End Times

Live4Him · Mar 28, 2009

Ok so I am new to this site. I was looking for something like this so I could gain and also share my beliefs as well without being critized. In my own belief I feel that we are entering the beginning of everything that is in Revelations. Known as the end times.

I do not want to upset anyone but I am not a judger and wouldnt ever judge anyone but does anyone have any opinnions on the president and government and whats all going on right now?

They want the one world government, new world order I believe is what they're calling it. Which is in the Bible and lots of crazy things they want to do as well. Did anyone hear about the force they are going to do with citizens??? I forget the words they used but they are going to make everyone under the age of 64 I believe serve some sort of military training (martial law)

here is what i think will happen or is possible.

We will get the one world governmt because its in the Bible so I know it will happen, They will fake or make a disaster here in America then claim we need martial law to protect us when in fact they are going to use it to control us.

There has been SEVERAL FEMA camps found in several states. Yet, noone will talk about what they are for.

I am not really scared, I know we arent suppose to be BUT then again I worry about my children. They are only babies.

Why I worry is because I believe (only my oppinion) we will be here for the end times and that if there is a rapture I dont think it will come until the 3 1/2 yr mark so we will be here through half the 7 yrs. if not the whole thing. But nobody knows only God.

Why I worry is because I get to thinking well maybe those camps are for us who will not take the mark of the beast and it will be a consentration camp like Hitler.

My babies will starve and wont understand why we cant feed them. I know our God is a loving God so whatever we indure is only for Him and If we do die for Christ then its only going to last about one second and right after that one second we'll be with God. So thats why I say im not afraid. Just worry a little when I think in detail all of whats going on in the news.

I have a great video from you tube I would like to share but maybe some of you will not like it. it is called the obama deception. talks about the shadow government and its pretty interesting.

If anyone has any comments please share

Missy · Mar 28, 2009

Enjoy today.

suaso · Mar 28, 2009

I never really get worried about all this End Times stuff. The world could end tomorrow, 20 years from now, 1000 years from now...it makes no differencer to me. My end could come tomorrow, 20 years from now, or it could have happened 5 years ago if it was God's will. It is more important, I believe, to worry about the end of our lives as individuals, to prepare our souls and consciences as if every day could be our last. Keep death always before your eyes. The devil has already been defeated through the cross of Our Lord, sin holds no power that grace cannot overcome. The first Christians thought that Christ was coming back very very soon, but he did't. We don't know when he will. I don't think we are supposed to know. If we knew, I think people would become lax, saying "oh, we have 30 years...I'll have some fun and repent later." Live today as if you were going to die and meet Christ tonight. That is my advice. The world will pass away, with all of its leaders, countries, empty promises, cruelty, and false hopes, but your soul is eternal and deserves top priority above all things.

Ancilla · Apr 6, 2009

A Christian friend of mine said "Ever noticed that every generation thinks they're living in the end times?"

It makes sense though. Remember the Black Death of the Middle Ages? I bet a lot of people were sure the Second Coming was right around the corner then.

I heard a speaker say "What if we're the early church?" And don't say "Don't be silly, the early church was 18 to 19 hundred years ago." He means that what if Jesus doesn't come back for another 80 thousand years or so and therefore 2009 is still considered soon after Jesus?

Well if that's the case, I hope we have some of these issues we're wrestling with figured out by then!!!

For what it's worth, I still think things are pretty early. If Noah was about 3000 BC (if that's wrong, please correct me) then it would make sense to me that God would have sent Jesus early rather than late. Like, if God looked at the timeline of human existance with creation of humans on one end and the second coming on the other end, where do you think He'd choose to send Jesus? Closer to creation or closer to the second coming?

On the other hand, I heard a stat (not a reliable one, mind you) that there are now more people on earth right now then there are in Heaven and Hell combined. So, one could also look at it in terms of when all the people existed and not just in terms of years, does that make sense?

Ancilla · Apr 6, 2009

suaso said:

That's the way I see it. And since I've seen eschatology used to justify things that normally would not be considered Biblical, I try to avoid it, and rather focus on the here and now.

suaso said:

Yeah, I was told that's why Jesus kept emphasizing that we do NOT know when he will return. That way we can't just sin and assume we can repent later. We don't know if there will always be a later. We have to live every day as if we could soon stand before God and be judged.

