What is Christ going to steal when He comes as a thief?

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This means that you don't know when he's coming
 

Magenta

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Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
The garments we are to wear are those provided through the righteousness of Christ, and walking after His way: fulfilling the great commandment, in loving God above all, and our neighbour as ourselves. All other garments, those of self righteousness, are as filthy rags and will be stripped away and thrown into the all consuming fire.
 
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But Jesus is still called a "thief" in that passage, though (Otherwise it would not make any sense). Yes, Jesus is not a thief in the traditional sense as we understand a "thief." That is what the passage is saying. For a traditional thief comes to steal your stuff, and kill you and to destroy your life. Jesus comes to steal people's hearts. Jesus comes to set the captives free and give them a new life. A life where they are not enslaved to sin but a slave to righteousness.

Jesus is saying watch and be ready. How can you be ready? Is it just believing harder that Jesus is your Savior while you continue in sin? No. Being ready means be faithful to Jesus in how you live according to His Word (By allowing Jesus to do the good work in you).

So when Jesus will come like a thief in the night, he is going to remove the faithful believer from the unfaithful believer. He is going to steal away the fellowship that the unfaithful believer had with the faithful believer. The faithful believer is going to be stolen away from them; And the unfaithful believer will be left behind (without their faithful brothers and sisters). Why? Because they were not ready. They did not have enough oil in their lamps.
I think there is more to it as "garments" are something very personal.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

And this should shed some light on the subject of "garments": Matthew 9:16-17,

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
 
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The Lord cannot sin. But He will steal the garments, "Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." Obviously, these are not literal garments. And I am not suggesting that He will steal physical things as these are of no interest to Him.
The garments will be taken from those who are not watching. Swiped from them. They were not watching. Just AS a thief swipes jewelry from the jeweler. But that's it. The Lord takes away or arrives only AS a they thief, His motive is not that of a thief.

His is a righteous judgment, a punishment upon those who do not obey.

You ever sneak about to loudly "Boo!" someone in your house? You approached AS a thief, but your motive or intent was not AS that of a thief. The thief has no business to be in your house. The thief has no right to your property.

God is the Judge. He determines the punishment. He knows the date of the sentencing. Only He knows.

I will tell you this, you'd better be glad the Lord only arrives AS a thief, for if the Lord was A thief, we'd all be doomed.
Thieves don't care about any in the house. The Lord loves all. And those who are His are saved from wrath, from judgment.
 

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I think there is more to it as "garments" are something very personal.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

And this should shed some light on the subject of "garments": Matthew 9:16-17,

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
I tend to think that Matthew 9:16-17 has to do with the institution of the Newer Covenant that Jesus ushered in.
 
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I think there is more to it as "garments" are something very personal.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

And this should shed some light on the subject of "garments": Matthew 9:16-17,

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
I believe Matthew 9:16-17 has a couple of meanings. One meaning I know of (for sure) is that it is saying that we are not supposed to mix both the Old and New Covenants in regards to the Law. Meaning, we do not go back to the Law of Moses when it comes to obeying the Commands of the LORD. We only obey the New Testament Commands. For we are under a New Covenant with new Commands. For the Scriptures say that the Law has changed (Hebrews 7:12). This happened when Christ died upon the cross and the temple veil was torn. Think of the veil. It was torn in two. A cloth that is not anymore useful to the New Covenant. For the New Covenant Law or Commands is called the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), there is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2), the royal law (James 2:8), the law of liberty (James 2:12), the law of faith (Romans 3:27). This is not the Law of Moses. For there is no way one can obey both the Old and the New. For we are to turn the other cheek instead of an eye for an eye. We can now eat unclean animals (Which is a violation of OT Law). We no longer have to offer an animal in sacrifice to God in a temple anymore because Jesus is our perfect sacrifice who takes away man's sin problem. We do not have to go to a priest anymore. For Jesus is our heavenly high priest. In fact, Jesus even said shortly before the cross that the Old was ready to vanish away (Hebrews 8:13).

As for the garments: This speaks of the righteousness of the saints.

Revelation 19:8
"And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

This plays beautifully with the Parable of the Wedding Banquet in Matthew 22. Those Gentile believers who did not have on a wedding garment (i.e. They did not live righteously) were bound hand and foot and cast into outer darkness. These are Gentile believers because the original group that slayed his servants were klled by the King whereby he was then forced to invite others in the highways, ect (i.e. the rest of the world, the Gentiles).

For Matthew 13:41 says that the Son of Man (Jesus) will send his angels to remove all those who do iniquity (sin) in His Kingdom. So those who proclaim a sin and still be saved doctrine and are living in sin, will be removed at the end of the Harvest (i.e. at the Judgment).
 
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But Jesus is still called a "thief" in that passage, though (Otherwise it would not make any sense). Yes, Jesus is not a thief in the traditional sense as we understand a "thief." That is what the passage is saying. For a traditional thief comes to steal your stuff, and kill you and to destroy your life. Jesus comes to steal people's hearts. Jesus comes to set the captives free and give them a new life. A life where they are not enslaved to sin but a slave to righteousness.

Jesus is saying watch and be ready. How can you be ready? Is it just believing harder that Jesus is your Savior while you continue in sin? No. Being ready means be faithful to Jesus in how you live according to His Word (By allowing Jesus to do the good work in you).

