Woman position ( 1 Corinthians 14:34-37)

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DisciplePAG

DisciplePAG

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BarlyGurl said:
Okay... now you have veered away from truth, in making the issue about talking AT ALL and buildings and roofs... I do recall Jesus rebuking for the suggestion children be removed from the assembly.
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The suggestions above, about the different buildings, is a potential answer to the issue of biblical obedience- how can women pray and prophesy at "church"- they cannot, under a modern church format because the church has everything under one roof- if, however, one were to break the meetings into sections and house them in different buildings, then the main CHURCH building would be used for edification and exhortation for the congregation all the while having separate building for other needs, ie....music, womens room, childrens teaching (by women) etc.

Take the temple for example- was it not broken into areas where certain functions did happen, and others where women were not allowed/forbidden, etc?

Its really just a thought process ive been dwelling on- how to format the church building to fit obedient worship standards.
 
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The TEMPLE was the fore-shadowing to salvation thru Christ. The buildings we refer to as churches now (corporate religion) have no biblical basis... so I am suggesting to you your thought process is off target. WE, as in our body, is the NEW TEMPLE and where ever 2 or more are gathered in His name... constitutes a church.

I wholly agree the order and authority structure practiced in the lives of believers requires repentance and in so doing would loose power we have neither seen nor imagine.
 
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Kaycie said:
Yes, a woman should learn in submission, and ask her husband questions when she gets home. But what if you don't have a husband?
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Then find a man in the congregation who has a reputation for being apt to teach and ask him after the assembly is dismissed.
 
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DisciplePAG said:
God desires obedience. Often times i wonder what the body of Christ would look like if we all placed our pride aside, and individually tried our hardest to obey God, adhering to Paul's instructuctions as far as "individual role obedience" is concerned??

What if the people of God would go above and beyond what the bible teaches or requires in regard to obedience, and erring on the side of caution, be overly cautious and avoid all possibility of disobeying church teaching? Women remaining wholly silent within the church walls, and faithfully preaching and teaching to other women and children OUTSIDE of the church only, praying and prophesying with heads covered, what would the harm be? Are we not, as a body, more lost than the Corinthians?? After all, we have been devoid of God appointed Apostleship for 1900+ years now?.....what if men loved their wives, with a Godly love, and spoke gently, and were sober and vigilant and HUMBLE? Would not there wives be more apt to submit?? What if men refused to speak tongues without interpretation, wholly giving themselves to order, wholly submitting? What if prophecy was given and judged according to scriptural commandment? What if we didnt get offended when our sin was revealed? What if we quit hiding sins and started confessing them one to another?

What kind of pentecostal experience would the Lord reward such a wise group with? What outpouring of the Holy Spirit would they witness manifest?? What prophecy would the Lord reveal? Would not the Lord do away with all confusion? Would he not give us the gift we seek, the plain truth about how HIS BODY is to conduct business??

What man of God would the Lord choose in whom to entrust the last days MUCH NEEDED wisdom? Who would the latter rain then fall on brothers and sisters??

All in the name of Godly obedience and submission to Jesus name.

Can we even find ONE body, ONE congregation of professing believers to try this??? Of all the professing wise men here, have none of you the power to teach this to your flock?

Submit yourselves therefore to the Lord, and the devil will flee from you. Perhaps this pertains to more than just single persons......JS
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I vote for you to start by being the change you want to see. . .
 
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DisciplePAG said:
Please scripturally, i agree with you, so long as the sunday school building is NOT a part of the main church building, in which women myst remain silent. Actually this is the problem with modern church format- too much under one roof. Praise and Worship should be done in its own building, as well as "sunday school" for the children. This would make the way for women to be obedient to scripture (not to speak in church), all the while being able to exercise gifts, and praying.
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Staggering wisdom. . .
 
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DisciplePAG said:
The suggestions above, about the different buildings, is a potential answer to the issue of biblical obedience- how can women pray and prophesy at "church"- they cannot, under a modern church format because the church has everything under one roof- if, however, one were to break the meetings into sections and house them in different buildings, then the main CHURCH building would be used for edification and exhortation for the congregation all the while having separate building for other needs, ie....music, womens room, childrens teaching (by women) etc.