And furthermore, it really ticks me off when Christians think we can just pollute the earth thinking that Jesus will return and destroy the earth before we (or our decendents) have to face the consequences of our actions. That just ticks me off more than anything and gives non-Christians a good reason to think of us as dead weight.

kujo313 · Apr 6, 2009

I see the "end times" as like a sinking boat.
We, workers on the boat, need to save as many people as we can before the boat sinks. Even if it costs us our own lives.

When it comes to the parable of the two people working in the fields and one is taken while the other one is left, I have to ask you, "What are they doing in the fields?"

Working!

Let's get to work. As we see things coming to pass, it means that we have to keep working!

Josh · Apr 8, 2009

Just read MALACHI 4:5-6
REVELATION 10:7
ST LUKE 17:26-30

You will know the days we r living in and the promise of our day.
God bless you

KingdomGeneration · Apr 11, 2009

There's no need to be afraid. God gave us biblical prophecy not to install fear but instead to prepare us for that which is to come. While most here probably believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, I personally believe that it is best to teach and prepare spiritually for tribulation seeing as Christ himself did not come for the righteous but for the sinner.

KingdomGeneration · Apr 11, 2009

Ancilla said:

I agree. Scripture states that the world does not end after tribulation and Armegeddon. Mankind does not end either. Christ rules and reigns on earth for 1000 years and those who believe in Him in this life assumE the role of a royal priesthood and go on to serve Christ in the next life on earth just as it in heaven. How can He trust us to be good stewards in the next life if He can not trust us in the here and now?

faith4life · Apr 11, 2009

I found a these videos you might be interested in watching:

Obama Mocking the Bible and Religion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kh-xzerjE&feature=related

Obama Lying about his Church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yKJhB528

Gordon Brown at the G20 on Globalization:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbU_Po4sfnw

Obama's New "National Civilian Military. Everyone age 18-25 will be required to serve 3 months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtDSwyCPEsQ&feature=related

The house approves HR 1388 "The Take Act" has passed and will now go to the senate. Notice how wonderful they make it sound?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3hPC5YhsY4&feature=related

500,000+ FEMA Coffins ready:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2A3_fSLJU0

Ancilla · Apr 11, 2009

faith4life said:

Well I don't know what Obama has to do with the end times but I watched that top video. I don't know if the wrong link was posted by accident because when I clicked on it Obama was talking about why a democracy based on liberty is a good idea and a theocracy is a bad idea. Can anyone honestly study the theocracies of the past and think that would be a good idea for today. Imagine if you will that you had a theocracy run by Roman Catholics or Orthodox Jews. Would you really want to live in a country where people were forced to pray to Mary and where artificial contraception was illegal. Or imagine you lived in a country were it was illegal to drive your car on a Saturday or eat dairy and meat in the same meal. In both of those sencerios there would be those that would insist they were doing it for the good of everyone. I get that when one visualizes a theocracy in a positive way they visualize their own interpretation of their own religion ruling and everyone forced to conform to that, but that's not the way it looks to everyone else. New England was founded on religious freedom with no state church, where the government did not interfere with whatever religious practice one might want to follow, why would anyone want to change that? Oh, and I believe Obama is right about the Department of Defense and the Sermon on the Mount.

walt2000 · Jan 22, 2010

The interpretation of Revelations.
The Revelation of Christ to John
Open to all,no holds barred.with belate.
Only one Rule. That Christ made himself Rev.22/18 -20
walt2000(Acts 2:16-17) “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:”

Ask anybody,(that Say's he is a prophet of Rev.) if they can interpet Rev .10, and tell you what the seven thunders said to the church's, if they stay within Revelation, and don't use any other book , then they are worth listening too, if they can not then leave them alone, they are false prophets.They all commit the same sin ,of Revelation 22/18 and are condemned.To with the plagues of Rev.

1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

1:3 Blessed he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time at hand.

Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18-19 and underline it.

22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book. 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

This is not a End of Time Prediction. It is a true interp. of Revelation no time is Known

walt2000 · Jan 22, 2010

Revelations reveled.
I am sorry ,but this proves everybody wrong.
The left behind books, and movie, are a joke,of jokes, and an insult to man's intelligence.
This will I know make every body a bit mad .
I ,in thirty five +- 5 years , I have not seen anything that compares to this.

