Woman position ( 1 Corinthians 14:34-37)

[MarcR]

As I understand the restriction in role, it only applies to preaching, teaching men (doctrine), or Church governance.

All other leadership roles would be open to her.

n 1Tim chapters 2 and 3, Titus Chapter1, and 1Cor 14:34; Paul teaches that women should be excluded from preaching teaching and governing roles in the church.

Since these are the only three occurrences of this teaching; it seems legitimate to question whether Paul was addressing a local problem which was common to Crete, Corinth, and Ephesus; or if he were teaching a general principle.

I do not see Scriptural or historical evidence that Paul was addressing a local issue.


I believe in the Scriptural premise that God prefers male leadership in the pastorate, the pulpit, and the church governing board.

It is evident that this does NOT mean that God can't use a woman in these roles; because He in fact does.

It is evident that there are women in the pastorate whose church members show clear evidence of salvation and Spiritual growth under her leadership.

This, IMO, does NOT negate the principle; however, if God is not pleased with them acting in their roles; it is His responsibility, not mine, to call it to their attention----and He is certainly able to do so.

You do know the original meaning for a Deacon is a person who is ordained to be a minister.

It was changed from that over time to what we see now in holding other roles in the church, but the original meaning and its usage for Phoebe in the bible was the original ordained minister role.

Those passages in 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians have nothing to do with the ministering role, it has to deal with the congregation itself and not for anybody to be unruly and speak out during service to interrupt it. Titus 1 has nothing to do with women being a minister at all.

God is not going to make a command and then go against it, as the bible clearly says He can not deny Himself!

Do you know that the meaning of minister is servant?

The original service of the deacons wis provision for needy widows and orphans.

Acts 6:1-5
6 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
KJV

 

[atwhatcost]

@ Atwhatcost...SNAFU'D up the wazoo ...hahaha so cute...Your description sounds as it should be in the home....you are good at many things and your husband agrees with you to be administrator of those duties...You two sound like oxen equally pulling the yoke of lifes experiences together....YET you willingly acknowledge he is the head of the Partnership...You ASK his permission to spend money on extra things for example so you don't bring hardship upon the both of you by just doing so "cuz you wanna and he will have to deal with it"....You are a great role model in these aspects.....I have a friend who him and his wife are both Christian...He buys her a nice Toyota Landcruiser all loaded and a few months later she is complaining...Ugh I had a chevy Tahoe once and it was just my favorite vehicle ...He is like...What's wrong with the Landcruiser? But she kept at it...He has enough hearing it so he sells The nicer newer Landcruiser and buys an older higher mileage Tahoe just so she will be quiet about the whole thing(notice the emotionally led decision posed against the logical one)....Never mind the decision for the Landcruiser because of a better Rep, less maintenance, lower mileage and will be better in the long run. He comes over to my house and 10 mins later she is calling, how long you gonna be, oh ok, its just ugh I got laundry and I got to get the baby to sleep soon and I gotta do the dishes and I I I I I.....and I hear him going yeah yeah yeah ok ok....I ask him afterward......if she cant live 10 mins without you how do you get work done on your job? He kind of rolls his eyes and says...wellll she texts me pretty often while Im working too....I'm thinking seriously? Is that What married life is like? I see women making some big point to be firefighters, police officers, Military...thats all fine ....she can do what a man can do....except ......I don't care...I'm not impressed....What would impress me is women who take on the role of being keepers of the home without diminishing themselves for it....like my buddies wife...if she could do that.....without having to voice every little task as if she was complaining about it and cannot handle it.....that would be being a helper...Made for man as opposed to made for herself...I see too many women today thinking they were made for themselves and the man has to just deal with it....and when that attitude carries on into the last thing they should be doing, as if it is a quest to conquer....the last frontier ...TO BE PASTOR over the Church....just because they were told they cant and have to prove something......Again...just because a woman could...I don't care...because I'm not impressed by it. Not because of my own beliefs or am chauvenist...but Because God said so...I notice many women look around and ask where are the men of God....I would submit we're staying back with a ten foot pole from anyone who tries to resemble masculinity in action trying to be equal....but doing so by an emotionally led decision....Again thank you for your great example of what a home should be like

Well, since I agree with you, that really kills off you being a chauvinist. lol

I used to work full time, as did he, but even working was to help him. (If I worked, he didn't have to do overtime. Better yet, he didn't have a wife bored out of her mind from doing nothing but housework all week. lol) And we both worked at the household chores so we could take a Sabbath rest. And, on good weeks, we could get the chores done at night, so we could have fun doing something together on Saturday.

 

[Galahad]

IMO, we have a bunch of wimpy males(not men) in our society and won't carry out their responsibilities. We have a society of moms that have taken the roles of mom and dad. Because the males(not men)won't step up to the plate and be MEN.
And now we are far enough into it that these males, that had no MANLY influence are growing up and having more influence in our society.

