . .yes, women may teach other women at the assembly (Sunday school).

DisciplePAG · Jul 19, 2015

Elin said:

Please scripturally, i agree with you, so long as the sunday school building is NOT a part of the main church building, in which women myst remain silent. Actually this is the problem with modern church format- too much under one roof. Praise and Worship should be done in its own building, as well as "sunday school" for the children. This would make the way for women to be obedient to scripture (not to speak in church), all the while being able to exercise gifts, and praying.

BarlyGurl · Jul 19, 2015

DisciplePAG said:

Okay... now you have veered away from truth, in making the issue about talking AT ALL and buildings and roofs... I do recall Jesus rebuking for the suggestion children be removed from the assembly.

DisciplePAG · Jul 19, 2015

BarlyGurl said:

Uhh...no, there is NEVER an instance where children are "removed from the assembly"

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