Just reading, and I seeing you guys ,what you guys are going through,reminds me what I went thought, trying different things, over and, over and, over again.
I 'm in the country here, and I didn't have a computer to read, with all the idea's out there.Well Every body here thought, I was nuts having a obsession ,over a number.that came into my head, to just count the books in the bible.The only bible I could find was a K.J.V.so that is what I used,And ,I had to get that off of some one else,Well when came to no.27 it came out to Daniel.in the old test.
So I read it over and over,read the whole bible at least three times, I came to Revelation It struck me, in the middle of the night, that he was telling me a story seven times to,JUST like DANIEL and his LITTLE SCROLL ,So being catholic,I thought I would study it Helen Keller style.I would see If any of the other people ,I mean religions, had the same interp.I didn' want to study the catholic prospective,I didn't want it to influence me in any way.Well they didn't make sense now,now I don't consider that I'm a Albert Einstein ,but it just didn't make sense.
I Studied with the seventh day, the baptists.The Mormons ,the ,well all the religions , needless to say I got helped out of some church,s, one minister even got fired ,lot of them changed the study topic.Some kissed me, and when the leader heard what I was saying,they got me out fast, and got out right mad, nobody made sense.

One book ,all different.They had seven raptures I had one.I made a real pest of my self ,now in Winnipeg there are a lot of Church's and I was to them all,drawing a blank every time.So I thought I would write a book of my own. By the way 27 is the trinity cubed.The number of ENLIGHTENMENT., there I did not want to blow it so fast, but, that's what I found it to be. 3x3x3=27 the trinity cubed.

That is the first Thunder The Seals.
one letter to EPHESUS .Six Thunders to Go.
and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. Jewish and Cristian promised protection.

The next two Thunders are together .

Thunder no.2 ,The trumpets(SMYRNA) letter no.two, Life ,2= union with Christwith emphases the
The witness's(3 rd. Thunder).(PERGAMAS) letter no.3, Forgiveness.3 trinity in Christ.
Thunder no.4 ,EARTH,THYTIRA ,promised power.Re.12-15.is shared with ,
Thunder no.5.,SARDIS promised clothed in White,Three angel messengers ,with emphases on THE WORD,Rev.14/6-15/5.Word Of God.
These are the only Thunders that are shared ,showing emphases on two sublets.
THUNDER 2 SMYRNA,UNION is shared with 3,PERGAMAS,Forgiveness,WITNESSES.
and THUNDER 4 ,EARTH,THYTIRA,power,is shared with 5.SARDIS,White cloths,PROPHESY

Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
Read and judge ,this with a clear mind.

INTRODUCTIONI like to keep my victory on the top Read from bottom up

VISION OF IMAGERY EXPLAINED Rev.1/20
CONQUERER OF DEATH-Rev.1/18
VISION OF CHRIST-Rev.1/13
VISION OF SEVEN CHURCHES-Rev.1/11
VISION ON PATMOS-Rev.1/9
VISION OF SECOND COMING-Rev.1/7

MESSAGE TO THE CHURCHES-Rev.1/4
REVELATIONS OF CHRIST TO JOHN-Rev.1/1

FIRST PAGE OF ELEVEN ELEMENTS-Rev.1/1-20

walt2000 · Jan 22, 2010

walt2000 · Jan 22, 2010

walt2000 · Jan 23, 2010

THE SEVEN THUNDERS----------plus Eighth Thunder
In the SEVEN SEALS,THUNDER No.1. we start with WHITE HORSE WINNER are Show en where the seals are .The horses are the four spirits that roam the earth.Then a Great Earth Quake (war).Look to Thunder No.7 same place same war.---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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In the THE SEVEN TRUMPETS 2 THUNDER, just AFTER the great war ,the witnesses happen , in brackets ,to emphasize that area, the scenario of events.The last great effort of Gods people (the sealed).---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The WITNESSES THUNDER ,TRINITY,are the sealed amplified.To show Gods people from the WHITE HORSE ( the First advent )to the(Second advent) SECOND WHITE HORSE-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The EARTH THUNDER are the events that happen on this earth .In relation with the THREE BEASTS THAT ROAM .
1.THE EARTH .The Beast that we made of the holy spirit.
2.THE SEA .Beast that comes out of the countries. nations,and tongues
3 THE THREE ANGEL MESSENGER.--------------------------

( The WORD THUNDER)

The WORD THUNDER is an amplification of Preaching to the world, and the Babylon that incurred.Then the winepress ,to separate the true Christians and Jews from the pulp. To get into Heaven
The MAN THUNDER THUNDER No.6 The seven vials that is poured on mankind ,The blessed, are spared ,and then Heaven.