So when Jesus will come like a thief in the night, he is going to remove the faithful believer from the unfaithful believer. He is going to steal away the fellowship that the unfaithful believer had with the faithful believer. The faithful believer is going to be stolen away from them; And the unfaithful believer will be left behind (without their faithful brothers and sisters). Why? Because they were not ready. They did not have enough oil in their lamps.
Just a reminder. You are still on my ignore list (yes, I peeked, only to see if you were addressing me) so in the meantime don't expect any responses from me, except these type reminders. :)
 
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Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Another troll? Must be, because any sane person understands that passage.
Tell us, are you sane?
 
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Just a reminder. You are still on my ignore list (yes, I peeked, only to see if you were addressing me) so in the meantime don't expect any responses from me, except these type reminders. :)
LOL ROFL

Crossnote that is funny. I know you mean to be funny. Hilarious. I am going to come back later and read your post again to get a laugh.

I like Jason. I do. I just disagree with him. He removed himself from my friends list. He excommunicated himself from me.

I just scrolled up to read your post again. LOL.

Hey, I'll see if I can give you rep point. Do you want me to? I will. Just you wait and see.
 
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LOL ROFL

Crossnote that is funny. I know you mean to be funny. Hilarious. I am going to come back later and read your post again to get a laugh.

I like Jason. I do. I just disagree with him. He removed himself from my friends list. He excommunicated himself from me.

I just scrolled up to read your post again. LOL.

Hey, I'll see if I can give you rep point. Do you want me to? I will. Just you wait and see.
I gave you a rep point recently. When was that? I gave crossnote a rep point. Yep, I got spread them around. Sorry.

crossnote, see if you can give me a rep point.

I'll get you one later, though.
 

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I gave you a rep point recently. When was that? I gave crossnote a rep point. Yep, I got spread them around. Sorry.

crossnote, see if you can give me a rep point.

I'll get you one later, though.
When I come across one of yours I really like, that way you'll know you really earned it. (no greasy grace here LOL)
 
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Just a reminder. You are still on my ignore list (yes, I peeked, only to see if you were addressing me) so in the meantime don't expect any responses from me, except these type reminders.
It doesn't matter if you reply or not. I am replying so as to show others that what you are teaching is not Biblical in regards to Salvation. For we are to reprove and correct by God's Word; And we are to preach the Word.
 
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LOL ROFL

Crossnote that is funny. I know you mean to be funny. Hilarious. I am going to come back later and read your post again to get a laugh.

I like Jason. I do. I just disagree with him. He removed himself from my friends list. He excommunicated himself from me.

I just scrolled up to read your post again. LOL.

Hey, I'll see if I can give you rep point. Do you want me to? I will. Just you wait and see.
That's because you essentially called me Satan and you started to later insult me.
 
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When I come across one of yours I really like, that way you'll know you really earned it. (no greasy grace here LOL)
I agree. Crossnote, you are right. And your reply reminds me of something of great importance. I hope you don't mind me sharing this truth with you.

Should we try to earn points? I don't think so. If we do, we are seeking to please men. But we ought to seek to please God. That's what Paul expressed in Galatians 1.

Just think, if he had sought to please men, he would not have written all he did to the Galatians. "O' foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you."
"Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?"

One of the lessons learned is obvious. If we seek to please men and not God, our words, our actions have a short lifespan. We waste our opportunity to cause growth. Not just growth for the immediate audience, but growth for multiple generations to come.

(Crossnote, is that good? You reading this?) :eek:
 

Magenta

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To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks
That Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause.
 

crossnote

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I agree. Crossnote, you are right. And your reply reminds me of something of great importance. I hope you don't mind me sharing this truth with you.

Should we try to earn points? I don't think so. If we do, we are seeking to please men. But we ought to seek to please God. That's what Paul expressed in Galatians 1.

Just think, if he had sought to please men, he would not have written all he did to the Galatians. "O' foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you."
"Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?"

One of the lessons learned is obvious. If we seek to please men and not God, our words, our actions have a short lifespan. We waste our opportunity to cause growth. Not just growth for the immediate audience, but growth for multiple generations to come.

(Crossnote, is that good? You reading this?) :eek:
no, i don't think we should try to earn points or even seek points, but when I give out points it's not free free free, and it is only fair if given when the person has 'earned' them by the content not by their desire to 'get' them.
 

crossnote

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To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks
That Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. -Shakegenta
​LOLOLOLOLOL
 
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It is figurative....as in unexpected and when all things are taken into account it is unexpected because of the events that take place prior to his coming....Paul told the church at Thessalonica that the coming of Christ would not overtake them as a thief because they are of the day and can see the signs concerning the coming of Christ!
 
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That's because you essentially called me Satan and you started to later insult me.
No. I did not explicitly say you were Satan, nor did I intend to suggest you were. I do not recall calling you Satan.

Nevertheless, I apparently wrote something that gave you that impression. I should not have. I apologize. Jason, you are not Satan. Not at all. I appreciate very much your references to the bible. And you do take a lot of stuff and don't fire back.

Can I liken you to a flea? You know. A bit irritating with your responses. Nope. I won't. If I do, that makes me a dog. :eek:
 
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It is figurative....as in unexpected and when all things are taken into account it is unexpected because of the events that take place prior to his coming....Paul told the church at Thessalonica that the coming of Christ would not overtake them as a thief because they are of the day and can see the signs concerning the coming of Christ!
Yes. And so He can come as a thief, yet not overtake the saints as thief. That's the point. That's how He can be a thief in one sense and not in the full sense. So glad you brought that point out.