True. Correct. More men today are acting feminine, effeminate. Differences between men and women are blurred. Gender neutral society.

 

[Utah]

True. Correct. More men today are acting feminine, effeminate. Differences between men and women are blurred. Gender neutral society.

I'm White and most of my friends are Black. I can tell you one thing, generally speaking, that effeminate nonsense isn't accepted in the Black community.

 

[bowharp]

True. Correct. More men today are acting feminine, effeminate. Differences between men and women are blurred. Gender neutral society.

I'm White and most of my friends are Black. I can tell you one thing, generally speaking, that effeminate nonsense isn't accepted in the Black community.

What defines a man isn't by his outward appearance, physical or status.

[SUP]" [/SUP]But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.” 1 Samuel 16:7

You can be skinny, fat, ulgy, good-looking, metrosexual, alpha-man, disable, dis-figured... but God looks inwardly.

This applies to women. God looks inwardly. At her character, not the position or role of a woman

 

[bowharp]

Blessed are the peacemakers,for they will be called children of God. Matthew 5:9


I know this is a heated topic for some. So can we please be more kind and compassionate to one another. Let our words bring healing and encouragement to one another, not strife. Thank you

 

[Elin]

True. Correct. More men today are acting feminine, effeminate. Differences between men and women are blurred.
Gender neutral society.

Is anything more preposterous, contrary to nature and to plain common sense that "gender neutrality"?

How blind do you have to be not to see the beautiful differences between men and women, created to be different and complementary.

Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot with this "gender neutrality" ignorance and nonsense. . .robbing ourselves of one of the most beautiful aspects of God's creation, mirroring his own person.

 

[Elin]

What defines a man isn't by his outward appearance, physical or status.

[SUP]" [/SUP]But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.” 1 Samuel 16:7

You can be skinny, fat, ulgy, good-looking, metrosexual, alpha-man, disable, dis-figured... but God looks inwardly.

This applies to women. God looks inwardly. At her character, not the position or role of a woman

Keeping in mind that her character is determined by her obedience to God's word written.

 

[Utah]

metrosexual

The word itself churns my stomach, let alone seeing "men" act it out.

 

[bowharp]

Keeping in mind that her character is determined by her obedience to God's word written.

Who are you to judge her character?

 

[KennethC]

Do you know that the meaning of minister is servant?

The original service of the deacons wis provision for needy widows and orphans.

Acts 6:1-5
6 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
KJV

OMG !!!

Every person no matter what position they hold in the body of Christ is a servant...................

 

[oldhermit]

Who are you to judge her character?

Where in Elin's post does it suggest she is judging anyone's character? What she stated is a simple biblical fact that applies to all.

 

[Elin]

Who are you to judge her character?

Are you denying the word of God written on the matter?

 

[bowharp]

Are you denying the word of God written on the matter?

What word particular? Marriage? Because if we are talking about anything to do with the context of marriage. I have to say this respectful and friendly. It's no one's business, except God and my future husband.

Marriage is sacred covenant.

I'm not going to talk about my marriage like it's some sort of gossip or entertainment value.

We can talk about obedience till the cows come home. Remember, obedience takes two people to agree.

 

[bowharp]

Where in Elin's post does it suggest she is judging anyone's character? What she stated is a simple biblical fact that applies to all.

sorry, the word, "judge" was a strong word.

perusal.

anyway, the choice of front and size was awful.

Easily taken are "arguing". Apologies if this was taken that way.

 

[bowharp]

Isn't great we don't have to follow legalistic laws to be saved in Jesus?

Oh Happy day!!!
[video=youtube;YBJ-IraQUS4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBJ-IraQUS4[/video]

 

[Elin]

Keeping in mind that
her character is determined by her obedience to God's word written.

Are you denying the word of God written on the matter?

What word particular?

"Without holiness no one will see the Lord."

 

[bowharp]

In some ways, I feel sorry for men in todays society. So much confusion.

If you look at some of the television ad (which I avoid/and hate), you see man making fun of, being in competent, or just plain silly.

Also, I don't feel there is a strong role model for young christian man to follow or mentor who are physically alive in today's society.

No wonder, young men turn to gangs, they are looking for comradery and brotherhood.

Where art thou brotherhood of men?

 

[Elin]

Isn't great we don't have to follow legalistic laws to be saved in Jesus?

Oh Happy day!!!

Agreed. . .we are not saved by obedience,
but also remembering that obedience is the evidence that one has been saved,
and the omission of obedience as a way of life shows that one has not been saved.

We can't get away from obedience in the Christian life.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Isn't great we don't have to follow legalistic laws to be saved in Jesus?



You are a foolish girl who errs in not knowing the distinction between legalism and the precepts of God which we are instructed to obey....THIS IS WORSHIP, not happy sing songs. You would do well to learn to READ your bible and conform your opinions to what the scripture says.