The DIVINE THUNDER. The confusion that starts off with,with the whore ,that makes war on his Church,The separation of His people ,(that winepress that is the same winepress that is in the Word thunder) Then the WHITE HORSE WINNER ,in heaven.
Then things which John seen in Heaven
Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
At the out set you have to understand a little germatria.
When ever you see a number the number means a word.

Horizontally = The elements

1 = life
2 = No second death
3 = Forgiveness.
4 = Power.
5 = White clothed.
6 =Protection.
7 = Throne.

Vertically = Thunders
1 st. Thunder = Life,Thunder.
2 nd. Thunder = no second death,Thunder.
3 rd. Thunder = Forgiveness,Thunder.
4 th. Thunder = Power,Thunder.
5 th. Thunder = White ,Word,Thunder.
6 th. Thunder = Man,Protection,Thunder.
7 th. Thunder =Divine,Thunder.
There are two White Horses.First Seal Re.6/1 and ending with the second White Horse winner.Re.19/11
If you draw a line across and join them ,You get a Eight Thunder.Re.14/2
The Great Thunder

walt2000

walt2000 · Jan 23, 2010

Revelation reveled.revelations proved .Seven thunders to seven church's, It is that simple.

WELL, DOE'S ANY BODY HAVE ANY REASON WHY EVERY THING LINES UP IN THE CHART I GAVE YOU? all scripture is in order, and not placing ,And spacing them in order ,to make a point.
Find your question vertically, in the Seven Thunders,and then find your answer horizontally .
this is a gemartria no.--------------------------------------------------------no.27027
--
0 = a space no. that can be discarded
Remember the 0 is a spacer,and can be discarded,so what I get is as fallows
27072--------- 27 books in the bible come to revelations,
2+7- 0- 7+2
9- 0- 9 the spacer in gemartria can be removed so we get
9+9 then
18 then
9
In gemartria the number nine is,the number of Finality,,judgment,Fruit of the spirit, Divine completeness from the father

The two no.are basic to light and creation put the no.s together you get a palindrome-27072
and we have the lowest number evenly divisible by each other.well in gemartria of the old test the number 27 is the number of light.
The Hebrew word for light adds p to 207 and multiplies to 12 since zeros are merely place holders it can be written in gemartria as 27.The same Hebrew word is sometimes translated Sun.The same Hebrew meaning to illuminate ,
now 72 =
New test word for seeds from Greek meaning ,that from life springs ,it bas the no.720 ,The title ,Lord God in Heaven also adds up to 72
he is from that life springs.

So Christ is the -- 27=light of the world
and.72=lord god in heaven
light = lord god in heaven prophesy,also= revelations.
The making of the chart you may just as well just print them as given.It is a sequential use, of scripture.
As for its use .The vertical lines tell the events ,the horizontal lines explain the event.
If you have a particular question ?Find out where it is vertically on the chart then read the answer horizontally.Thunders 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
There are seven stories told from seven vantage points .it is a seven dimensional look in to the future of one event ,the church on earth.and it's redemption in heaven,The more you look at it the more you will see.Look at it All Then read my posts it explains each of the vertical lines.
then Goggle
walt2000 revelations
That will explain the interior parts of the charts,There is no sense repeating every thing when it is all in front of you.
There is no Bible code!!
Instead of 35 years studying Revelations it would have been more productive focusing on the Gospels. EVERYTHING we need to know is in the Gospels. If there were no other books in the NT ,apart from the Gospels it would not matter because the fullness of truth is in the 4 Gospels.
probably in retrospect, it would be easier, every thing is in the the gospels,and every thing should be easier, but revelations was, hidden for a reason,hidden, so not every body would understand, .I think It was put there so every body will not be able to know ,Just the sealed of GOD, The people, the people that have the seal of GOD in their foreheads the one's that he wanted to under stand.The people that want to put the time into it, not all people were meant to under stand.That's why there are so many interp. of it.
People usually study some one else's opinion and don't want to study,They have a 15 minute attention span,GOD WANTS you to form your own.