Take the temple for example- was it not broken into areas where certain functions did happen, and others where women were not allowed/forbidden, etc?

Its really just a thought process ive been dwelling on- how to format the church building to fit obedient worship standards.
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How blessed we are to have you working on this thorny Biblical problem for us. . .
 
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BarlyGurl said:
I perceive a very good reason for this admonishment to behavior...
This is the early church and it seems to harmonize with other "role" instructions. Disciples are learning, wives are to RESPECT their husbands and be in subjection to their leadership.... a woman who is asking questions in church is "speaking OVER" the boundary of her husband in an assembly. Now men reading this... has your wife ever spoke outside your boundary in a public place in anything? Did you like it? Did the ensuing embarrassment feel good? is this scenario a one which conveys respect to observers?
I think it is the same issue... specifically targeted to behavior in an assembly for that time and probably a good behavior admonishment for small group bible study gatherings too. Has anyone ever been to a small group where the husband sits an contributes nothing as his wife talks and talks and talks?
Women are prone to that... across the board... little verse in Genesis reveals that... know which one?
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Actually, women aren't "prone to that." Studies have shown that men and women engage in about the same about of words usage per day (about 16k words). Studies have also shown that men are more likely to speak out in larger groups than women are.

Additionally, your verses addressed married women. Is it therefore okay for a single woman to have leadership as this won't embarrass or hurt the ego of her non-existant husband?
 
DisciplePAG

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MarcR said:
Then find a man in the congregation who has a reputation for being apt to teach and ask him after the assembly is dismissed.
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Asking her mother would be out of the question? i see nothing wrong with your teaching here, but i feel answers by younger women should be adressed at home. Circumventing the men of the home is a form of usurping, IMO.
 
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oldhermit said:
Truth is in the grammatical structure of the biblical text, not in the history. History is not the inspired standard.

Can you not see the difference between those who were appointed to the office of an apostle by the Lord and those whom the Church ἐξαποστέλλω. Mark, Luke, Barnabas, Silvanius, and Timothy, were not appointed by the Lord to the office of an apostle as were the twelve along with James and Paul. They were those sent out by the Church for specific purposes. This is an entirely different thing.
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Amazing..... you're saying after Jesus left He could no longer call anyone to an office, that only the church could appoint these "lesser apostles", which means they're not the same kind?

What about all the ministers today? Aren't any of them directly "called of God"?

I wasn't "appointed". I was called. Which brings me to another question: Aren't all christians "called" by the Head of the church?

Since you ask for scriptural evidence, I expect you to give biblical evidence for the differences in these "apostles". Good luck, for there aren't any. Regardless of what your stance on this subject is, you should practice what you expect from others.
 
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The word for husband here is ἄνδρας - men. This is also sometimes translated as husband as in 1Cr 14:35. Yet, the intent of the word seems to be "her men" i.e the men within her household whether it be a father, brother, or husband but at the same time her submission is to be to all the men in the body within the established context.
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LOL! Really? So a woman is subject to her brothers, uncles, cousins, pastor's sons..... how long should we make this list? And where's the guidelines in Scripture that state how "submissive" she should be? I ask that cuz I see no "established context" posted.

Is this why Eli's sons got to do what they did? This not only sounds unbiblical to me..... it's downright creepy.
 
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I would like to point out WHAT I ALWAYS SEE in these "women, find yer place" threads.

First of all, there's these men who take on biblical authority, as if theirs is above question..... They say it is, therefore it is. At least that's what I seem to hear.

Secondly, women post on the same thread that are for this belief, while correcting & arguing with men & striving to put them in their biblical place.

Thirdly, the men who speak against women having authority put their "likes" on what these women say, even though they are committing the very sin they are proclaiming...... Ironic, isn't it?

Fourthly, same men NEVER put these women in their "proper" place, nor make any suggestion that they're doing something wrong. I'm for real, check ALL of the threads!

Conclusion: Said people state a doctrine with little evidence to support it, while committing a sin that has absolute scriptural backing that proves it..... hypocrisy.

Now explain to me WHY I should believe a doctrine stated by people that doesn't even practice it on this site? :confused:
 
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Reality check. My husband has Alzheimer's we are in financial difficulty because he failed to make good decisions so am I to continue to let him make financial decisions?
 
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