When you go to a study group ,the leader there, has about a week or two looking at a set agenda, their not studying for them self's, their studying another person's work .There is a special blessing for those that work it out.For them self's

Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
Look up these no.'s in scripture.
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The Significance of Numbers in Scripture.htm

I know I am bucking the traces here ,How come some thing this simple is so hard to see.walt2000

joint-heir · Jan 23, 2010

I know I am bucking the traces here ,How come some thing this simple is so hard to see.walt2000

IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ANY TRUE BELIEVER TO SEE THE POINT YOU ARE MAKING
BECAUSE
THIS IS YOUR OPINION ONLY
AND NOT A REVELATION FROM GOD AS YOU CLAIM

YOU ARE AN OLD MAN
THAT IN MOST CASES
NO ONE WOULD EVER QUESTION YOU

BUT I DO ENJOY YOUR CHARTS
I SEE YOU PUT ALOT OF WORK AND EFFORT TO STATE YOUR CLAIM
BUT
I SEE INACCURACIES IN THEM

SO
I AM TAKING YOUR CHARTS AND ILL GO THEM THOROUGHLY
AND ILL INPUT THE ACCURATE MEANING TO JUST SOME OF YOUR POINTS YOUR CLAIMING
NOT ALL IS WRONG JUST A FEW
BUT EVEN IN THAT
I AM IMPRESSED TO THE EXTENT OF THE WORK AND YOUR EFFORT
YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS

GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER

charisenexcelcis · Jan 23, 2010

"In the last days mockers will come with mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, 'Where is the promise of His coming? for sine the fathers fell aslepp, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.'" I wonder how we maintain expectation generation after generation without the believers and society becoming hardened to the constant message of His return.

walt2000 · Jan 23, 2010

Re.1-3 PROMISES things john seen
Promise Seven church of laodicea------------------ Re.3/4 A THRONE
Promise six church of Philadelphia-------------- Re.3/7 PROTECTION
Promise five church of Sardis------------ Re.3/1 CLOTHED IN WHITE
Promise four church of Thyatira------------------------- Re.2/18 POWER
Promise three church of Pergamas--------- Re.2/12 FORGIVENESS
Promise two church of Smyrna--------- Re.2/8 NO SECOND DEATH
Promise one church of Ephesus------ Re.2/1 LIFE EVER LASTING

I LIKE MY REWARD TO BE ON TOP
so I put my victory at the top. REMEMBER LOOK AT THE NUMERICS of the thing.
7 THRONE
6 MAN
5 WORD
4 EARTH
3 UNITY IN THE TRINITY
2 DIVINE PROTECTION
1 ONENESS,IN THE LIGHT
HAY GUYS WE WINNERS SEVEN TIMES A WINNER
this is a prologue to the seven thunders,then we win seven more times, then in the epilogue we win again.
Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
THUNDER No.1 Re.6-8/3 Like I said I like to keep my Victory at the top
The LAMB is able to open the SEALS, WHITE HORSE.

SEAL No. 7 silence in heaven.Christ wins

The sealed Re.7/17 the sealed ones, in their foreheads.

SEAL No.6 The no. of MAN
EARTH QUAKE look at the 6 th. trumpet,6 th.Promise
Re.6/12 look at the 6 th.Vial

SEAL No.5 The no. of the WORD
SOULS ARE GIVEN look at the 5 th.trumpet
WHITE ROBES look at the 5 th. Pomises
Re.6/9 look at the 5 th.Vial

SEAL No.4 The no. of the EARTH
PALE look at the 4 th. trumpet
HORSE look at the 4 th. Promise
Re.6/7 look at the 4 th.Vial

SEAL No.3 The no. of the WITNESSES
BLACK Look at the 3 rd.trumpet
HORSE Look at the 3 rd. Promise
Re.6/5 Look at the 3 rd.Vial

SEAL No 2 the no. of DIFFERENCE
RED look at the 2 nd. trumpet
HORSE look at the 2 nd. Promise
Re.6/3 look at the 2 nd. Vial

SEAL No.1 the no. of the LIGHT CHRIST
WHITE look at the 1 st. trumpet WITH A
HORSE look at the 1 st. Promise CROWN
Re.6/1 look at the 1 st. Vial SACRIFICE

Look up Seal no.3 Do not hurt the OIL & THE WINE .
See what significance the oil and the wine, has to the catholic mass.
SEVEN TIMES A WINNER
walt2000

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